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Edit Request - Add Taiwan and Francoist Spain[edit]
Taiwan should be added to the combatants list in the Anti-Communist grouping. Taiwan sent air support to aid the South Vietnamese and Laotian and small number of troops to help train South Vietnamese soldiers and conduct reconnaissance operations and small raids on the NVA and VC. Taiwan also supplied South Vietnam with rice and machinery. There were at least 250 soldiers from Taiwan who served in The Vietnam War.
Francoist Spain should be added as Supported By under the Anti-Communists in the combatant lists. Franco sent a force of 100 doctors, nurses, and officers to Vietnam to provide medical aid to the American and South Vietnamese forces in Saigon. Pat J. McCarthy (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Pat J. McCarthy, welcome to Wikipedia! One of the guidelines of this online encyclopedia is verifiability: can you provide reliable sources that support that claim? Historians, research papers, declarations, international treaties, that kind of stuff. Thanks! soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both Taiwan and Spain are mentioned in Vietnam Studies Allied Participation in Vietnam [1]. Mztourist (talk) 03:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Taiwan
Has a Wikipedia article already about their involvement but here are some sources I found
- Chinese article by Xinhua News Agency in March 2007 台湾曾秘密参加越战 (Taiwan was secretly engaged in the Vietnam War) detailed the air support and mentioned advisors were sent to South Vietnam
- Leaflet that was dropped by American forces depicts Taiwanese people planting food to be sent to Vietnam and machinery that was produced for Vietnam
- Article in The Free World in Vietnam details how Taiwan sent a "POLWAR group" to assist the South Vietnamese in developing successful political messages and psychological warfare.
Spain - Article in The Free World in Vietnam in 1969 briefly mentions Spain
- Leaflet 2727 was dropped by American forces in 1968 depicts Spanish Doctors in Vietnam
- Spanish documentary called Españoles en la guerra de Vietnam
- Article called Spain's secret support for US in Vietnam written by Paloma Marín
There is more sources on line but their credibility is not as esteem as these. Pat J. McCarthy (talk) 20:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Using "Supported by" in the infobox is deprecated. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
I'm not sure if you've noticed but the source you've used for Taiwan is PRC state media, perhaps not the best source for this case. Considering the subject I wouldn't consider that a good enough source. Originalcola (talk) 00:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wiki Education assignment: ENG 21011 Research Writing[edit]
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2024 and 12 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Rreese9515 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Ak0124.
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We rely on the consensus of reliable sources. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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According to the department of defense the last 41 deaths of the Vietnam war are those personnel killed in the Mayaguez Incident ending May 15,1975. The last 41 names listed on the Vietnam war memorial are those military people. IT time to dump your phony end of war date of April 30, 1975 as it is wrong. 2600:1015:A026:2AD9:16AA:2EA4:F206:6A7E (talk) 23:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't we just kick this around a few months ago? Rja13ww33 (talk) 00:31, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We did. Consensus was to leave it as is since the vast majority of RS use the date used by the article. Intothatdarkness 02:21, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be the same IP user as previously, now wanting 15 May rather than 7 May. Mztourist (talk) 02:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As usual you three idiots never respond to the statement. The statement is the department defense considers the Vietnam war is over on May 15,1975 as the last 41 deaths of the Vietnam war are those personnel killed in the Mayaguez incident ending May 15,1975. The 41 are listed on the Vietnam war memorial. 2600:1015:A026:2AD9:16AA:2EA4:F206:6A7E (talk) 12:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The US was not the only participant. Slatersteven (talk) 13:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A clear case of NOTHERE, as usual. Intothatdarkness 13:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As usual? I didn't even participate in this conversation the last time it came up. Knock off the personal attacks. Rja13ww33 (talk) 16:43, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the IP, which should be clear if you look at the threading. Intothatdarkness 16:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's who I was talking to....not you. Rja13ww33 (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems both myself and the IP used "as usual." Apologies. Intothatdarkness 16:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They have been blocked for a couple of days for PA's so let's close this. Slatersteven (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
In the sentence "In the lead-up to the ceasefire on 28 January", which year is that? I would assume that it refers to the Paris Peace Accords from 27 January 1973. Except, the day doesn't seem to match... although... it might be the same day in different timezones, or something like ceasefire was signed on 27 January 1973, and came into effect on 28 January 1973? 2OO.3OO.2OO.3OO (talk) 16:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The defeat of North Vietnam, after the American operation Linebacker II. Then the North Vietnamese signed a non-aggression pact with South Vietnam, thus ending the American campaign. The North Vietnamese defenses were completely broken. North Vietnam signs a non-aggression pact on January 27, 1973 Legionar123 (talk) 16:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestions to trim article to within size guidelines[edit]
Hello everyone,
I and AI (ChatGPT4o) believe we can streamline the content to make it more accessible without losing essential information. Here are targeted strategies to reduce word count while maintaining informative quality:
Consolidate Similar Events: Group similar events, such as minor battles or operations with common outcomes, under unified subheadings to avoid redundancy and streamline the narrative.
Focus on Key Figures and Events: Limit detailed discussions to pivotal figures and major events, reducing coverage of less influential figures or lesser-known skirmishes unless they contribute significantly to the overall understanding of the war.
Streamline Background and Prelude Sections: Condense the background and prelude to focus on essential causes and geopolitical contexts, avoiding excessive detail on minor events leading up to the war.
Reduce Details on Military Hardware and Tactics: Summarize military technology and tactics briefly unless they are central to a key event, and consider linking to specific articles for those interested in in-depth details.
Trim the Aftermath and Legacy Sections: Focus on summarizing the main consequences and broad impacts, avoiding detailed discussions of various interpretations and long-term impacts unless highly relevant.
Use Summary Style for Subsections: Employ summary style for detailed sections. For example, sections on the home front or anti-war movements can be summarized with links to their detailed articles.
Edit for Clarity and Brevity: Revise the text to remove passive constructions, redundant phrases, and verbose language to improve clarity and reduce word count.
Check for Overlap: Ensure information repeated across different sections is consolidated to improve coherence and avoid redundancy.
We believe these changes will make the article more concise and focused, enhancing readability without compromising on the depth of information. I would appreciate any feedback or additional suggestions from the community, Tom B (talk) 16:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]