User:Tim O'Doherty/sandbox/2
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We propose that English, Scottish, Irish and British monarchs from William II of England onwards[a] should always conform to the "[Name][Ordinal] of [Country]" or "[Name], [Queen/King] of [Country]" format, without exception.[b]
Statement by Tim O'Doherty[edit]
- 1. It should not matter if the shortened version, e.g. "Elizabeth I" is more commonly used. The article titles for UK monarchs are becoming inconsistent, a violation of the policy WP:CONSISTENT which states "
We strive to make titles on Wikipedia as consistent as possible with other titles on similar subjects.
" This means that if passed, all British monarch's pages should be moved to the aforementioned format, e.g. Elizabeth I → Elizabeth I of England
- 2. Far more monarchs use the aforementioned format rather than the "[Name] [Ordinal]" format: 27 do, with only 12 not and 2 using neither format, those being James VI and I and Queen Victoria.[c]
- 3. If moved, the old titles would become redirects (e.g. Elizabeth I would still redirect to Elizabeth I of England) so that the everyday Wikipedia user has the same ease of navigation between the articles.
- 4. The guideline WP:SOVEREIGN states "
kings, queens regnant and emperors and empresses regnant who are known as "first name + ordinal"...have article titles in the form "{Monarch's first name and ordinal} of {Country}".
" We propose to make this policy specifically for British monarchs.
- 5. If accepted, this policy should override WP:COMMONNAME on future RMs concerning such articles for the reasons mentioned above, and the fact that this is written specifically for British monarchs (and therefore have their pages in the best interest) whilst COMMONNAME does not.
- 6. Articles for monarchs that reigned from 1087 to 1707 should be titled "[Name] [Ordinal] of England". Articles for monarchs that reigned from 1707 to 1801 should be titled "[Name] [Ordinal] of Great Britain". Articles for monarchs that reign/ed from 1801 to the present day should be titled "[Name] [Ordinal] of the United Kingdom".
Statement by GoodDay[edit]
- 7. Elizabeth II & Charles III are most associated with the United Kingdom, they lived & live in that realm. Elizabeth II is buried in the UK, Charles III & his successors will most likely (in future) also be buried in the UK. Note - Because the UK is the primary resident realm? it has no governor-general.
List of "new" article titles if accepted[edit]
Key[edit]
Yellow highlight - Title remains the same
Blue highlight - Title changes
- William II of England
- Henry I of England
- Stephen, King of England
- Henry II of England
- Richard I of England
- John, King of England
- Henry III of England
- Edward I of England
- Edward II of England
- Edward III of England
- Richard II of England
- Henry IV of England
- Henry V of England
- Henry VI of England
- Edward IV of England
- Edward V of England
- Richard III of England
- Henry VII of England
- Henry VIII of England
- Edward VI of England
- Mary I of England
- Elizabeth I of England
- James VI and I
- Charles I of England
- Charles II of England
- James II of England
- Mary II of England
- William III of England
- Anne, Queen of Great Britain
- George I of Great Britain
- George II of Great Britain
- George III of the United Kingdom
- George IV of the United Kingdom
- William IV of the United Kingdom
- Victoria, Queen of the United Kingdom
- Edward VII of the United Kingdom
- George V of the United Kingdom
- Edward VIII of the United Kingdom
- George VI of the United Kingdom
- Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom
- Charles III of the United Kingdom
Notes[edit]
- ^ For a full list, click here and here: the monarchs that this proposal covers begin at William II and end at Charles III and his successors. This is with the intentional exclusion of William the Conqueror and disputed monarchs such as Empress Matilda and Lady Jane Grey. Other persons on the two lists that are excluded from this proposal are as follows: Louis VIII of France, Philip II of Spain, Oliver Cromwell and Richard Cromwell.
- ^ James VI and I would, however, remain as is until further discussion on his article's talk page.
- ^ If accepted, Queen Victoria should move to Victoria, Queen of the United Kingdom.