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==new nationalist Textbooks==
Looks like the conservative gov't has sent out 'trial' textbooks to Hungarian teachers with a new origin theory given some weight - that the language was ancestored by the Huns instead of a Finno-Ugric/Uralic background.  I see nothing but trouble from this for the Talk Page .... -HammerFilmFan

Of course. However, Hungarian truly belongs to the Uralic family. The Hunnic language was most likely NOT Uralic. It is much more likely to have been either Yeniseian or Turkic. Nationalist authors have been unable to come up with any reliable research that would prove the "Hunnic" theory. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:AB04:2AB:700:F5AF:BD32:6287:7FA|2A02:AB04:2AB:700:F5AF:BD32:6287:7FA]] ([[User talk:2A02:AB04:2AB:700:F5AF:BD32:6287:7FA|talk]]) 10:08, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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== Umlaut ==

A discussion has been opened at [[Talk:Umlaut (diacritic)#Hungarian]] that editors of this article may be able to resolve. I notice that the statement challenged is also stated in this article and is also uncited. [[User:John Maynard Friedman|𝕁𝕄𝔽]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 10:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

== Section "Word order" ==

In the "Word order" section of a language article, I expect to be shown how a sentence works, and not necessarily how a name works. For example, in a normal English sentence the subject is first, then the verb, and then the object (this order is often abbreviated SVO).

It would be helpful to see the proper way to make an ordinary sentence in Hungarian, and it would also be nice to see details like "if the sentence is a question" etc. [[User:TooManyFingers|TooManyFingers]] ([[User talk:TooManyFingers|talk]]) 17:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:TooManyFingers|TooManyFingers]], I think the word order is free, just speak higher tone and move forward which word is in the focus.
:"megyek az állomásra" "I go to station" neutral
:"ÉN megyek az állomásra" "I go to the station" emphasizing that I (not you)
:"Az ÁLLOMÁSRA megyek" "I go to the station" emphasizing the station, important to where I go [[User:OrionNimrod|OrionNimrod]] ([[User talk:OrionNimrod|talk]]) 17:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! I hope something like this can be included at the very beginning of the "Word order" section, because it is much more important for understanding how the Hungarian language works, even though the proper form for a person's name is a common problem for English speakers. [[User:TooManyFingers|TooManyFingers]] ([[User talk:TooManyFingers|talk]]) 17:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== Reason for deleting intermediate subgroups ==

Because this led to an edit war on the page about the Finnish language, I thought that I'd leave my justification on the talk page for removing the intermediate subgroups between Uralic and Hungarian.

[[WP:TRUTH]] means that it doesn't matter whether subgroups like Finno-Ugric actually exist; it must be verifiable that there is a scholarly consensus that they exist.

It's possible to cherry-pick sources that say that these subgroups exist, particularly older sources, but equally there are other sources that deny the existence of any intermediate subgroups between Uralic and Hungarian. So what is needed is an expert overview of the different proposals that explains the scholarly consensus.

The book "The Oxford Guide to the Uralic Languages" qualifies as such a reference, and here is what it has to say:

"It is generally accepted that the Uralic language family comprises [Saamic, Finnic, Mordvin, Mari, Permic, Samoyed] and the Ugric group, which is sometimes also derived from an intermediate proto-language. However, '''there is no consensus on further groupings or subdivisions within Uralic'''." (emphasis mine)

On Ugric specifically:

"Many linguists would now derive these shared linguistic features from ''Sprachbund''-like mutual areal influences rather than a common proto-language (see chapters 1.2 and 2.7; Salminen 2002)." [[User:Stockhausenfan|Stockhausenfan]] ([[User talk:Stockhausenfan|talk]]) 22:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

: This might be worth taking to [[WP:LING]], but I do not believe we actually follow a standard of only-consensus for what to give as infobox classification; fairly widely supported + ongoingly debated subgroups are often included too with a "?", e.g. [[Tibeto-Kanauri]]; ditto unclear top-level families such as Niger-Congo above Atlantic-Congo. For the purposes of Hungarian this would yes probably mean including Ugric. (Separate Finno-Ugric though has yes not been really defended in decades now.) --[[User:Tropylium|<span class="IPA">Trɔpʏliʊm</span>]] • [[User talk:Tropylium|blah]] 11:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
::The key lies in [[MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE]]: {{tq|The purpose of an infobox is to summarize, but not supplant, the key facts that appear in an article.}} Do we say in ''this'' article that Finno-Ugric and Ugric have been entirely abandonded/rejected by general academic consensus? As of now, this article writes about Ugric: "it is no longer clear that it is a valid group"; and about binary split into Samoyed and Finno-Ugric: "that is now frequently questioned". It is a key fact about Hungarian that it is described as nested in the two intermediate subgroups Ugric and Finno-Ugric in many good sources, including fairly recent ones. All of us are aware about the recent trend to favor the null hypothesis for the internal classification of Uralic leading to a rake model (again in many good sources), but does that mean that Ugric and Finno-Ugric shouldn't get a mention in the infobox?
::On a sidenote, lede- and infobox-heavy editing alone is not a healthy thing when our articles totally misalign about the evaluation of the Ugric branch. In [[:Ugric languages]], there is ''zero'' mention of recent doubts, while [[:Ob-Ugric languages]] makes a much better job. –[[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 12:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== etymology of kovász - sourdough ==

Is it related to some slavic languages? It reminds me of [[Kvass]] and on "fermentation" in other slavic languages? Bulgarian: квас = sourdough (квасвам = to ferment). The inserted "o" in k(o)vász is typical for hungarian words of slavic origin.
--[[User:Thirunavukkarasye-Raveendran|Thirunavukkarasye-Raveendran]] ([[User talk:Thirunavukkarasye-Raveendran|talk]]) 13:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
:Correct, as we do have listed on Wiktionary too; cashes out to Old Hungarian *kuwās(u) from early Common Slavic *kwās(ŭ).
:Noting here at this point that a longer section or perhaps even article on loanwords from Slavic might be a good idea (cf. [[Slavic loanwords in Romanian]]). --[[User:Tropylium|<span class="IPA">Trɔpʏliʊm</span>]] • [[User talk:Tropylium|blah]] 21:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)