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Hi, Vanjagenije. I saw you have tagged my page "List of Welcomers" for deletion. Please don't. My friends need this page. It's a very important page for a community we created and without the page, we won't be able to tell who is who and who is a member of the community.


Hi! Unfortunately, your page was deleted. You have to understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not an address book. Your article had no encyclopedic value, so it was deleted. It just contained list of names, nothing else. You can learn more about what is Wikipedia here: Wikipedia:About. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy Delete of Best Buy Express[edit]

Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

Franziska Knuppe[edit]

Hi Vanjagenije! I don't think Franziska Knuppe should be deleted. It's a stub indeed and could need some additional refs without any doubt. Dunno what's with that "created by blocked user", my block was only temporary (for ridiculous reasons) and it wasn't in place when I created the page. Feel free to help improve the article and add refs/sources, it's a wiki. Thank you! All the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 21:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I proposed that page for deletion by mistake, and I reverted that edit one minute later [1]. I am using automated wp:Page Curation process, so the message was left on your talk page automatically. It is just a mistake. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for clarification then. :) Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 09:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)



Dear Vanja, I have one important question for you. Could you, please, look up on certain pages like than sport chapter on,_Serbia and because, those pages are in the last few weeks, often targeted by vandals. Especially vandals with those IP addresses and I don't know why they keep vandalising fk Hajduk Kula pages, but it is obvious that editors and admins have to react. There is a similar problem on serbian wiki redaction, also with fk Hajduk Kula page , and serbian admins decided to disable anonymous users to change content for a month. If we look up on history pages and see often content changes and erasing references, it is clear that admins and editors on english Wiki, have to rise up some sanctions.

Best wishes(Ajdukovac (talk) 02:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC))

Hi! I really don't have time right now to investigate this case. But, if you are sure that those are cases of vandalism, you should use WP:REQPROTECT and ask for semi-protection of the article. Semi-protected article cannot be edited by anonymous users. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The Architect's Essence[edit]

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that my book The Architect's Essence is not yet published but will be available for the kindle later this year. Quercus2651 (talk) 12:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

The article "The Architect's Essence" is nominated for deletion because of the lack of notability. The discussion is open here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Architect's Essence. You are free to join the discussion. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Vera Bartsch[edit]

Hi Vanjagenije, thank you for your recommendations and critiques of the page that I've created. I recognize the obstacles that you've pointed out, and I know that they're pretty significant. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find more relevant, reputably published content about the subject. Since the subject is a model and those links directed to published examples of her work, I thought that they would count as independent sources. (Though they were photos from magazine editorials, each did give her credit for posing for them, which I thought counted as verification of her experience in publication.) Thanks again for your input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karenwriter (talkcontribs) 23:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Chess Olympiad[edit]

Yes, you are right, I missed the fact that unofficial titles were not counted. Thanks for correcting me. FkpCascais (talk) 17:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

The Ethiope People[edit]

I just wanted to let you know that OBOBO URHOBO has removed the PROD tag on The Ethiope People. Per the proposed deletion rules, I don't believe that you can recreate the tag. However, you can tag it with CSD if it was created in violation of a ban (I do not know the circumstances of this alleged sockpuppet), or nominate it for deletion. Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 18:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the information. Maybe the best way is wait for him to be blocked, and then to nominate the article for speedy deletion under WP:G5 criteria. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Possible new sock? New user Goldblog created Ossissa, for which the "Notable people" includes an "Egbunu Mogbue". The Ethiope article tried to list "Egbunu Samuel Akporaro", so maybe he's trying for a little more subtlety this time around--I've been doing periodic searches on "Akporaro" looking for new sock sightings, but I happened upon this other article on a more general new page patrol. Maybe not obvious enough to report immediately, but worth keeping an eye on. --Finngall talk 17:02, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi! You've done a very good work here. I agree with you. The Ossissa article looks very similar in layout to the now-deleted The Ethiope People article. Obviously, "Egbunu Mogbue" is non-notable person, Google Search returns no hits [2]. I think I will report this user to the sockpuppet investigation. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Re:Proposed deletion of Lilamani Paudel[edit]

Hello, Vanjagenije. I have added a reference from the government of Nepal website to the above newly created page. Obvioulsy, needs more content which I'll be adding when I have further references.

