User talk:Courcelles

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On vacation 20 through 28 Feb. Internet will be available, but limited. Courcelles (talk)

Hello[edit]

Hi Courcelles. I was having trouble sleeping (thinking about a different wiki matter), and noticed you posting the PD on the inforbox review. I know we've interacted before this, perhaps even disagreed - but I've always thought highly of you. Now that the obligatory "sucking up" phase is covered, ... I wanted to catch you before you left on vacation (enjoy by the way).

First, I really do appreciate you taking point and keeping everyone up to date on the process; especially given that it is/was not a typical one. While I had hoped for a better PD, I was prepared for much worse. My guess is that you spent a great deal of time actually reading the evidence, and even clicking through the links - and I really appreciate that. The other Arb tasked with drafting is Salvio, and although I have a huge amount of respect for him, I've seen that he has strong feelings on the matter; so I'm interested in what his PD will be.

I honestly do appreciate you (offering to) give Andy more leeway, and I think he's earned it. And I do understand that it would be tough to just "vacate" a previous arb decision. (that sentence isnt quite right .. but meh).

The bottom line here is that I wanted to say thank you for your work on this. Enjoy your vacation. — Ched :  ?  10:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I strongly suspect other arbs will add other things to the PD; I fully suspect both a stronger topic-ban for Andy is going to be among them. As to vacating the sanctions, I think the proposed 1.1 is as close to it as had a snowball's chance; and 4 would even mitigate that. (I've got plenty of other comments to reply to, but I really need to get off the computer and go drive for a few hours.) Courcelles (talk) 14:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thank you ... be safe. Talk to you when you get back. 18:12, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I see Yunshui has added a lifting of the sanctions all-together, and Salvio has added a full topic ban. Not surprised by either action, and I've already opposed Salvio's proposal. I don't think either has a chance -- I was trying to write things I had a chance in hell. Courcelles (talk) 21:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
  • OH WAIT One complaint ... you really should have worked in the evidence of Andy's contributions in regards to the project as a whole. FoF, ... whatever, it deserves to be stated. I will go to the mat on that one sir. "Just do it", "Get it done" ... it absolutely deserves to be stated by the "high powers that be". Andy has more than earned that recognition. These things live on for years, and it deserves to be stated, it needs to be stated. — Ched :  ?  10:47, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
  • At this point, can you ask NativeForeigner or Salvio and see if they are willing add this? We don't normally do "valuned contributor" FoF's, because in multiple party cases, singling out one editor as a "valued contributor" is sort of a back-handed slap that the other parties are not valued contributors. In this case, it would not do that, being as there only one party listed., but I'm on highly rationed internet for a few days. (And for the record, (especally after reading all that evidence) I absolutely agree with the sentiment. He's not perfect, bno one is, but he tries his hardest to make us a better project.) Courcelles is travelling (talk) 13:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done and thank you. — Ched :  ?  19:39, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Update Regretfully NativeForeigner declined your request of professional courtesy in proposing this FoF. Salvio has not been available (and hopefully is doing well). I was tempted to post to the PD talk page, but considering that it speaks for itself as far as where the true disruption comes from, I've resisted posting there. I'm also not sure how much the other Arbs read of that talk page, the evidence, and links; or if other Arbs would be allowed by procedure to offer the FoF. If by any chance the review is still open when you return, I'm willing to offer precedent for such a finding. (hang on ...) — Ched :  ?  05:16, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
examples:
  1. "9) GainLine (talk · contribs) is commended for desisting from early problematic behaviours and encouraged to pursue appropriate dispute resolution methods, and seek administrator intervention when required. (Passed 6 to 0 with 2 abstentions)" [1]
  2. "3) Kelly Martin is thanked for her long and honorable service. (Passed 4-0)" [2]
  3. "10.1) ... Jayjg is also thanked for his years of service. (Passed 10 to 3)" [3]
That was just a very quick look through the Arbcom archives, I can find more if it would be helpful. Note No need to use your limited data to respond now. Enjoy the rest of your vacation, be safe, and perhaps we can discuss it a bit further when you return. — Ched :  ?  05:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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