Talk:John McCain
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the John McCain article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Archives: Index, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20Auto-archiving period: 90 days |
The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, which has been designated as a contentious topic. Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page. |
This page is not a forum for general discussion about John McCain. Any such comments may be removed or refactored. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about John McCain at the Reference desk. |
A1:Nothing is being covered up. This article is written according to summary style which requires that material in other articles is only summarized here in this article. The information about McCain's use of the term "gook" is discussed in the articles on John McCain 2000 presidential campaign and Cultural and political image of John McCain. Many other controversial remarks by McCain are detailed in the latter article. The "gook" comment was narrowly used by McCain with reference to the specific people who captured and then tortured him in Vietnam; McCain stopped using the term in 2000, and many Asians did not mind him narrowly using the term in the way he did. Singling out this remark for inclusion in this article would give it undue weight, and providing the necessary background and context would also take up too much space in this article. This issue was previously discussed in March, May, and June of 2008.
A2: As stated above, this article uses summary style; think of it as an executive summary of McCain. Much more information about McCain's life, military career, political career, and persona is included in the McCain biographical subarticles shown in the navigational box: Early life and military career of John McCain, House and Senate career of John McCain, 1982–1999, John McCain 2000 presidential campaign, Senate career of John McCain, 2001–present, John McCain 2008 presidential campaign, and Cultural and political image of John McCain.
A3: None of them. All such material (such as his role in the Keating Five, for example) is included in the normal biographical sections they occur in, in this article and in the various subarticles. Having a separate "controversies" or "criticisms" article or section is considered a violation of WP:NPOV, WP:Content forking, and WP:Criticism. A special effort was undertaken to rid all 2008 presidential candidates' articles of such treatment — see here.
A4: Complaints of bias are taken seriously, but must be accompanied by very specific areas of concern or suggestions for change. Vague, general statements such as these are of no help to editors; we can't read your mind.
A5: The main article's presidential campaign section is intentionally brief. The subarticle John McCain 2008 presidential campaign has a much fuller treatment of the campaign and that is where most new additions should go.
A6: This article (like many others) uses the approach that there are no citations in the lead section, because everything in the lead is also found in the body of the article along with its citation. |
John McCain is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on November 4, 2008. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This level-5 vital article is rated FA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:
|
This article has been viewed enough times in a single year to make it into the Top 50 Report annual list. This happened in 2008 and 2018. |
This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 3 times. The weeks in which this happened:
|
Daily pageviews of this article
A graph should have been displayed here but graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at pageviews.wmcloud.org |
This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
Seeming full credulity given to subjects personal account[edit]
The article as is seems to give full credence to McCain's autobiographical accounts. Even where they are demonstrably false. Multiple cited sources themselves list McCain own autobiography as their source.
An example of false claim from that source, is his assertion his only cooperation given to Viet Cong was signing a short one page statement the VC prepared, and that was supposedly what he considered suicide over. The June 6th 1969 issue of Stars and Stripes, a military newspaper, had transcription of audio broadcast of McCain reading Viet Cong prepared statements for recording and dissemination.
Here's a viewable copy of that article:
I don't understand why favoring material from one source, and that source being the subject itself, can be considered from a neutral point of view, or for that matter, verifiable. Pevinsghost (talk) 15:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
DFW: The Weasel, Twelve Monkeys & the Shrub[edit]
David Foster Wallace wrote a very good profile of McCain for Rolling Stone. It's interesting, among other things, for providing a largely positive perspective of him from an author, and a publication, whose politics differ from McCain's in many ways. Wallace does a good job of describing McCain's private history and public image, and as such I believe it would be worth linking to under "Cultural and political image." (See Wallace, David Foster, "The Weasel, Twelve Monkeys and the Shrub". April 13, 2000. Rolling Stone.)
Under "Early Life and military career", in the sentence "The same year, he was a one-day champion on the game show Jeopardy!", shouldn't Jeopardy! be italicized? Charlie Faust (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- I went ahead and added it a link to Wallace's profile under "Cultural and political image." It seems to me it would be worth linking to it elsewhere. Charlie Faust (talk) 20:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia featured articles
- Featured articles that have appeared on the main page
- Featured articles that have appeared on the main page once
- Old requests for peer review
- Wikipedia In the news articles
- FA-Class vital articles
- Wikipedia level-5 vital articles
- Wikipedia vital articles in People
- FA-Class level-5 vital articles
- Wikipedia level-5 vital articles in People
- FA-Class vital articles in People
- FA-Class biography articles
- FA-Class biography (military) articles
- Mid-importance biography (military) articles
- Military biography work group articles
- FA-Class biography (politics and government) articles
- Mid-importance biography (politics and government) articles
- Politics and government work group articles
- Old requests for Biography peer review
- WikiProject Biography articles
- FA-Class politics articles
- Mid-importance politics articles
- FA-Class American politics articles
- Top-importance American politics articles
- American politics task force articles
- WikiProject Politics articles
- FA-Class military history articles
- FA-Class military aviation articles
- Military aviation task force articles
- FA-Class maritime warfare articles
- Maritime warfare task force articles
- FA-Class Asian military history articles
- Asian military history task force articles
- FA-Class North American military history articles
- North American military history task force articles
- FA-Class Southeast Asian military history articles
- Southeast Asian military history task force articles
- FA-Class United States military history articles
- United States military history task force articles
- FA-Class Cold War articles
- Cold War task force articles
- FA-Class Vietnam articles
- Low-importance Vietnam articles
- All WikiProject Vietnam pages
- FA-Class Conservatism articles
- Mid-importance Conservatism articles
- WikiProject Conservatism articles
- FA-Class U.S. Congress articles
- High-importance U.S. Congress articles
- WikiProject U.S. Congress persons
- FA-Class aviation articles
- FA-Class aerospace biography articles
- Aerospace biography task force articles
- WikiProject Aviation articles
- FA-Class United States articles
- High-importance United States articles
- FA-Class United States articles of High-importance
- FA-Class Arizona articles
- High-importance Arizona articles
- WikiProject Arizona articles
- Arizona articles with to-do lists
- FA-Class United States presidential elections articles
- High-importance United States presidential elections articles
- WikiProject United States presidential elections articles
- United States presidential elections articles with to-do lists
- United States articles used on portals
- WikiProject United States articles
- Wikipedia pages referenced by the press
- Pages in the Wikipedia Top 50 Report
- Pages in the Wikipedia Top 25 Report
- Wikipedia articles that use American English