Thanks, Sudip2118 (talk) 04:40, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

RE:Child Labor Amendment ratification map[edit]

The states of Connecticut, Delaware and South Dakota should be colored in pink on the Child Labor Amendment ratification map, as the legislatures of those states rejected the amendment as well. Drdpw (talk) 18:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi! I just followed the text in the article. Those three states' rejection is not mentioned in the article. Do you have any reliable sources which claims that those states rejected the amendment? Vanjagenije (talk) 19:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, and the article has been updated & reliable citation given. Drdpw (talk) 20:44, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg I added those states to the map. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:56, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for creating this, I hope you can get round to the other three unratified amendments currently missing a ratification map.Graham1973 (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Maybe I will make maps for other three when I have more time. Child Labor Amendment was most interesting, because most states ratified it. Other three were ratified by much fewer states. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Regarding maps for the 3 earlier unratified amendments, I'm not sure that they're needed or would be worthwhile. Only 3 states ratified the long dormant Corwin Amendment, and of those 3, 2 have rescinded their ratification and the 3rd ratification is of questionable validity. Likewise, the Nobility and Apportionment amendments are long dormant and have only been ratified by a relatively few number of states. I know that when I fist saw the map on the D.C. Vote amendment page my reaction was along the lines of "so few states ratified this; so much gray space; what's the point of having a map for this? (except to show how few states ratified it)". Drdpw (talk) 20:44, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Iraqi Kurdistan[edit]

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Speedy deletion declined: Boris Final Effects Complete[edit]

Hello Vanjagenije. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Boris Final Effects Complete, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: No reason given. Thank you. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 05:40, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Ugh, sorry about this... replace no reason given with "A7 does not apply to software". I've PRODed it though. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 19:21, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "List of M.2 SSDs"[edit]

I realize the page I created currently lacks information, it's something I'm working on adding, as well as Adding a paragraph of information. There is currently a major need for a central place to look up M.2 SSDs. Try doing a google search for them and you will realize just how little information there is, even for currently available drives. This page is meant to benefit everyone, and I was hoping I could get others to contribute to it instead of rushing to get rid of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DracoDan82 (talkcontribs) 00:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I appreciate your desire to write a useful article, but Wikipedia has some rules that must be obeyed. Your article, "List of M.2 SSDs" is proposed for speedy deletion (by me) under WP:A1 criteria, because it lacks context to understand what the article is about. The article was deleted from the main namespaces by User:DragonflySixtyseven (administrator), but it was moved to your user space, so it is located here: User:DracoDan82/List of M.2 SSDs. You have to understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and its articles should be understandable to anybody. The article you've written lacks context, so it is very hard for average reader to understand what the article is about. For example, I have no idea what "M.2 SSD" is. I see you posted the identical article to the Articles for creation project (here: Draft:List of M.2 SSDs). The reviewer declined your submission and told you the same thing I did: Article lacks context. After that, instead of improving article, you posted identical article to the main namespace. That is not very good thing to do. Reviewers at WP:AFC are experienced editors, and if they decline your submission, it really means that the article is not ready to be published. You are free to continue to work on the article (better on the "Draft:List of M.2 SSDs" then on the "User:DracoDan82/List of M.2 SSDs"), and you should wait for the reviewers to accept your submission before moving it to the main namespace. Feel free to ask me for any kind of help that you need. And, please, sign all your posts on the talk pages. See here how to sign: WP: SIGN. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
So, I'm totally new to creating wiki pages, that was my first attempt. Even though I tried to submit the page to Articles for creation but I thought I had messed up the submission. I wasn't trying to game the system in any way. In fact, if you look at the post times I believe I posted the article under the normal namespace prior to the response on Articles for creation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DracoDan82 (talkcontribs) 22:42, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
OK, you shouldn't feel guilty at all. It is normal for new user to make mistakes in good faith, it happened to everybody. Wikipedia works differently from other sites, so it needs time to understand its policies and guidelines. But, it's fun! You now have two identical articles. If you want, you can request one of them (presumably User:DracoDan82/List of M.2 SSDs) be deleted by posting {{Db-userreq}} at the top of the article code. After that, it will be deleted by an administrator. I left you links to some interesting Wikipedia pages at your talk page, in the "Welcome" section. You should read those carefully in order to understand Wikipedia's ways. I'm not an expert in computer cards, actually I don't know what M.2 SSDs are at all, but I see User:Dsimic left a message on your talk page. You can discuss this topic with him, as he seams to be interested in that area. I hope You'll enjoy editing Wikipedia. Just remember to sign your posts (WP:SIGN)! Vanjagenije (talk) 22:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello there! Sure thing, making small mistakes is a part of the learning process – we've all made mistakes in the past, and we'll make them again for sure. :) By the way, Vanjagenije, please have a look at User talk:Dsimic § Re: List of M.2 SSDs as a section in the M.2 article – would you be willing to evaluate and discuss the deletion of "list-of-XYZ" articles mentioned there, please, and possibly nominate them for deletion? I'd appreciate your help with that. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:32, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

