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Amygdala belongs to Limbic System[edit]

A few critisms for this template:
Firstly, most text would agree that the 4 lobes of the brain are frontal, parietal, temporal, occipital lobe.
Secondly, the limbic lobe (a term that is rarely used nowadays) might be better renamed the limbic system and be brought lower down the list together with the basal ganglia and insula which are also collections of deep cortical nuclei.
Thirdly, the most glaring error, the amygdala is not part of the basal ganglia and should be classified under the limbic system.
Lastly, the hippocampal formation is also part of the limbic system.
--129.78.64.106 03:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Information overload[edit]

I'm in favor of better organizing the brain articles. However, I think this template should get broken up into smaller navigation panels. There's just so much information that it looks cluttered. --TheLimbicOne(talk) 19:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick note about this criticism. There are several templates like this one that are currently created in Wikipedia. This one is about the telencephalon. Others are about the diencephalon, the brainstem, etc... The telencephalon is indeed a very complicated structure, the most of them all, so it is expected that any template about telencephalon will be crowded of information. Of course, this is not an argument against improving the template, but it puts things into perspective. Perhaps we could remove the Brodmann areas in order to space up the information, but I am not convinced.

About Limbic system[edit]

I thought we should abandon the limbic systmem altogether in this template. Henceforth, I made the necessary changes (eg. I put the parahippocampal gyrus into the temporal lobe). I have four arguments against inserting a limbic system here. First, the very idea of a (single) "limbic lobe" or "limbic system" is very controversial scientifically, and is mostly based on older views of the brain. Second, this template is about the telencephalon, while the "limbic lobe" is composed of multiple different brain areas, including many outside the telencephalon. Third, the limbic lobe/system is in fact better defined as a system, not as a well-defined anatomical region. In contrast, this template is about defining clear-cut anatomical regions, such as the frontal lobe, the temporal lobe. By adopting a "limbic system" section, one is forced to withdraw the orbitofrontal cortex from the frontal lobe, to remove the parahippocampal gyrus from the temporal lobe, etc, etc. This will create more confusion than anything. Fourth, the limbic system already has its own template, so that people who are interested in knowing more about the limbic system can refer to quick information easily: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Limbic_system .

Well, someone reintroduced the Limbic Lobe in the subsection, and now we have a full mess, with references to the medial temporal lobe at one place, and references to the subsections of the medial temporal lobe at another place. Worse, the changes were done such that readers are led to believe that perirhinal cortex and Brodmann's area 35 are two different things, or that entorhinal cortex and Brodmann's area 28 and 34 are two different things. Can't someone be a referee here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.85.5.20 (talk) 08:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Have you reviewed the classifications used in Terminologia Anatomica or NeuroNames, both of which specifically use limbic lobe in their hierarchies? Reviewing MEDMOS may also be beneficial in this discussion. --Arcadian (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
You are missing the main issue: as it currently stands, the template enumerates the medial temporal lobe and the parahippocampal gyrus of the limbic lobe as two different things, whereas it's one biological reality. Similarly, the template enumerates BA 25 in the frontal lobe and parts of the cingulate cortex of the limbic cortex as two different regions, but again it is one overlapping biological reality. Such dichotomy is not serious.
This confusion is introduced because the limbic cortex is listed as a separate section. Since this template has adopted a topological organization of the telencephal, it should abandon the the limbic cortex. Of course, this move does not preclude that Wikipedia provides thoroughful information about the limbic cortex in separate articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.85.5.20 (talk) 07:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)