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catholic & scientology

Can some one explain how he was a Roman Catholic and a Scientologist? To me the two philosphies seem to directly conflict.--HistoricalPisces 18:23, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I think the deal was the he really practiced Scientology, but in public claimed to be Catholic because Scientology had a bad name back then (and still does in many quarters). This is only my own recollection, and certainly not enough basis by itself for me to change the article.--Realkyhick 07:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah; that's true. It has negative conotations with everyone except maybe my father.--HistoricalPisces 17:29, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

The Church claims that there is no conflict between Scientology and any other religion (a claim disputed, however, by many sources including former members.) -- Antaeus Feldspar 01:52, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Antaeus, that statement is ridiculous. The dogma (i.e. infallible doctrine) of the Catholic Church include that there is only one God, who is one being and three persons; that the human soul, being rational, is eternal in nature; that Jesus Christ, who, as matter of historical fact, was crucified, died, resurrected, and ascended into heaven, is the second person of the one being of God; that outside the Church there is no salvation (although people beyond its visible structures are related to it in various ways); suicide is a grave sin; there is no earthly reincarnation after death, etc. From what I've read and seen about Scientology, it contradicts both the dogma of Christianity and worldview of Christians; there are obvious conflicts between Scientology and other religions. -- Newagelink (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 6 July 2010 (UTC).
Scientology explicitly allows its followers to lie about being Scientologists, or otherwise conceal their affiliation. --144.140.53.38 01:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I think untill there is some proof the Scientology part should be taken off

heres a link to the page [1] --Johnny-Who? 00:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)--

Christy Bono?

Who is the mother of Christy Bono? She's Sonny Bono's daughter (see [2]) and a half-sister to Chastity Bono, but too old to be Mary Bono's daughter. Christy Bono is the owner of the Christy's and Bono's restaurants in Long Beach, California. BlankVerse 21:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It took me awhile. She's the daughter of his 1st wife, Donna Rankin, who isn't even mentioned in the article! [3] BlankVerse 22:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


Gold Team Conspiracy?

Aside from the mention here, I've found nothing else on the web relating to Bono being intentionally chased into a tree.

Yeah, I didn't have any luck, either. It sounds like the plot of a bad video game. I suggest we take it out. Any objections? Johnboy3434 07:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)Johnboy3434

I would second that. I tried to find more information about this "Gold Team," and was unsuccessful!Johnny-Who? 23:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

IPA

I'm not too skilled with IPA but the pronunciation guide to his name ought to be switched to it. --Leathlaobhair 00:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Scientology discussion found in Personal Life section

This comment was found in the Personal Life section: "He claimed to still be a Roman Catholic because being a Scientologist doesn't mean you can't be another religion. You really need to get this correct." I don't know how true this is; if this is factually correct then this can be rectified and integrated into the article -- Greaser 08:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act

The article mentions that Sonny Bono sponsered the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act , but the article on the act itself says that it was named for him after his passing. I don't quite know the proper way of describing Congressional actions, but what is here isn't quite accurate. Bono was one of 12 cosponsors to [H.R.2589 ] This bill was passed in the House and read in the Senate. A related bill in the Senate [S-505 ] was passed in both the House and Senate and was signed into law by Bill Clinton. Andrew.langmead 00:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I eventually decided to replace it with what I thought was the better wording. Andrew.langmead 03:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

godfather?

He was godfather to Anthony Kiedis? The Anthony Kiedis article makes no mention of it and they were in completely different parts of the country when Anthony Kiedis was born in 1962. Can anyone back this up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.64.252.113 (talk) 02:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

is it really neutral to say that Bono brought "plain spoken sensibility" to Congress? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.162.21 (talk) 17:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

High School Career

Sony's junior year photo (he would have been 15 or 16) is in the 1951 yearbook from Inglewood High School, Inglewood, California. Some sites suggest he dropped out before his 1952 senior graduation. --Robertkeller (talk) 22:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

"copyright activist"

The category "copyright activists" was added to Bono. He is clearly a significant legislator in the field of copyright, but that doesn't equal "copyright activist". "Activists" are people who do significant work outside of government: advocacy, direct action, organizing movements, and so on. If nobody has a different take, I'll remove this category. --Lquilter (talk) 21:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it's coming off, then. --Lquilter (talk) 06:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Sonny Bono/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Lots of info here, but needs citation and a better layout. Coemgenus 16:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 16:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 15:49, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

PSA

Can anyone find more reliable sources that this for the date or circumstances regarding his making this outstanding PSA? Bongomatic 05:11, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Edit war in "Death" section

In case all you responsible editors haven't figured it out yet there is something of an edit war going on in the "Death" section.