File upload[edit]

Hi Vanjagenij, could you please help me to upload this file? thanks! --Preceding unsigned comment left by Fishinpku (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2014

Hi! I'm afraid you don't understand Wikipedia's policy regarding images. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia. That means that all Wikipedia's content (both text and images) should be free for everyone to use it for any purpose. That means that images and text that are copyrighted may be uploaded to Wikipedia only if they are released under a free license. In other words, copyrighted material may be uploaded to Wikipedia only if the author (copyrights holder) explicitly agrees that everyone can use it for any purpose. The image you want to upload is taken from the Vote Smart web page. On their Copyright and Attribution page, they claim that "unless otherwise noted, content Copyright © 2010 Project Vote Smart". That means that Project Vote Smart is the copyright holder of the image, and we need their explicit permission to use the file under a free license in order to be able to upload it to Wikipedia (please, see WP:PERMISSION). Wikipedia does allow uploading copyrighted non-free images in rare cases, that is so called "fair use". But there are strict fair use criteria, and a photo of a living man surely does not fall into that criteria. So, the only way to upload that photo to Wikipedia is to obtain a permission of the copyrights holder to release the photo under free license. You can lear more about Wikipedi's copyright policies here: WP:CFAQ. Please, in the future, leave your posts on the bottom of a talk page (I found this one at the top), and sign all your posts. See here how to sign: WP:SIGN. Feel free to ask me for any kind of help. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:59, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for your explanations. I am new to wiki but I appreciate your help on this issue. fishinpku (talk) 08:18, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi in a case like this with a full bio and sources on es.wp it might be easier to copy across the main source rather than prod and notify page creator. Just a suggestion, that's all, cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: And The Jazz Prophets Vol. 1[edit]

Hello Vanjagenije. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of And The Jazz Prophets Vol. 1, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Each of the artists has an article. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. It was my mistake. Sorry. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:57, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Original Tamil numerals[edit]

even though the articles title resembles Tamil numerals,it is different in this article information about old Tamil numeral script is told which shall be expanded.i request you to rethink about the deletion of my article and wait for a few days.

Hi! I understand that your article is about old Tamil numerals, but there is really no need for separate article. You could insert those information in the "Tamil numerals" article. See, for example, the article on Roman numerals: it covers the whole history of the development of Roman numerals. Your article has another, bigger issue. It is totally unsourced. Every article in Wikipedia needs reliable, independent sources to establish verifability (See: WP:42), but your article has none. My advice to you is to try to find sources about old Tamil numerals, and to expand "Tamil numerals" article, there is no need for new article. And, in the future, sign your posts (see here: WP:SIGN). Feel free to ask me for any kind of help. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:16, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Howie Stange[edit]

Hello Vanjagenije, I asking asking that the Howie Stange page be allowed to be continued, as I am not completed with my first pass at this effort. Howie Stange was a very popular Rockabilly artist in the '50's and '60's and is in the Rockabilly Hall Of Fame. Additiionally, Howie wrote and sang what is arguably the most popular Rockabilly song of all time, Real Gone Daddy, with B side The Old Bomb Of Mine. Google search of Howie Stange reveals more than 16,000+ hits, making his music noteworthy. Thank you for your consideration.

