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== Thinking of creating a new 'Deaths in MONTH YEAR' article? ==

Great that you want to help! Inevitably somewhere in the future a '[[Deaths in 1985|Deaths in YEAR]]' page will become too large ([[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Years/Archive_11#1907|the maximum recommended article size is 100 kb]]). As a consequence twelve Deaths per month articles (''dpm's'') [[WP:SIZESPLIT|will have to be created]]. It's probably why you're reading this.
Unfortunately the last few years there have been [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Death/Archive 6#Lists_Deaths_in_Month_1987-1989;_rv_to_redirect|several]] [[Talk:Deaths_in_January_1995#Format_and_other_changes|issues]] with users creating new dpm's. It took us (me mostly) oceans of time correcting their activities. That's why I am offering some context and 'rules' for newcomers:<br/>
* Work your way back per month ([[Deaths in January 1986|earliest dpm]]). Just take another dpm as a template.
* Take note of the guidelines in the dpm (at the top of the [[H:WT|wikitext]]).
* Do not include ''everyone'' in the list with a biography on Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_January_1990&oldid=1109989553 Example]. Lesser figures should go to a suitable 'Year in Topic' page like [[2002 in the United Kingdom|this one]]. A definition of a lesser figure is someone who has less than 50 links to their bio. Use [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=linksto%3A%22Kudrat+Singh%22+insource%3A%22Kudrat+Singh%22&ns0=1&fulltext=Search this query] to determine the link count. In the example query [[Kudrat Singh]] would not be suitable for the dpm with just two incoming links making him a virtual [[WP:ORPHAN]]. [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2021-01&end=2023-12&pages=Aaliyah Page views] are also a good indicator by the way.
* Make sure that new entries in your list have [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources|citations]] stating their date of death.
* Be aware that the format of the entries differs from those in the 'Deaths in YEAR' pages.  Include the cause of death (if known).
* Also, unlike 'Deaths in YEAR' pages images of the deceased are not displayed.
* Don't try to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_December_2002&diff=prev&oldid=1189587779 summarize the entire bio in an entry's reason for notability] :)
* Optional: if you want to make me really happy please cross-reference entries with the date- and cause of death in [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page Wikidata]. Click 'Wikidata item' in the entry's bio. [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11617 Example]

Checklist when completing a 'Deaths in MONTH YEAR' article:
# Check the categories (at the bottom)
# Remove obsolete name attributes from reference tags. Example: change <ref name="nytobit"> to <ref>
# Add a Talk page and initialize it (see other dpm's)
# Add a 'Main article' tag in the corresponding month section of the 'Deaths in YEAR' page. Example: {{Main|Deaths in May 1993}}
# When finishing the dpm January; twelve dpm's for a year are now created. Turn the corresponding 'Deaths in YEAR' page into a redirect [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_1996&redirect=no like this]. ([[Talk:Deaths_in_1996#Use_of_Main_article-link_in_month_subsections|Background]]).

Thank you for your time and have fun! [[User:Mill 1|Mill 1]] ([[User talk:Mill 1|talk]]) 20:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Mill 1}} Thank you for setting up these procedures. However, the item "Do not include everyone in the list with a biography on Wikipedia" is not correct. Any deceased entity with a Wikipedia article is entitled to an entry in "Deaths in XXXX". Regards, [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 02:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|WWGB}} You are correct; the fact that an entity has a Wikipedia article warrants notability in itself for inclusion. However, I wouldn't recommend it; listing everyone leads to long lists, is error prone and distracts from more notable entries. It would have little value over [[:Category:1989 deaths|the category of deaths of a specific year]]. I was also triggered by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1972&diff=1148130052&oldid=1148128713&variant=en&diffmode=source this rv] by :{{ping|Deb}}. In the end it's a mere recommendation. Moreover the guideline that new entries should have a citation will act as a more [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_1989&diff=prev&oldid=1148612448&diffmode=source effective filter]; if you can't find a citation for an entry it probably has no business being in the list.

== Notability ==

@[[User:WWGB|wwgb]]
What do you mean notability is not inherited. It is the ONLY reason she is known(=notable) [[User:Bryan Krippner|Bryan Krippner]] ([[User talk:Bryan Krippner|talk]]) 03:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Bryan Krippner}} If her only claim to notability was giving birth, then she does not warrant her own article. Having a famous son no doubt influenced the creation and retention of the article, but she probably did enough as an active member of [[Universal Negro Improvement Association]] to justify her notability aside from giving birth. [[User:WWGB|WWGB]] ([[User talk:WWGB|talk]]) 06:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)