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== Structural polymorphism ==

Someone should do a section on structural polymorphisms.
:If you mean anatomical/gross morphology polymorphisms, this is common in plants. Like light/shadow leaves (on the same plant). [[Ontogenetic]] variation in leaf shape might also be considered structural polymorphism, though ontogenetic variation is generally considered a separate thing - it cannot be induced, like seasonal polymorphisms, but follows a set course. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 23:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Etymology? polymorph (n.) Look up polymorph at Dictionary.com
"organism of several forms," 1828, from Greek polymorphos "of many forms" (see polymorphous). [[Special:Contributions/60.231.39.77|60.231.39.77]] ([[User talk:60.231.39.77|talk]]) 06:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

==Hard to understand==

And the examples suck. --[[User:218.215.133.116|218.215.133.116]] 11:20, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

:Replace them with better ones.  An explanation here of why those examples are better would be great.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 18:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

What really sucks is the main definition. A polymorphism is a "discontinuous genetic variation that results in the occurrence of several different forms or types of individuals among the members of a single species". Correct me if I'm wrong, but polymorphism is just a sequence variation and doesn't necessarily cause different phenotypes[[User:217.209.218.154|217.209.218.154]] 16:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC) [[User:217.209.218.154|217.209.218.154]] 16:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

:Polymorphism in the general sense indicates merely the presence of multiple character states (of any character) in an interbreeding population.  Limiting it to sequence variation is just one of those examples of gene-jockeys trying to usurp a general term for their (hence, only important) uses.  This usurpation has caught on, to some extent, but I don't like it.  Another thing worth mentioning here is that, last I checked, it wasn't entirely clear that melanism in peppered moths is genetic.  Maybe I missed something. [[User:Paalexan|Paalexan]] 22:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

::You don't happen to have a definition with a source, do you?  Or an example of a non-genetic polymorphism?  It would be something like the sex of [[alligator]]s being determined by the temperature at which the eggs incubate, right?  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 04:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Example of apparent non-genetic (= mutational, it is epigenetic/biochemical... obviously) polymorphism: ''[[Araschnia levana]]''. Such cases are not actually rare; the alligator thing is one too. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 22:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I am confused!  The opening paragraph tells me polymorphism is rare and found only in panmictic species (so not humans). Yet, a little further down the page polymorphism is said to be common in nature and sexual dimorphism is given as an example of polymorphism-something humans do exhibit.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.88.54.181|212.88.54.181]] ([[User talk:212.88.54.181|talk]]) 12:02, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Hair color ==

So blond hair, despite being rarer, isn't going to dissapear because blondes are more successful? --[[User:Euyyn|euyyn]] 19:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:I think blond hair is unlikely to disappear because it has little effect on reproductive success (except possibly in the tropics, since it's associated with light skin?).  But I don't know any facts on this point.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 18:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC) (My hair isn't blond, but it's disappearing.)

::Well, you know, maybe it's just culture, but here in Spain we like blondes more, in general. Nothing to do with skin color, since we also like tanned women more... (Although I've heard that in Germany, where everybody is blond, we dark-haired people are considered more handsome).
::In school they told me that the blond gene is recessive, and because of that it will likely dissapear in the future. I must confess I never understood that implication, since being recessive doesn't mean being less likely to pass to your offspring... But when I read this article I realized that, if they really are more succesful (stadistically), then blondes could not dissapear...
::Heck, if should have studied Biology... --[[User:Euyyn|euyyn]] 15:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

:::I think you're right to question what they told you in school.  I too see no reason that a recessive gene should disappear.
:::Of course it won't dissappear.... since you have a 3/4 chance to obtain the recessive gene if both parents have only one. It may 'appear' to dissappear, but cannot do so. You would have to find and keep anyone with the recessive gene from mating. One parent one gene = 1/4 chance. Two parents one gene = 3/4 chance. One parent two gene = 1/1 chance. No gene = 0 chance. The first scenario where it would 'dissappear', would be if only ONE recessive gene existed, and would only be guaranteed for one generation.