Disruptive IP 75.47.154.8 / 75.47.131.152 / 75.47.148.201

On 28 October, as an IP, (108.7.10.216) I noticed some really cruddy conspiracy-theory type stuff badly intermingled into an otherwise nice dry encyclopedic text. I removed it stating that it wasn't un-notable, but just that it is too much incendiary stuff for one weak ref and that it was badly integrated. Both points were reasonably disputable - calling at least for explanation if reverted.

The "Big Mute Bully On A Mission", that is, IP 75.47.154.8 (now 75.47.131.152) summarily reverted without comment. I reviewed 75.47.154.8's past behavior's and it was suspicious (see for yourself here:75.47.154.8's contributions)

On 1 Nov I re-removed the offensive text, and on 2 Nov, another very similar IP behaving very similarly summarily reverted again. This time with the edit comment "No" - no better than no edit comment at all. The new IP (75.47.131.152) also edited the talk page of the original IP (75.47.154.8) reverting my advice to him there, and misleadingly calling it "personal attacks". This, along with a review of their contribs, cemented the link between the two IP's firmly in my mind.

Note: At 03:02, 5 November 2010, the IP changed again, to 75.47.148.201. So the sequence of "sockpuppet" IP's for this guy is 75.47.154.8 / 75.47.131.152 / 75.47.148.201. The same "75.47.xx.xx" holds for all of them.

Continuing attempts to add conspiracy theory

On 5 November, even more conspiracy-like material was added (again badly) into the "Death" section. It was promptly, and wisely, removed by User:Jeff_G..


So there are two issues here:

1) IP 75.47.xx.xx (75.47.154.8... 75.47.131.152... 75.47.148.201) is being disruptive (I admit I stupidly helped him/her along with my advice on 75.47.154.8 talk page). This is a problem for this article, but mostly it is a problem for the neutrality of the politicians' pages which are the only pages ever edited by him/her. He/she should be investigated and should possibly be blocked (as ineffectual as that is for IP's).
Note: I've looked more closely, and 75.47's edits aren't usually so disruptive as they are mysterious and unexplained. The lack of edit comments on such multitude of minor edits on only politicians pages looks awfully suspicious though! No need to block!  :-). Aaabbbzzz34 (talk) 17:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
2) There are continued attempts to digress way off topic in an inexpert, incendiary, conspiracy-theory-promoting kind of way.

So there you have it. I will try to make a separate section for the murder accusations while toning it down a bit. It might keep the "Death" section cleaner, but I have a feeling that the new section with find itself with continuous additions of copious amounts of the same crapola.

Aaabbbzzz34 (talk) 05:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

No, your edits were reverted by Jeff G. [4] --75.47.134.217 (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Calling someone Big Mute Bully, is considered not assuming good faith, personal attacks, harassment and incivility. Please stop unless you want to get yourself blocked indefinitely for disruptive editing. Jeff G. and I disagreed on these issues and ClueBot NG stopped your removal of conspiracy theories. --75.47.134.217 (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
We have our own rights to remove comments at our own user talk page. --75.47.134.217 (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
You do not tell us what to do. It is considered gaming the system and you are disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point. --75.47.134.217 (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

I made the changes separating out the murder theory material into its own section. It is a much better structure. However, the same unencyclopedic conspiracy-theory material remains - badly supported.

Extraordinary incendiary claim - thin unreliable reference

The murder theory put forward by Ted Gunderson falls under the category of requiring much much more evidence. The material in the newly segregated "Disputed Circumstances of Death" section is extraordinary and is supported by only one reference. That reference (Gunderson) is unreliable.

Ted Gunderson is unreliable

A quick look at Gunderson's site www.tedgunderson.net should make it clear that here is the very definition of "Conspiracy Theorist".

1) Wikipedia requires reliable references. Gunderson clearly is not.
2) Wikipedia is not a forum for putting forth the myriad of marginal conspiracy entertainments. Call me "CIA" if it thrills you, but this stuff is not encyclopedic.


Given the past efforts to summarily revert the removal of this material, I seek commentary. If I see no (non-crazy) commentary against removal after a reasonable period, I will remove it.

Aaabbbzzz34 (talk) 16:56, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I cleaned up some of the language on his death to make this less "conspiratorial" sounding, but agree that the alternate theory needs MUCH more evidence in order to leave it in. DFS (talk) 00:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Sonny Bono Memorial Highway & Concourse

I have noticed that a section of I-10 in California is labeled as the Sonny Bono Memorial Highway. Should this be added somewhere to the article? Here are a few links:

I am sure there are many more that can provide documentation if needed. Refiner (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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High School

The Detroit Free Press says he went to Denby High School in Detroit,[5] but that seems unlikely if his family moved to LA when he was seven.[6] Kendall-K1 (talk) 01:16, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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