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Sources for Physics Essays[edit]
Hello, I am trying to find sources for the article Physics Essays but failed to find any. Because of the article's lack of sources, the talk page is filled with original research. Any help will be appreciated! Ca talk to me! 14:53, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- A brief look at the contents of the last few issues shows the journal accepts crackpot articles that contain crucial elementary errors and should not have survived even a moderate peer review (and, obviously, articles claiming that relativity theory and quantum theory are wrong need a strong review). I can't think of a reason to publish anything about the journal other than to point out this does not belong on academic bookshelves. --Lambiam 23:01, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Do they also argue that the Moon Landing never happened? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- All the more reason to help Ca with their request, since we can't relate any of that without good sourcing. Ca, I'll see what I can do to help, but I suspect the name of "journal", combined with it's meager (though honestly possibly still inflated) impact factor is going to make the process difficult. SnowRise let's rap 03:48, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Especially as nearly everyone at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Physics Essays is saying "Keep". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- I have no opinion about whether there should be an article about this particular journal, but I'll note that the crackpottyness of a work is of little relevance to whether an article should exist. We have articles about Worlds in Collision, Chariots of the Gods? and The Key to Theosophy, not because they're not crackpot, but because they're notable. The same criterion should apply here. CodeTalker (talk) 06:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think Lambiam is simply speaking as to what is WP:DUE in the existing article--though again, we need to approach that issue from a WP:WEIGHT/WP:NOR perspective. As to the AFD, it looks as if the OP is proposing deletion largely along the lines of failure to meet WP:GNG: I haven't had enough time to reach a firm conclusion as to whether or not the body of WP:RS support that conclusion or not, but if accurate, it's a relevant (and indeed, usually dispositive) factor. On the other hand, there is also an element of WP:FRINGE violations to their concerns as well, and I'm much more wary of carrying a delete !vote on that factor alone, as per your last comments. SnowRise let's rap 07:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- No, I was actually explaining why there are (very likely) no reliable sources to be found that discuss the topic in sufficient detail to base an article on. The current article contains only standard facts such as can be given about any journal. The cited sources acknowledge the existence of the journal but do not discuss it. There is a reliable source reporting that Eli Thomas Lane was born on November 20, 2014, in Hamilton Medical Center, Dalton, Georgia.[1] That is not enough to base an article on. --Lambiam 10:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I looked at the article and commented briefly at the AfD that it looked like that might be the case, though I didn't have enough time to do an independent search significant enough to lodge a firm !vote before it was closed. There was a near-unaninmous consensus, but I'll say bluntly, I think it was a pretty badly argued and supported consensus, both in terms of the sourcing that I did see and certainly as regards the (frankly completely accurate/invalid argument made, which was (more or less explicitly) based on disregarding relevant policy as wrongheaded, rather than complying with it. If anyone happens to see it come back there eventually, feel free to ping me and I'll !vote accordingly--assuming the sourcing situation has not improved. SnowRise let's rap 06:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- No, I was actually explaining why there are (very likely) no reliable sources to be found that discuss the topic in sufficient detail to base an article on. The current article contains only standard facts such as can be given about any journal. The cited sources acknowledge the existence of the journal but do not discuss it. There is a reliable source reporting that Eli Thomas Lane was born on November 20, 2014, in Hamilton Medical Center, Dalton, Georgia.[1] That is not enough to base an article on. --Lambiam 10:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think Lambiam is simply speaking as to what is WP:DUE in the existing article--though again, we need to approach that issue from a WP:WEIGHT/WP:NOR perspective. As to the AFD, it looks as if the OP is proposing deletion largely along the lines of failure to meet WP:GNG: I haven't had enough time to reach a firm conclusion as to whether or not the body of WP:RS support that conclusion or not, but if accurate, it's a relevant (and indeed, usually dispositive) factor. On the other hand, there is also an element of WP:FRINGE violations to their concerns as well, and I'm much more wary of carrying a delete !vote on that factor alone, as per your last comments. SnowRise let's rap 07:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)