:::Also, maybe blondes in Spain get asked to dance first, but that doesn't mean they have more children.  If you think about the people you know who have the most children, I'll bet you won't see much correlation with hair color.  (In fact, I don't think the number of children correlates with attractiveness.  "Siempre hay un roto para un descosido.")  If I'm not mistaken, the birth rate in Germany, the Netherlands, Britain, and Scandinavia is low, for socioeconomic reasons.  If that's true and it continues, blondness could get less common in the world.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 05:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

::::My line of thought was more like "women/men who end up alone are likely the less atractive ones". Since the number of children of those who have isn't correlated with atractiveness, this would be important in the long term. Another question is wether the children of an atractive couple are o aren't atractive... But I agree that demographic distribution is a stronger factor. Anyway, what's the relation between this and polymorphism? Thanks for your enlightenment. --[[User:Euyyn|euyyn]] 19:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::Common sense says less attractive people should be more likely to end up alone, but that's not my observation.  I have no data, though.  And this has nothing to do with polymorphism, since that seems to be just discontinuous variation.  Oh well.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 04:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

::::::Yeah, the "blonde" allele (alleles?) are not ''decidedly unfit'' about anywhere in the world, and that's the only thing needed to maintain them for the time being. The fate of the individual matters in population genetics as regards [[genetic drift]] etc, but not in general. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 22:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== Merge ==

I think the concepts and examples fit together, and it would be nice to have one definition of "morph".  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 04:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::Polymorphism as from biology, which would include the geneticists definition, as that is the realm it falls under has nothing to do with "morph" phenotypes.  Polymorphism is separately defined it is its own important word describing a certain GENETIC occurance at the allele level of the genome.  My biology classes elaborate extensively on "polymorphism" with no mention of the term "morph."  I feel that all this merging of articles will only lead to more confusion as they are separate terms so should have separate definitions and articles in wikipedia, otherwise why don't we just combine everything and scrap the whole project. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/24.56.204.204|24.56.204.204]] ([[User talk:24.56.204.204|talk]]) 00:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:::Sorry to take so long to answer.  I can assure you that some whole-organism biologists use "polymorphic" to refer to different "morphs" or phenotypes.  If the geneticists' definition is different, maybe there need to be two articles on polymorphism, one for genetics and one for whole-organism biology including what's currently at [[morph]].

:::You could ask your professors whether they consider the visible morphs mentioned in the article to be examples of polymorphism.

:::Anyway, the question is what topics belong together and what don't.  If we can reach a consensus on that (and I hope that "we" gets bigger than just you and me), no doubt people will organize the articles appropriately.  A satirical suggestion to "combine everything and scrap the whole project" doesn't convince anyone of anything or help reach any conclusion.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 23:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::::The reason why most textboods don't discuss morphs in their discussion of polymorphism is that the term has no formal standing in zoology, and [[botanical nomenclature]] tends to split non-specialists' heads right open. I can assure you (24.56.204.204) that the "morphs" of zoology are precisely what you describe: allelic polymorphisms (as a rule-of-thumb, about 80% of morphological polymorphism has an allelic basis, the rest is developmental or otherwise imprinted).
::::As regards the merge, '''support''' but article needs entirely reworking. [[Silent mutation]]s and [[haplotype]]s might be mentioned (a genetic polymorphism with no/no obligate phenotypical equivalent). Also, if we're at it, merge [[form (zoology)]], [[form (botany)]], [[variety (botany)]] and [[subvariety]] here too, link to [[Botanical nomenclature]] and discuss the different "categories" of polymorphisms. (After all, while zoological morphs are allele variants, form- and variety-type polymorphisms may not be. Especially not in plants, where [[polyploidy]] and clonality causes things to work very, very much differently. Which is why the botanical terms have formal standing in nomenclature, whereas the zoolological ones have none.)
::::JF, if you execute the merge, I'd be happy to help build this section I mentioned. If that's OK and when you go ahead, drop me a line. I have always been dissatisfied with having to sift through all those stubs (you should have seen the morph article before I went over it, gack!) [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 16:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Okay, I'll probably do the merge within a couple days.  I think we can write the article with the overlapping but not identical definitions used in different specialties and thus address the issues raised by 24.56.204.204.  I'll take a shot at organizing the article, but I can't do the details.  I'll let you know.
:::::Should we namecheck Mendel?  But what I'm really hoping for in this article is a few examples that are ''not'' familiar from high-school and introductory college biology.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 04:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'd be honored to dig up some examples. I have a lengthy paper here entitled "The evolution, maintenance and adaptive function of genetic colour polymorphism in birds" which I wanted to work into WP anyway :D As for other examples, I'll go get some butterflies, plants, spiders... [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 10:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