Hi! I totally believe you that he is notable, but the article is empty at the moment and Wikipedia's WP:A3 policy is to delete empty articles. My advice to you is to create draft article (like Draft:Howie Stange). You can edit the draft as long as you want without the fear of it being deleted. When you feel the draft is ready, you can move it to the main namespace. The original (empty) article will be deleted in the meantime, but don't worry. It is much easier to use draft if you need more time to write the article. And, please, sign your posts in the future (see: WP:SIGN). Vanjagenije (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion[edit]This article should not be speedy deleted as having no substantive content, because... (your reason here) --Steve Stange 17:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I have recently send 3 photos for review and approval to the Howie Stange pageSteve Stange 17:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zt692 (talk • contribs)

Contested deletion[edit]This article should not be speedy deleted as having no substantive content, because... (your reason here) --Steve Stange 17:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

when can I continue to develop this page?Steve Stange 17:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zt692 (talk • contribs)Steve Stange 18:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zt692 (talkcontribs)

I moved your article here: Draft:Howie Stange. You can develop it as long as you wont. Drafts are not subject to wp:speedy deletion. When the article is ready, just wp:move it to the wp:main namespace (or ask me to do that). And, please, read here how to sign posts: WP:SIGN. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:19, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

thank you I will work from the draft page. did you include the 3 photographs?Steve Stange 18:34, 18 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zt692 (talkcontribs)

Hmm... Are you really the author of these photos (The original Valley Boys.jpg, Jim Flaherty's Western Caravan.jpg, Howie Stange at piano)? On all three file pages you wrote that you are author of the photo. Is it right? Because, if you are not the author, then you are making a copyright infringement. Wikipedia has strict rules about copyrights, and does not allow uploading copyrighted material except in some special cases. And please, read carefully how to sign posts (WP:SIGN). You are not signing properly. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Vanjagenije, it appears that I cannot figure out how to sign properly, please help! Howie Stange is my father and I am the Executor of his estate and his music. It all now resides in the public domain.Steve Stange 01:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zt692 (talkcontribs)

OK, if those photos are in your ownership, then there are no copyright issues. You may include those photos in the article. See here how to add photos to the article, it's very simple: Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. The easiest way to sign is just to type ~~~~ at the end of your posts and to click "save". Nothing else, very simple. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:01, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

BEIGE (Retailer) - request for speedy undeletion of speedy deletion[edit]

This page should not be speedily deleted because... JonathanFriedmanM (talk) 11:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

BEIGE (Retailer) is one of the last of its breed of retailer in the UK. As a niche UK retail category, "Independent plus size retailers" in the UK virtually disappeared during the 2007-2013 global financial recession.

Stepping back up the food chain, plus size brand manufacturer representation in Europe (Dusseldorf was once the global economic hub for plus size independents) is now tiny fraction of its economic former size. As a indicator of the changing shape of the market (pls excuse the pun) the global conference and exhibition for the sector (known as CPD) struggled on for years but finally succumbed to the downturn and closed in 2012. (in its heyday, CPD ran for decades, was attended by 20,000+ across 17 exhibition halls)

There were once 100+ retail outlets in this niche category in the UK. Now there are less than 10. There is no indication that the trend will reverse.

As a historical record of the UK retail "bricks" sector, I believe that we should retain some record that this retail category once existed.

I've been in the sector for 10 years...I'll keep going for maybe another 10 which time maybe the final 10 will go...and this UK niche sector will be history and the only factual record that it ever existed will be with Wiki....and that's what Wiki is for!

PS. I was planning to add a list of all the defunct (ie extinct) manufacturing brands that we used to carry...with a description of their design "signature" as last resting place for their existence.

Hi! First of all, I am not an administrator, so I can not undelete the article. I am just doing new pages patrol, and I proposed the article for deletion. But, it was deleted by User:Alexf (administrator), so he is the only one who can help you in undeleting the article. Try leaving a post at his talk page. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:02, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

regarding emineuweb[edit]

