Talk:Tropical Storm Gamma (2005)/GA1

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Hi, I am going to review this article which is currently up for Good Article Nomination. I should have the full review finished in a few hours. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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Done. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Between November 13 and November 16 the system was designated Tropical Depression 27... Since it's a name, 27 should be Twenty-Seven

Done, in the lead and elsewhere. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You should mention it was briefly a tropical storm on November 15

Added. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Before Tropical Storm Gamma dissipated on November 22, its winds and rains also reached Belize, where they were less deadly. Reword

It now reads: Gamma's winds and rains also reached into Belize, where they were less deadly. The storm dissipated on November 22, having killed 39 people. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In its nine days Tropical Storm Gamma killed 39 people, 34 of them in Honduras. Gamma had two lives, so it's best not to give the number of days. Also, include the damage total.

Removed it - although I'm not sure what you mean by two lives. Operationally they thought that it was dissipating, but it didn't actually. I was counting its life as being from TD formation to final dissipation. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since the storm was quite significant, you should include impact in the lead.

Meteorological history

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Done. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A tropical wave moved off the coast of Africa on November 3. -> Tropical Storm Gamma originated out of a tropical wave that moved off the western coast of Africa on November 3.

Replace. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For a late-season tropical wave, the system kept an unusually high amount of convection as it trekked across the Atlantic Ocean. Seems useless to mention as many other late-season storms have been stronger than Gamma.

The wave was stronger than most, not the storm that came from it. The NHC thought it was worth mentioning several times. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The National Hurricane Center began to actively track the wave when it was located about 100 miles (160 km) off the coast of Barbados. add (NHC) after National Hurricane Center

Done. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...and by November 14 the system had formed Tropical Depression 27. 27 -> Twenty-Seven

Yep. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph needs more information on steering currents. You mention shear decreasing at the end of the paragraph, was it high before but convection was strong? Please expand.
A break in the shear enabled the storm to briefly reach tropical storm-status on November 15, but the hostile environment quickly returned and weakened the newly christened Gamma back into a tropical depression that same day. This needs to be expanded to clarify that it was not operationally classified a tropical storm. So it wasn't named Gamma at that time, it was still Twenty-Seven.

Just reading the TCR, one could easily believe that they made no mistakes operationally. They were very unclear about this, but I see that you are right. I've changed it. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A deeplayered subtropical high pressure ridge over the southwestern Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico propelled the system westward across the Caribbean Sea at more than 25 mph (40 km/h) and the storm's center was sheered away entirely. Sheared entirely of what?

I reworked the whole explanation: the storm's upper circulation was entirely separated from its deep convection and low level circulatory center. Plasticup ^T/C 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Soon after, the system slowed down on November 17. Need a reference. Also, why did it slow down?
A tropical wave, which had formed over Panama in early November and had produced rainfall in the region, merged into the waning remnants of Tropical Depression 27... What's the significance of the wave producing the rainfall? What does the merger of the wave and the remnants of Twenty-Seven mean? And again 27 -> Twenty-Seven
Why did the storm slow down? How did it intensify despite strong shear? Why did it track erratically? Why did it track southeast before dissipating?

Preparations

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There has to be some sort of preparations in the Lesser Antilles
Missing Florida, found several news articles about worries in the state.
There should be more information on preparations, such as evacuations, precautions taken by governments and local precautions.

Impact

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Surely there is more information for this section. The storm killed 39 people and worsened flooding caused by Beta. If you need help finding some more info, some of the sources in Hurricane Beta (2005) might have information for Gamma.
There should be much more information for Belize

Aftermath

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The section is lacking information. The aftermath section for Hurricane Beta should have information for Gamma also.

Overall the article is OK but it needs a lot of work before being promoted to GA. It doesn't meet quick-fail criteria but overall I don't think this article should have been put at GAN this early. As such, I'm putting the article On Hold for seven days to allow corrections to be made. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] this link should help out a lot for impact and aftermath in Central America. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- After a couple weeks with no updates on the main and talk pages, should this be failed? Thegreatdr (talk) 19:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm really not sure, Plasticup just suddenly stopped editing with no prior warning. I'm not sure if another editor wants to take over for him so I'll leave a note on the project talk page and give another week for someone else to take over. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sorry for abandoning this halfway through. I've had a sick cat and a new apartment on my plate. I'll be getting back shortly. Plasticup ^T/C 01:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - It's been 9 days since the reviewer's last comment to give another week, and 25 days since the last edit to improve the article by the submitter. Other older articles within the project are about to make the oldest articles on GAN list. I think Cyclonebiskit has been more than fair here. Thegreatdr (talk) 05:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- - - - I would take this over and help him out but it needs too much work and since i can not help out as im rather busy at the moment in RL i cant help.Jason Rees (talk) 18:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Then it seems logical that this article would be failed, and if the original submitter wished to make the changes required at some later time, it could be resubmitted for GA. Others of us have had to do this ourselves. Thegreatdr (talk) 04:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's been eight days since Plasticup said that he'd get back to the article "shortly", I would recommend simply failing the article. Once Plasticup returns, he can work on the issues on his own and renominate the article at WP:GAN on his own schedule. In the meantime, the other reviewers can get to work on other articles that are waiting for review. Dr. Cash (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay in my response, I've been out of town for the past few days. Per the above discussion, I am failing this article. Once the issues above have been resolved, the article can be renominated at GAN, cheers. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]