== expert tag ==

This article really needs work by someone who can answer questions like those raised above, and no doubt other questions that haven't been brought up yet.  For instance, we're not talking about sexual dimorphism, or queens and workers and soldiers, or anything related to age, right?  What about haploid and diploid [[Saccharomyces cerevisiae|yeast]]?  [[Aphid]]s?  Another plant example or two?  Bacteria?  So I tagged it.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 04:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:I think I should be able to answer this, or most of it. Most of the things you mention here are not generally considered polymorphisms, but technically they are; a brief sentence pointing to the appropriate article (such as [[polyploidy]]) would do the job. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 16:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== To do ==

In looking for really good definitions of polymorphism (does it include differences between allopatric populations?), I'm finding good examples: [http://books.google.com/books?id=3xklog5kVGMC&pg=PA41&ots=WfdA7-fShm&dq=polymorphism+populations&sig=dNYW4wKr5wXpUVVmdEEihcd_ahE ecological polymorphism in white clover] and [http://books.google.com/books?id=jnffuNiGTgAC&pg=RA3-PA135&ots=aVIn7c1lLV&dq=%22seed+polymorphism%22&sig=7ALTutC_7JkK7mwxu01Xp2gHayE#PRA3-PA110,M1 a slightly frustrating look at non-genetic seed polymorphism] in ''Dimorphotheca'' (which unfortunately doesn't seem to be named after this attribute).  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 02:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

:A [http://books.google.com/books?id=fUsB_W4sp6kC&pg=PA125&dq=polymorphism+caste&sig=6iPHzblGakJZTW9dsDpWGY6rjAw#PPA126,M1 source for castes of social insects] as polymorphisms.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 03:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

== What is and what isn't a polymorphism ==

The definitions I've found seem to think that a polymorphism has to occur in a single population.  In that case [[Form (zoology)]] and [[Variety (botany)]] don't seem to qualify.  I didn't mention  [[haplotype]]s because it's too late at night for me to figure out what they are.

Maybe we need a "see also" kind of section on things that aren't polymorphisms.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 04:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

== Genetic polymorphism ==

I'm able to do a bit of writing now; I'll do it here and you can decide whether/how it fits with the article. 

====some definitions====

these might be useful at least to see if we agree on basic terms to use in the article.

*[[phenotype]]: the organism as produced by genetics and development; the aspects which interact with the environment. Includes visible parts and also behaviour, physiology &c. [this is not the definition given on WP, which is incorrect]. The phenotype living in its environment may or may not be successful in having descendents. 

*[[character]] or [[trait (biology)]]: one aspect of the phenotype.

*[[genotype]]: the genetic constitution of an individual; the set of genetic elements which partly produces the phenotype, and which may be passed on by inheritance.

*[[gene]]: a segment of nucleic acid which contains the information to produce a functioning RNA product.

*[[allele]]: one of the DNA coding groups (~variants of a gene) which occupies a given [[locus]] on the [[chromosome]].

*[[pleiotropism]]: pleiotropy is when a single gene influences multiple phenotypic traits. Consequently, an alernative allele may have an effect on all those traits simultaneously, but perhaps unequally.

*[[polymorphism]]: means 'many forms'; includes a) visible and non-visible characters, b) which may be continuous or discrete and c) wholly, partly or not inherited. Despite their name, [[SNP]]s (single nucleotide polymorphisms) are a misnomer; they are not polymorphisms as the term is normally used.

*[[genetic polymorphism]]: ''Genetic polymorphism is the occurrence together in the same locality of two or more discontinuous forms of a species in such proportions that the rarest of them cannot be maintained just by recurrent mutation'' (Ford 1940). Whew! Let's not hit the readers with that right away! The definition has three parts: a) sympatry; b) discrete forms, and c) not maintainable just by mutation. And I think the definition rules out [[heteropatry]].

Now I can start on the real stuff...   [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 16:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

:Looks like a great start, but I have some questions and comments, possibly related to my weak knowledge of biology.

:*Why are SNPs not polymorphisms?  They seem to fit the definition.
::Of course SNPs are polymorphisms - SNP is actually for [[Single Nucleotide Polymorphism]]. It should, however, be stated somewhere that a mutation has to occur with a certain frequency to be considered a polymorphism. By definition, this is 1%. (see for example German article on polymorphism in biology). The argument in the article below based on the central dogma is very yesterday, because even if a polymorphism doesnt affect the coding sequence of a protein, it might still affect the stability (and therefore the expression level) of the encoding RNA. Other polymorphisms affect translational efficacy etc. - CK 16 Dec 08  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/134.225.1.162|134.225.1.162]] ([[User talk:134.225.1.162|talk]]) 15:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