The content was not stolen from as we also happen to be the owner of the site We are starting up an organization and we need a wikipedia page. Could you explaine further what seems to be the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wickname (talkcontribs) 01:45, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! There are several problems. The article you posted (Emineuweb) was substantially copy-pasted from site At the bottom of that site there is a notification that says "EmiNeuWeb © Copyright 2014. All rights reserved". That means that the contents of that web site are copyrighted without a permission to use it for other purposes. Now, Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, and it only accepts free content. Wikipedia's content is free to be used by anybody for any purpose. That is why Wikipedia cannot host material that is non-free — that practice would be contrary to the basic principle of Wikipedia. You can learn more about Wikipedia's copyright policies here: WP:CFAQ. In short: Wikipedia only accepts material (text, images,...) that is either in the public domain or released under a free license. The content of your web page ( is obviously not released under free-license ("All rights reserved" is a non-free license). The fact that you are the copyright owner makes no difference. You cannot release the same content simultaneously under a non-free license at your web page and under a free license at Wikipedia. Content may have only one license, and it is already released under non-free license ("All rights reserved"), so it cannot be hosted at Wikipedia. Another problem is that Wikipedia has very strict rules about people writing articles about their own organization. In Wikipedia terms, that is called a WP:Conflict of interest. One of the main principles of Wikipedia is to be neutral, and it is almost impossible to be neutral when writing about your own organization. Please, read this guide to understand Wikipedia's rules on the Conflict of interest: WP:PLAINSIMPLECOI. In short, it is the best way not to write article about your organization, but to let somebody neutral do that. I hope I helped you to better understand the basic principles of Wikipedia. Feel free to ask me for any kind of help. And please, in the future, leave your posts at the bottom of talk pages, and sign your posts. See here how to sign: WP:SIGN. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:52, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Could you at least please remove the page entirely from wikipedie. Right now it says that it has been deleted.--Wickname (talk) 12:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

The page is deleted/removed from Wikipedia. The message is left that says that the page existed in the past, but was deleted. It is not possible to remove that message. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


So, Why Don't you answer my question?

Why is you delete my "List of songs recorded by..." pages, but there are other pages like that, List of songs recorded by Nirvana, List of songs recorded by Jay-Z...

Care to elaborate how you decide who is worthy of a "List of songs" article?

I don't see any question. I just see you called me a "fool". I am not deleting your articles, in fact I have no power to delete, only administrators can delete articles, and I am not the one. I just proposed discussion on those articles (that is called WP:AFD) because I think they should be deleted. If other editors do not agree with me, articles would not be deleted. You can join those discussions and post your reasons freely, just try to maintain civility. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Are you serious? You seriously don't see my question? Are you blind? Why are there other "List of songs" pages you haven't deleted? You only choose to delete.. Oh sorry.. PROPOSE deletion for my pages, that I've spent days creating?

I also don't care WHO is doing it, all I know is there are LOTS of other pages with the same "scope" but I don't see them being "proposed to be deleted".

If you don't care who is doing it, then stop insulting me. You just called me "blind". You were already blocked once for personal attacks against other editors, and believe me, next block will be much longer if you continue to behave like that. WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a valid argument against deletion. The fact that there are other similar articles does not mean that those articles cannot be deleted. And, please, try to learn how to sign your posts. See here: WP:SIGN. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:13, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Lol, okay well I dearly apologize if I've offended you, I didn't realize "blind" was offensive, and I guess I was out of line with the "fool" remark, but regardless I had no sentiment to offend you, I Just asked a very clear and reasonable question that has yet to be answered. Seriously if you could just answer this question, there would be no problem. You don't need to threaten me with your little bans, do you think this is my life? I'm just wondering why those other pages are acceptable I just hope you understand my frustration here. I'm only trying to help with these articles. I know loads of people will find them useful.

Well, some pages are acceptable, some are not. It all depends on the wp:Notability. For example, List of songs by Slipknot and List of songs by My Bloody Valentine were deleted, but List of Rihanna songs was kept. Every case is specific and must be dealt separately. And, please, sign your posts (wp:SIGN). Vanjagenije (talk) 00:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Wow, still fails to answer the question. Why is Rihanna legible, but not Tupac? How does the almighty wikipedia God make these decisions. So that I know in the future who is worthy

Your recent AFD nominations[edit]

