Talk:Deep Forest

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Links to outside sites[edit]

The links section should include a link to www.deepforestmusic.com. This is currently the only active Deep Forest site and contains a library of Deep Forest information, much of which has been used in the Deep Forest wiki entries.

www.deep-projects.com should also be listed, but as Eric Mouquet's Official site, not the official site of Deep Forest. Deep Forest consists of Eric Mouquet and Michel Sanchez, so Eric's personal site can not be considered the official site. Furthermore, deep-projects.com, has little to no information on any Deep Forest music (1992-2004). The official Deep Forest site was www.sonymusic.fr/deepforest, but it no longer exists, and so currently there is no official Deep Forest site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.19.65.220 (talk) 21:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Link at the start of the article[edit]

To the person who keeps adding the link at the start of the article, I would like to point out that external links are placed near the end of the article, in accordance to Wikipedia's general article style. All further similar edits will be removed or reverted. Thanks. --Andylkl (talk) 04:08, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Other singles[edit]

Just a question here, aren't "Undecided" (with Youssou N'Dour) and "While the Earth sleeps" (with Peter Gabriel) their singles too?

As it's said here: http://www.deepforestmusic.com/faq02.htm, "While the Earth sleeps" is a single from 1996, but it doesnt say anything about Undecided. Article edited --Undiente 07:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Undecided, Undecided was composed by Youssou N'Dour and then remixed by Deep Forest. While the Earth Sleeps was composed by Deep Forest. It might be a good idea to list the remixes separately.

Removed POV statement[edit]

I removed the following uncited POV statement from the history section:

However it is fortunate Deep Forest considered changing focus as Boheme, arguably their best album to date (won a Grammy), is a more mature and impressive album.

I'm attributed as 24.56.7.11 in the history, as I'd forgotten to login prior to the edit. James A. Stewart (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Banned Link[edit]

Could one of the editors have deepforestmusic.com whitelisted? This is the only Deep Forest site left, and the source for much of the content in this entry.24.136.204.214 (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Essences[edit]

There seems to be some confusion about the two albums Essence of Deep Forest and Essence of the Forest. The definative information appears to be here. They are two different albums, both "best of", the former released in 2003 the latter in 2004, the former in Japan only the latter in three different editions. HairyWombat (talk) 18:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy?[edit]

I'm confused, the reference used ("Valuing art, respecting culture: protocols for working with the Australian Indigenous visual arts and craft sector, Sydney: National Association for the Visual Arts (NAVA)" pg 44) in the controversy section doesn't seem to reference Deep Forest in any way that I see nor does it even seem to reference music except in an oblique way (referring to artwork on didjeridoos). In fact, what does indigenous visual art from Australia have to do with the indigenous music of the Efe people? Am I missing something completely obvious here? Unless I am, then the controversy section should be removed. I'll wait a couple days before removing it to see if someone can enlighten me. Chrisw80 (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is some reference to ethical problems for the use of 'world music' as applied by the Western music industry. Including discussion on the reimbursement of cultural performers and/or proper respect to foreign sacrosanct cultural values (if any). Deep Forest is named a couple of times in the first 5 pages of the Journal Article below: Sherylle Mills. (1996). Indigenous Music and the Law: An Analysis of National and International Legislation. Yearbook for Traditional Music, [online] 28, pp.57-86. Available at: [1] Quote 1: Zemp gave his permission only after he was told that the composers sought his recordings from the Ivory Coast to create an "Earth Day album" (Zemp 1996). He was not told that his recordings from the Solomon Islands, not the Ivory Coast, would be used to create a widely disseminated commercial "house" album (Id.). Quote 2: Despite the album's proclaimed respect for the rites and customs of "primitive" societies, it fails to credit the Solomon Islands as the source for the music sampled in "Sweet Lullaby," one of the album's most successful singles (Sanchez and Mouquet 1992; Zemp 1996). Ironically, however, the album does carry the following caveat: "WARNING: All Rights Reserved. Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws" (Sanchez and Mouquet 1992). Quote 3: It is highly unlikely that the musicians who were sampled received any compensation from the use of their music. Although United States album linings tout that a portion of the proceeds from Deep Forest are donated to the "Pygmy Fund," to "help save African pygmies and preserve their unique rain forest songs" (Sanchez and Mouquet 1992), there are several problems with this seemingly altruistic gesture. The Pygmy Fund is a legitimate charitable corporation, established in 1977, but created only to "preserve the Efe Pygmies of the Ituri Forest, Zaire."<<See, the Articles of Incorporation of the Pygmy Fund, 8 June 1977: 1>>. The Articles specify that the fund raises money to provide land, tools, food and medical care to the impoverished Efe people and undoubtedly provides valuable aid. The recordings the Deep Forest composers sampled, however, were not from the Efe people.<<6>> Any money that Deep Forest has contributed to the Fund is benefiting the wrong people, musical tradition and performers. Thus, Deep Forest remains an excellent example of the alarming vulnerability of non-Western music in today's commercial music world. Quote 4: <<footnote 6>> The samples of African music are credited as being taken off of two albums: (1) track 4, "Marilli", of Africa: Ancient Ceremonies, Dance Music & Songs of Ghana, Elektra records, which was a girls' song from Yeji, Ghana, and (2) tracks 1 and 2 of Polyphony of Deep Rain Forest, Ethnic Sounds Series Vol. 4. The album fails to credit the "Rorogwela" Lullaby, from the album, "Fataleka and Baegu Music from Mailata," Auvidis-Unesco, 1973/1990 D 8027. This lullaby was sampled in track 2 of Deep Forest, "Sweet Lullaby," the album's most commercially profitable track.2001:44B8:216D:CD00:9140:D40A:76F5:170B (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.jstor.org/stable/767807

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Controversy section[edit]

The controversy section was blanked about 3 years due, it seems, to poor sources. However, there was back in the early 90s quite a lot of discussion in the ethnologic community about how Deep Forest had used some recordings of indigenous artists in their music, and in fact some journal articles and news articles published, particularly concerning Sweet Lullaby which used a 1970 recording of a Solomon Islands woman, Afunakwa. She doesn't appear to have been consulted for her permission to use this in a commercial release nor to have been compensated. This article http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2004/11/23/turmeric-pygmies-and-piracy/ contains some details. If I find some time, I might re-add some of this detail to the article since it is quite relevant to their work and the broader issues of world music, anthropology, and intellectual property. 137.154.213.188 (talk) 06:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've just come to this article and am very surprised that there is no mention of controversy. I'll also look into reinstating this section. Yaxu (talk) 12:00, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the section in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deep_Forest&diff=651358607&oldid=649377587

I think it needs to be much more deeply referenced Yaxu (talk) 12:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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