A user inserted the above; one point he misses is that we cannot cater for SNPs &c. in the same article. The intro says: "The term is also used somewhat differently by molecular biologists to describe certain point mutations in the genotype, such as SNPs (see also RFLPs). This usage is not discussed in this article." This is a perfectly sensible view to take, considering the present length of the article. It doesn't prevent people improving the article on SNPs elsewhere in the system. The term has been used in biology for over a century and a half connected to p/ms in ecological settings: this article is about that usage. There is a limit to what can or should be done in one article. Also, the user says "It should, however, be stated somewhere that a mutation has to occur with a certain frequency to be considered a polymorphism. By definition, this is 1%." If he had read the article, he would have found this as the third point under ''What polymorphism is not''. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 16:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

::*because they are part of the ''[[genotype]]''. Taken for granted is a general ''conceptual separation'' which was first made clear by [[August Weismann]], who used the terms [[soma]] and [[germ plasm]], until the [[T.H. Morgan]] period whose terminology in genetics lasts into the present-day. Germ-plasm = complement of genes = ''[[genotype]]''; Soma = what's produced using information provided by genes = ''[[phenotype]]''. [[Francis Crick]]'s ''Central Dogma of DNA'' is another way of putting it: ''Once information has passed into protein it cannot get out again''. By 'information' is meant the exact sequence of bases and hence amino-acids. [see discussion, with refs, in Judson H.F. ''The eighth day of creation'' 1979 p336-8]. If we use polymorphism both for point mutations and for the phenotypes that might be affected, we will get into profound confusion.
:*We've got a source that says that polymorphisms have to be discrete, and as I recall, I found several more.  If we're going to say they can be continuous, we need a source for that too.
::*distinction needs to be made (as it is in defs above) between general differences in phenotype (called ''polymorphism'' above) and ''genetic polymorphism'' (sometimes called ''[[balanced polymorphism]]''), which is the subset which many ecological geneticists (eg Ford) think is the most interesting from an evolutionary point of view. 
:*I'm not sure what you mean by saying Ford's definition rules out heteropatry (a word I just looked up).  Do you mean that according to Ford, consistent differences between heteropatric populations must or can't be polymorphisms?
::*because in [[heteropatry]] (not a common term, I agree) the two (or more) groups are not interbreeding even though they're in the same area. In genetic (balanced) polymorphism the interbreeding population includes all the forms. So heteropatry is similar to allopatry in that it effects reproductive isolation which might (or might not) lead to speciation. Genetic (balanced) polymorphism does not do this. 
::*Also, I think this answers your original question, which was: 'Why did you add a note that polymorphism was not geographic variation?'. It's because the morphs are all part of the same ''interbreeding population'' (of course, naturally, they do have to occupy space!). Generally speaking, the phrase ''geographical variation'' is taken to mean that the forms under study occupy different spaces, possibly overlapping to some extent.
:I'm fine with making the definition easier to assimilate than Ford's.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 01:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
::*Whew! I'm worn out! — but your questions are both intelligent and pertinent. By achieving clarity on these points and others we will be helping readers who may well have similar questions in mind. This is helpful. Regards,  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 15:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

:::It's a lot easier to ask questions than to answer them, so I appreciate the answers.  It's also much easier to criticize than to write, so I want to avoid working by the method of you writing and me criticizing.  (I've been subjected to that.)
:::The problem with restricting "polymorphism" to the phenotype is that the geneticists use it to mean differences in genotype.  I think we really have to address that usage in this article—not only [[single nucleotide polymorphism|SNPs]], but also [[RFLP]]s and whatever. Either that, or as suggested above, we need an article on phenotypic polymorphisms and one on genotypic.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 23:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
::SNPs and RFLPs are terms invented by the molecular biology teams doing base-sequence analysis. If they had been geneticists they would have called them SNAs (single nucleotide alleles)! Seriously, though, we must avoid molecular analysis of genetic material a) because there isn't room to do it properly; b) other pages are already doing it; c) it would seriously interfere with the ecology/genetics slant of the present article, and hence d) it would make the article too complex for most readers. We could use the device "see [[SNP]]s and [[RFLP]]s for other uses of the term ''polymorphism''."  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 14:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

====some examples====
We meet genetic polymorphism every day of our lives since our species (like most other [[eukaryotes]]) uses sexual reproduction, and of course, the sexes are differentiated. The system is relatively stable (with about half of the population of each sex) and heritable by means of sex chromosomes. Every aspect of this everyday phenomenon bristles with questions for the theoretical biologist. Why is the ratio ~50/50? How could it arise from an original situation of asexual reproduction, which has the advantage that every member of a species could reproduce? Why the visible differences? These questions have engaged the attentions of biologists such as [[Ronald Fisher]], [[John Maynard Smith]] and [[William Hamilton]], with some success.

