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Photos for Racz[edit]

Hi, Alf - I'd like to add a few more photos of Racz at work, one of the International Pain Center, and a couple of the innovative medical devices he invented, like the Racz Catheter. I reviewed Michael DeBakey's article, and saw that it was rated "B". I'd really like to get Racz up there with the Georgia Tech article [1]if that's possible. Thanks in advance. Atsme talk 02:27, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, sorry I haven't gotten around to looking at your draft yet. I think you should at least upload all the pix you want (assuming you hold the rights to them), and then figure out what ought to go in the article. I did notice on a brief glance that you don't seem to have a lead section. Maybe you can look over Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies and see if there's anything more you can do to make it conform to that (not that it especially doesn't, like I said I haven't looked at it super-closely yet; tomorrow I hope).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Working on gathering the photos now. There is definitely a lead. Perhaps I shouldn't have included his name in a header? Bad habit of titling my drafts. Atsme talk 12:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for supporting me as a new editor Drowninginlimbo (talk) 21:42, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Gee, thanks!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


Hiya! Congrats on the badge and the kitty....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by IBCPirates (talkcontribs) 00:28, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! And whose sockpuppet might you be, friend?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:30, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Bespoke, tailored for more than a suit[edit]

I've been looking up the history of the usage of the word bespoke and the information available in scientific and technical journals traces an interesting story that is not about a simple dictionary meaning. Its usage has increased in information technology, systems and financial instruments since the 1960s. The first users in the 1960s seem to have used the entire phrase 'bespoke tailoring' but 'tailor' was dropped and adjective 'bespoke' alone became more widely used. The article on Bespoke tailoring should be separate from any discussion on bespoke software, bespoke apps, bespoke contracts but these too exist and have increasing importance in the world of finance and technology. They have a history and perhaps more importantly a very important future. If we redirect the article Bespoke to Bespoke tailoring, the wikilink in articles like Custom software end up with a discussion on suits. That doesn't suit their intended usage. When bespoke is reinstated as a article on its own, from time to time I will be adding scholarly articles as references to illustrate how the usage of the word changed over time. It is wikipedia worthy. Oceanflynn 13 April 2014

I don't believe that it is. I think the other uses are merely uses of the word and don't meet the GNG. Maybe you should write an article on bespoke software if there are sources and then we can do a dab page. Until I see sources, though, I'm dubious. The word "bespoke" has meant "spec. of goods; ordered to be made, as distinguished from ready-made adj. and n.; also said of a tradesman who makes goods to order. Also n., a bespoke article." in English since 1755, so if someone says "bespoke software" they're just using an adjective to describe software. That doesn't preclude an article on "bespoke software" if there are sources, but it does preclude an article on "bespoke" itself per WP:DICTDEF. If all those software articles need a link for the word bespoke itself it should go to wiktionary.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:32, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Please stop removing these links. The term obviously needs a disam page, which I will give it later. Please don't be offended if I revert your removals by rollback for convenience. Johnbod (talk) 15:58, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Totally fine to use rollback. I didn't see any need to remove the links, but was trying to alleviate Oceanflynn's worries about links on software pages leading to the article on tailoring. I actually started writing a disambiguation page, but realized that I didn't know enough about the other uses to do it effectively. My concern is only that the article on tailoring, which clearly must be a separate article from ones on e.g. software, will once again get filled up with non-sequiturs about every possible use of the word.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Sigh!. Inevitable I suppose. Not sure anything can be done with the disam police. Johnbod (talk) 10:08, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm not surprised. It's why I don't write disambiguation pages. But you managed to accomplish the important thing, which is what matters in the end. It could have been quite a bit worse.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 13:19, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

A special thought for you....[edit]