I've been noticing quite a few from you recently, including ones I essentially support, but the series of "list of songs recorded by..." stood out. The fact that you listed several about a minute apart makes me concerned that you were nominating simply on the basis of it being a list of songs rather than making an individualized determination. Sometimes those are deleted at AFD (and I have little doubt this will be one of those), sometimes not; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Led Zeppelin, for example, or the featured list List of songs recorded by Rihanna (noting that not all of the entries are even notable). Just so long as you're not proceeding on autopilot here, and one should always take caution that if you're only using a hammer everything can look like a nail. Cheers, postdlf (talk) 23:56, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I might agree with you (partly). But, I want to ask you something. I just proposed those articles for a discussion. If there are arguments against deletion from other editors, then those articles would not be deleted. What is the point of you criticizing me just for proposing a discussion? I feel a grate pressure here, because every time I propose WP:AFD discussion for some article that eventually survives, I get criticized. It seams like I can propose AFD only if I am 100% sure that the article is going to be deleted. But, what is then a whole point of having discussion if we're gone propose only those articles that are 100% sure to be deleted? Vanjagenije (talk) 00:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
The "discussion" that takes place at AFD is very different than the discussion that takes place at other project pages, such as guideline or wikiproject talk pages. It's more formal, has the expectation (at WP:BEFORE) that the nominator has done some due diligence, requires participation from others, requires a closer after a certain time period, and then has certain binding effects. So it's seen as more coercive in a way, and certainly more aggressive than if you were to just start an open ended thread on a guideline talk page. Someone starts an AFD if they want something deleted and have a reasonable belief that it can and should be deleted after following BEFORE. If all you want to do is pose a question like "hey, I wonder whether these lists are valid, what do you guys think?" then AFD is not the place. A relevant Wikiproject would be far more appropriate. And if you find yourself nominating a lot of AFDs that get closed as "keep", then you should rethink your methods.

But I wasn't trying to criticize necessarily, just to raise the concern that I wasn't sure whether you were nominating these lists of songs for deletion just because they were lists of songs, or because you had made an individual determination for each list that you nominated that that list should be deleted. Can you comment on that specifically? postdlf (talk) 14:52, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Ahem! If I may interject here, my good sir. You say you are feeling this pressure. First of all from whom are you feeling this pressure, and second do you not realize that this said "pressure" is self inflicted? Maybe if you were so sensitive to feeling a bit of pressure maybe, you shouldn't've actually created the pressure in the first place. Perhaps you are placing "pressure" upon others. Now you probably do not care, so why should others care if you are feeling "pressure". Good day to you my fine gentleman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChuckT187 (talkcontribs)

July 2014[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Vanjagenije. I noticed that you removed a Biographies of Living Persons PROD, from Vadim Istrati, and I wanted to let you know that I have replaced it. Please don't remove these Biographies of Living Persons PRODs from articles unless they contain at least one reliable source or were created before 18 March 2010. If you oppose the deletion of an article under this process, please consider adding reliable sources to the article or commenting at the respective talk page. Thank you. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:42, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

  • I thought I added a reliable source. What do you think was wrong with the source I added? Nfitz (talk) 15:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • The problem is that you did not add any source [3]. You just removed BLP PROD tag from the article, without adding sources, which is not allowed. You gave an explanation in the edit summary on why you think the person is notable, but we need a source to establish wp:verifability. You can learn more about what are sources here: WP:SOURCE. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:12, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Ah, the article got undeleted, now I can see the edit history! Yes, somehow I forgot to add the reference when I removed the BLPprod; I've added it now. For these easy to find references for players, wouldn't it make sense just to add a reference, rather than BLPprodding ... or going straight to a Prod if it's felt that netiher WP:GNG or WP:NFOOTY are met? Nfitz (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't see how is going to PROD easier than going to BLP PROD. Anyway, the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds material. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:41, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
The burden may well lay there, but given it wasn't done by that editor, and a 2-second Google search can find a lot of material that verifies the article and existence of the person, it's poor editing to be BLPproding an article, that could just as easily have a reference added - particularly for a case like this that clearly and easily meets WP:NFOOTY. The original point of BLPprod was to provide a clear route to remove articles for which there was no verifiable material. A stunning amount of time has been wasted by the project on this article, that could simply have been avoided if the original nominator or the other 3 occasions in which the prod was reinstated! Nfitz (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN must be read in connection with WP:PRESERVE and WP:BLPDELETE. The main purpose of BURDEN is to address disagreements as to whether content should be in the encyclopedia, and it doesn't seem that you think this article was a hoax or unverifiable. BURDEN doesn't mean that you get to choose to only apply delete functions and processes to solve all problems. The consequence of PRESERVE and even BLPDELETE as relevant here is that if something is fixable, but you don't want to take the time to help fix it, then you should stay your hand from doing anything at all. Think on my "hammer" comment above; the concept is called law of the instrument. postdlf (talk) 17:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