There are a large number of less spectacular examples of human genetic polymorphisms. All the common blood types, such as the [[ABO]] system, are genetic polymorphisms. Here we see a system where there are more than two morphs: the phenotypes are A, B, AB and O are present in all human populations, but vary in
proportion in different parts of the world. They are seemingly never eliminated by natural selection; and why not? Statistical research has shown that the various phenotypes are more, or less, likely to suffer a variety of diseases, which suggests that the [[pleiotropic]] effects of the genes set up opposing selective forces, thus maintaining a balance. 

The situation is best seen in [[sickle-cell anaemia]], which is found mostly in tropical populations in Africa and India. An individual [[homozygous]] for the [[recessive]] sickle haemoglobin, Hgb S, has a short expectancy of life, whereas the life expectancy of the normal homozygote and the [[heterozygote]] is normal. So why does the sickle cell variant survive in the population? ''Because the heterozygote is resistant to malaria'' and the malarial parasite kills a huge number of people each year. This is a balanced genetic polymorphism, balanced between fierce selection against homozygous sickle-cell sufferers, and selection against the other homozygotes by malaria. The heterozygote has a permanent advantage (a higher [[fitness]]) so long as malaria exists; and it has existed as a human parasite for a long time.

(plan to move on to experimental systems in insects)  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 18:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:This is very interesting and I didn't give it enough emphasis in the present draft, but you seem to want to go straight to the stability of polymorphisms, and I'm wondering about the order. Maybe we should say first that polymorphisms are the raw material of selection.  Then the question of why selection doesn't give us "monomorphy" gains more force.  So maybe an order like this:

:*Definition
::*of polymorphism 
:*A few examples to explain what we're talking about and show the variety of polymorphisms (visible and invisible; appearance, behavior, development, physiology; <u>discrete and continuous;</u> heritable and not). 
::*Yes.
:*Selection (brief) 
::*of what?
:::Of traits&mdash;natural and artificial selection. &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 23:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:*How polymorphisms can be stable
::*This is where I plan to offer most, followed by a readable definition of genetic (balanced) polymorphism.
:*More examples of the endless variety of life, <u>with short evolutionary explanations or statements that they're not theoretically understood</u>.
::*no objections, though must write this last.
:What do you think?  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 02:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
::Also, there's already an article [[Evolution of sex]], so maybe we should mention this special case briefly with a link to that article.
::By the way, [[blood type|ABO]] comes from surface antigens of red blood cells, not hemoglobin.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 04:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC) 
::*Yes, re link to evolution of sex; yes re blood groups, corrected! Shouldn't write late at night...  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 15:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, sounds like we have a plan here (unless someone comes up with a better one).  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 23:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


====related articles====

*genetic polymorphism = [[balanced polymorphism]] = [[balancing selection]]
*[[polyphenism]]
*[[genetic variation]]
*[[heterozygote advantage]]
*[[frequency dependent selection]]
*[[mimicry]] includes Batesian and Mullerian mimicry
*[[melanism]]
*[[trait (biology)]]      [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 18:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
*[[evolution of sex]] (already noted)
*[[common cuckoo]] ''Cuculus canoris''
*[[Grove snail]] ''Cepaea nemoralis'' 
*[[Marsh Fritillary]] ''Euphrydryas (Melitaea) aurinia''
*[[Scarlet tiger moth]] ''Panaxia dominula''
*[[Peppered moth]] ''Biston betularia''

I'm sure there's more. In particular, if balanced polymorphism really does its job, then we don't need to put so much detail into this page.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 17:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

:[[Balanced polymorphism]] looks pretty good to this amateur, although the mosquito example here is way less cliché than the Pepperered Moth at [[balanced polymorphism]].

:But you've got an excellent point: we really do need to look at what WP already has.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 21:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

====para 2 needs correcting====

Para 2 reads: "Not all polymorphisms as defined above are genetic, but in genetics the term is reserved for variation in a population's DNA." I think this is both wrong and incomplete (if that's possible!). DNA is a red herring, see my final para under definitions above.

Firstly, I think the word ''polymorphism'' as used by biologists always describes an [[heritable]] condition, even if sometimes environmental effects also play a part, sometimes as a trigger. If you think I'm wrong, please give counter-examples. Since polymorphisms are heritable, they always involve selection, and genetic polymorphism results from a balance of selection on different morphs.