Sunflower Icon Red Antique.png Thank you for helping me launch my first article. You've been the sunshine that makes the flowers grow. Atsme talk 16:36, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for defending me against the accusation of sockputting when I was unable to do so myself. I hope this qualifies as thanks Drowninginlimbo (talk) 12:26, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but listen, you really have to dial back your accusations against people. Just stick to editing the articles, commenting on the talk pages, and not the contributors. Your defense of yourself at ANI by attacking Shakehandsman just makes you look unstable. I don't know what lead to that RFC/U about him, but many of those are completely unfounded and should never be mentioned again. Before you throw that in his face now imagine how you're going to feel two years from now if someone throws this ANI thread in your face. It's not important to win every argument even when, maybe especially when, you're right. It's also never really a good idea to write so much at ANI. Anyway, you'll learn, I'm sure.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 14:22, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll keep all of those in mind, thank you. I'll leave the ANI and try to take things less personally. I probably reacted badly when they mentioned the articles, after the first banning I wanted to make sure they didn't take the accusation at base value. I think I understand the process a little better now though. Is it better to not reply or should I make a simple defense and leave it at that if a further one is made by a future editor? Drowninginlimbo (talk) 00:33, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
It wasn't a banning, it was just a block. Super-important distinction. I don't know if it's better not to reply or not, but it's almost always better to wait a little while to see how much of a reply is necessary. Anyway, the most important thing in this case is that you apologized to Shakehandsman, and quite graciously too. That's impressive, and was the right thing to do. I guess in general at ANI I'd tend to explain my point of view and then leave it alone until it becomes clear which way things are going. This depends on who's reporting you. If they're established editors their remarks are more likely to be taken seriously (and rightly so), so probably deserve a response fairly soon. If they're newly arrived SPAs like that redlinked whoever that showed up on whatever page that was, it may be better to ignore it all together. It's hard to say, but just always remember the person in front of the screen that your words are displayed on.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, I did and still do feel genuinely bad about what happened. The apology wasn't really related to the ANI. Thank you for the advice, I'm hoping that I don't have to go through another but if I ever do I will keep all of that in mind. You're right either way, it's better to stay calm over here, even when the topic you are discussing is yourself. I'm becoming instantly very aware of the manner in which my edits are recorded. When I first joined it felt like the edits were more only related to the articles in question but it feels like every edit has to be at least a little self conscious. I imagine it's something you soon get used to though Drowninginlimbo (talk) 02:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Maybe some people get used to it. It still makes me a little nervous. But I suppose that's good. It helps me remember to try to be kind, even if I don't always pull it off. You should try writing an article! There's nothing like it for gaining confidence and also getting a feeling for how other editors might feel about your work on pages they've put a lot of effort in.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 02:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm currently working on translating an article (or parts of one) but I would like to write an article at some point. Maybe I should try it soon Drowninginlimbo (talk) 03:17, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I need to create a template[edit]

Ok, I read WP:TEMPLATE, but don't want to screw this up, so will you help me get it started? I want to create a series on primitive fishes, so the template should probably be titled: Part of a series on Primitive Fishes. We need to be able to add relevant subheadings and links with the hide/show capability. There will be one header for Osteoglossiformes (bony tongues), and another for Coelacanth, and one for Endangered Fish Species, etc. I've got two other collaborators who can help with the categories (subheadings), but it was my suggestion to do the template, so I'd like to take the lead in setting up. What say ye? Atsme talk 21:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I just do it by copy/paste of other templates. If you find one that has the right structure, just hit the little "e" link on the template, it'll take you to the source code, copy and paste it into your sandbox, and then take out the content and replace it with your own. It's way easier than trying to write one from scratch.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:10, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Working on that now. Thank you. Atsme talk 21:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Some edits[edit]

Hi there. Would you mind having a look at the edits of user "GlobalNRG30". The edits are all recent. I reverted one made to the Kemper Project in Mississippi, but there are others made to articles about "prudence". The editor cites this source [2], but has copied entire paragraphs from that source word-for-word. I don't mind leaving a note for the editor, but just wanted a second opinion first. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

That's really weird. Who knows what they're up to. That's the kind of thing that WP:ANI is actually meant for: real-time weirdness that obviously needs administrator attention but it's not clear to anyone what kind of attention it needs. That article they created?! Anyway, you can see the kind of stuff I did and that's the kind of stuff you do, and don't be worried about dropping a note about this kind of thing at ANI, because there are people there who not only know a lot more about it than I do but have the power to do something about it. It's also important to drop warnings on new editors who act like this, because without them it can take longer for them to be blocked if they keep it up without talking.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:12, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes...weirdness! And most of this Prudent Investment#Basics for Assessing Rate of Return has been plagiarized from this [3]. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 23:17, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Too much. What are people thinking?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

One more thing...[edit]

I finally finished this project. If not for Wikipedia, they really would be lost. Some, like Bruinsburg, Mississippi, changed history. Just wanted to share. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

You've been doing fabulous work on those little towns. I really appreciate it. You should be very proud of yourself!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

thanks for your msg[edit]

I work for the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, and want/need/have been instructed by bosses to make its Wikipedia article better, more thorough, more representative of what museum is today...following Wikipedia guidelines and without getting PR-ish and promotional. Essentially, that means more information about current exhibits and the new emphasis on living nature. I appreciate the help. [1] Kafriedrich (talk) 21:37, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I figured probably you did. There are special rules for people who are editing on behalf of their employers. You haven't violated them or anything, and it's certainly OK for you to edit the article, but you should read up on them at WP:COI. The best thing to do is to make sure that you gauge the importance of material you want to put into the article by seeing how sources (books, articles) independent of the Museum judge its importance. That way you avoid the trap of making the article read like a tourist guide, which won't go over well here (not just with me but in general) and more like an encyclopedia article about the museum. You certainly have your work cut out for you, the article's woefully deficient.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:56, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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