Hello, friend! Are you from Serbia? Ellidiano911 (talk) 13:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Yes, I am from Serbia, and my first language is Serbian/Serbo-Croatian. Vanjagenije (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Мој брат... I'm from Russia! Speak Russian? Ellidiano911 (talk) 13:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't speak Russian. By the way, this is English Wikipedia, so all discussion should be in English language. See: WP:SPEAKENGLISH. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:31, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I follow the rules! I would like to write an article in Wikipedia. I can count on help from you? Ellidiano911 (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you can ask me for any kind of help (except to write an article instead of you ☺ ). I strongly advise you to read those two guides before writing an article: WP:CREATE and WP:FIRST. And, I also recommend you to start the article in your user sandbox (here: User:Ellidiano911\sandbox) or in the draft namespace before moving the article to the main namespace. Vanjagenije (talk) 15:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Page tagged for speedy deletion[edit]

Hi Vanjagenije - You recently tagged a page I created for speedy deletion. The page was for Good4U which is a company based in Ireland. I had just written a couple of lines but was going to write more information (without breaking advertising guidelines) Many companies have articles written about them, what needs to be included or left out in order for it not be considered advertising. Also this company were featured on National UK television last night (July 21st) where they talked about the process of sprouting!

Hi! It is true that there are many companies in Wikipedia, but that does not mean that we should have all the companies in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and encyclopedias generally do not have articles about all the companies in the World, but only about those that are notable. Wikipedia's has strict definition of "Notability", and it is different from the everyday definition of "notability". In Wikipedia, article must cite several reliable, independent sources that significantly discuss the subject (see: WP:42) in oreder to prove the notability. Otherwise, an article about a company without sources cited might be taken as an example of advertisement. See here how to properly cite sources: WP:CITE. You posted your article directly to the main namespace. The problem with such a practice is that the article went "live" the same moment you clicked the "save" button for the first time. If you need more time to work on the article without fear that it might be deleted, you should write the article in your user sandbox (here User:HisNameIsMark/sandbox), or in the draft namespace (here Draft:Good4U), and then move the article to the main namespace when you think it's ready. And, please, sign your posts. See here how to sign: WP:SIGN. Feel free to ask me for any kind of help you need. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I am Mark, an American. I have been contracted by the owner of this account to create an article for him. I am familiar with Wikipedia. The issue you just raised is true and I can't deny that. However, I am working on the reference file and I will avail it soon. My request is that you kindly should not tag "Howie Stange" for deletion. I offered to help because he explained to me how important this page is to him. Otherwise, I am really grateful with your milestones here on Wikipedia! Keep it up buddy :) Steve Stange 10:47, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! What you are doing here is strictly forbidden. Wikipedia does not allow for the user account to be shared between multiple persons. That is called a role account and is strictly forbidden here. I'm afraid your user account may be blocked soon if you do not immediately stop such a practice. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Drew campbell/sandbox[edit]

Hello Vanjagenije. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Drew campbell/sandbox, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There's no need to delete empty userpages, especially one called a sandbox. Thank you. GedUK  12:08, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought that was a userpage! Gone now. GedUK  12:09, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by X AFD's[edit]

Hi Vanjagenije,
Just to let you know I've closed some of these as Keep despite no !votes,
It seems on the other 4 AFDs despite being Keeps you've also received a bit of a bashing over them so instead of leaving the rest open to more bashing I've obviously closed them,
If you honestly feel I was incorrect I will happily relist,
Regards, –Davey2010(talk) 19:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I have no problem with your decision. It seems fair to me. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:17, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albania national football team campaign at the UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying[edit]

Hello, I'm the creator of the page Albania national football team campaign at the UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying and I saw your message for delete the page. I don't understand where is the problem with my page, as I've started creating by basing on an national team football season, then I found this template: Infobox national football team season which is more than correctly. Also I saw that some national teams have also an season but only as a calendaric year, these are such : Australia, South Korea, etc. Atleast you must say that page should move/rename or something similar but not to delete as an unecessary.Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:50, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi! The discussion about deleting the article is open here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albania national football team campaign at the UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying. I stated my reasons there, and you are free to join the discussion and write your reasons why you think the page shouldn't be deleted. This is not a place to discuss deletion of the article. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks. Sorry about the confusion. Rwood128 (talk) 14:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

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Hi Vanjagenije, Thanks for the welcome message and tips  :)

Theartmad (talk) 16:33, 30 July 2014 (UTC)