User talk:Cliché Online/Archive 2

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Since this talk page was too large than recommended and full of passionating stuff, I've created the Archive 1. Cliché Online 16:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice people are welcome, others are not (incl. trolls)

I noticed nobody had welcomed me but boring guys, I mean nice people are still welcome to wish me the traditional "happy edit warm message", that I didn't had. ;) Cliché Online 16:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

AFD

Hey good job in nominating that article. I have voted for deletion.UberCryxic 03:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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• done stupid bot! the copyright info was avalaible anyway. Cliché Online 10:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

FR-Wikiteam

I've credited the team's work on Oshii's article and linked to your user page for infos, so you might create a short reference about our project. Cheers! ;) Paris By Night 10:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

eventually red your message, so here am I. why me kid ? ok, i shoud create a minisite. i'll figure it later. Cliché Online 10:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

French (euphemism)

I am adding back these references as they are the real books from which I got the entries - you might have read them but they are real nonetheless -sigh - !  :) Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) 15:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

You old cynic - try

I know. i'll try in the book.google.com when i get time. Cliché Online 21:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

References

• The Cassell Dictionary of Slang - ISBN: 0304351679
• How not to say what you mean - a dictionay of euphemisms - Holder. OUP ISBN 0-19-860402-5

With their links here :Try this and this

Good! I'm sure I'll find the "roastbeef" euphemism as well...................... Cliché Online 15:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

cinematography cleanup tag

Thanks for the recent edit - it looks much better to me. The issue I had with it mainly was excessive detail about Le Prince. Briefly noting his pioneering work is fine - spending a paragraph or more while also discussing his death and a supposed rivalry with Edison is excessive. I am well aware of Edison's deplorable habits in the early days of the industry, but I think it's dubious to give him much sway in the 1888-1890 period. As far as the country issues, I would like to see everyone mentioned and given their due, but perhaps omitting countries entirely is the best solution. Certainly a preponderance of names which happen to be French will make itself obvious. You have to also remember that practically everyone involved in the development of motion pictures - which didn't even reach standardization until 1909 - either stole from or mentored directly under other inventors.

I am leaving up the cleanup tag because despite the good faith efforts on your part, the section is horribly incomplete and has been since a long time before your edits. A history section needs to have a history beyond 1919, I think we can all agree! :) Girolamo Savonarola 18:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

i see, alright. i was able to remove the story of Le Prince from the cinematography article since i have extended his own article the last days. the old man deserved that well! :) Cliché Online 18:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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done! the rationale was on the summary not licensing section. Cliché Online 17:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

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done! moved rationale from Summary to Licensing. Cliché Online 18:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Napoleon

- Thanks for that Napoleon user box. It's better the one I use. Regards, ResurgamII 18:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Killzone

I see you hav done a lot of hard work on the killzone article. Do you own the game yourself? DARReN^TALK 18:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

yes but i play a game per year now... :) Cliché Online 13:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Chirac

Oh well. A simple mistake. I was thinking of the French term 'premier ministre'. Who is Villepin, admittedly. MadMaxDog 08:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

you scared me :) Cliché Online 08:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Why? Thought he had changed jobs? MadMaxDog 09:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

no, rather that you didn't knew who he was actually. btw the old man is finishing his course. he will be replaced in may 2007. Cliché Online 09:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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WTF ?? :) Cliché Online 08:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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sharing archives newsreels for wiki

i don't know where to put this so i publish it here for the moment. please note the date indicates the news broadcasting not its shooting. (01/01/year indicates somewhere in 1945)

• Guerre d'indochine 1945: la lutte anti-japonaise

indochina war of 1945: the anti-japanese struggle is the title used for this material in the National Audiovisual Institute site www.ina.fr

• EN INDOCHINE,LECLERC " EST PARTOUT" (07/12/1945)
• TROUPES FRANCAISES POUR L'INDOCHINE (02/11/1945)
• LE GENERAL SABATIER A LAMBES (06/07/1945) >> french fight japanese since three months = april 1945
• A SAIGON (01/01/1945)
• REVUE DE LA BRIGADE D'EXTREME ORIENT (23/03/1945) "new french army" troops review in the colony of Madagascar before their departure to french indochina against the japanese.
• LE CORPS EXPEDITIONNAIRE D'EXTREME ORIENT S'ORGANISE (23/03/1945)
• VERS L'INDOCHINE (23/03/1945)
• LES ALLIES A SAIGON ET A JAVA (01/01/1945) french in saigon, british in java

Cliché Online 03:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Indochina combatants

I will get back with a complete answer later, but in the meantime I would like to note one thing. Just because Moroccans, Tunisiens and Sengelese soldiers fought in the Indochina war doesn't mean that there states fought in it, more so when there states didn't even existed at the time. For an example several swedes fought with both the axis and the allies during World War II, but I don't think puting Sweden in either category would be corrected because Sweden didn't join the war. I agree the current version needs some changes, but the previous version was inaccurate and bad. Carl Logan 17:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I get what you mean but there si a large difference between the French protectorates and Sweden. As far as I know Sweden is a neutral state while the protectorates were fully part of the French Union (which was modelled after the British Commonweath). You have to consider Morroco and Tunisia etc just like Canada, Australia and New Zealand in the european front during WWII. There were only a few colonial battalions but their homeland were at war. It was the same here. The current article is incomplete and reads like a novel told from a Viet Minh veteran or something. That's the way I felt it. I found really strange sentences. Reading French veterans memories in association websites and watching French and US newsreels shows a totally different story. The Viet Minh supporters see these events as an independence conflit with revolutionary army fighting the colons (the communist aspect is minimized), in the other hand the French and Americans speak about "Reds", "rebels", "communists", "Free World" and insist in the cold war aspect. I can't figure why the US support which is known since it was declassified in the 2000s is still a taboo in the USA. However the article's French version needs also a lot of improvements too. This war is not taught in French school yet and remains a kind of taboo because it was the end of the Empire. Talk to you later (I'm gonna publish US -public domain- newsreels I found recently). Cliché Online 17:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you that article most be rewritten, but I would argue that Morocco, Tunisia etc isn’t like for example Australia because they had an armed force separate from the U.K.

The Moroccan units were a part of the French Army with French officers (or so I understand it), it was more like the sepoy units of previous centuries than Australia during World War I. The State of Vietnam on the other hand had an armed forces (and quite large one at 150,000 men at the end of the war).Carl Logan 18:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll figure about this point later. I'm into archives now. Here are the american newsreels videos (public domain) I was talking about, have a look at it, they reveal much about the US perception of the Indochina War in this era and how much French-US relationships have changed since 2002 (which was actually the French answer to the forgotten US positions on suez in 1956).

• January 1947
• May 1952
• December 1953
• May 1954

Cliché Online 15:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)