:For ''Araschnia levana'' as a polymorphism without genetic variation, see ''[http://books.google.com/books?ei=RwPKRviRG5imoALiscHdDw&id=f58aAAAAMAAJ The Principles of Insect Physiology]'', by Wigglesworth (1947).  (Snippet views, but search for "polymorphism" and "Araschnia levana".)  In the 1984 edition of ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=fUsB_W4sp6kC Insect Physiology]'', Wigglesworth refers to castes in social insects and sexual/parthenogenetic variation in aphids as polymorphisms.

::This is what's commonly called the [[Map Butterfly]]. The trigger is indeed environmental: if pupae are cooled in their first 24 hours the spring variety develops; if not, the summer variety forms. Of course, it does have a genetic basis, and is polymorphic but not ''genetic'' polymorphism. That's why I chose the term ''heritable''. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 15:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

:Several of the papers in ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=jnffuNiGTgAC The Karoo: Ecological Patterns and Processes]'', edited by Dean and Milton (1999), refer to variation in seeds produced by ray flowers compared to disk flowers as polymorphism.  (The variations can include germination rates  and thus have similar flexibility advantages to some genetic polymorphisms.)

::Sorry, don't know enough about this to comment!

:''[http://books.google.com/books?id=nNov9ldCwRUC&pg=PA179 Insect Hormones]'', by Nijhout, mostly uses "polyphenism", but the two occurrences of "polymorphism" seem to refer to non-inheritable features.

::Now I find [[polyphenism]] is in WP! Will add to list above; thank you. The common theme seems to be discrete morphs triggered environmentally. The genetic basis has undergone selection; and therefore must be heritable. The system is polymorphic but not ''genetic'' polymorphism. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 15:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC) 

:''[http://books.google.com/books?id=3xklog5kVGMC&pg=PA40&vq=polymorphism&dq=%22polymorphism+aphids%22&sig=yFJz8bUgEwwqTfPTBt3HVx9d9rQ#PPA40,M1 Ecology: Individuals, Populations, and Communities]'', by Begon, Townsend, and Harper (which might be a good reference), defines polymorphism as variation and then specifically defines genetic polymorphism.

::The text on p40 actually uses the phrase ''selectively relevant variation'' (not simply 'variation') by which they mean variation with a genetic basis (otherwise it couldn't be selected). [[Variation]] is a much more general term; [[genetic variation]] and to a lesser extent [[genetic diversity]] come closer to what we're talking about, and I'll add the first to the list, too! [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 15:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC) 

:On the other hand, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=9aMwAAAAIAAJ Selected topics in Medical Genetics]'', by Clarke, specifically excludes seasonal variation as in ''Araschnia levana'' from the definition of polymorphism.

::The web extract suggests they are denying it the status of ''genetic'' polymorphism (to which I agree) and not discussing polymorphism generally. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 15:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

:I think this article is the place to be clear about the varying definitions in use.  In fact, "polymorphic" is polymorphic&mdash;though I hope there are no sympatric variations, that is, contradictory definitions in the same book.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 21:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Secondly, a distinction is needed between:

*stable polymorphism (called genetic or balanced polymorphism)—usually caused by [[heterozygote advantage]], sometimes by [[frequency-dependent selection]]—and
*transient polymorphism which occurs when one form sweeps another out of the population.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 18:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

:For sure.  By the way, Begon, Townsend, and Harper mentions an interesting type of transient but apparently balanced polymorphism: propagules from one region drifting into another.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 21:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Finally, I offer an expanded version of para 2 on the main page, which I'm hoping will stand up to your scrutiny!  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 16:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

====Next steps====

I propose expanding the examples section, and making clear what they are examples of; and making sure each of the distinctions above are illustrated by at least one example.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 19:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

:Sounds great.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 22:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

==My changes and other comments==
I don't think "an heritable" is generally accepted. The NSOED mentions "an" before "h" only if the first syllable is unaccented.
:"inheritable" maybe? [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 22:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:heritable is the basic term, and occurs in genetic literature as the general adjective. an before h is perfectly acceptable in GB; a before h also. Up to about 1950 the form 'an hotel' was almost universal in England; now one does see the alternative. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 13:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::I'd love to discuss this at length, in Talk if you're interested.  Thanks for making less of an issue of it than I did.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 22:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

If we're really not going to cover genetic polymorphisms, I think we have to change the name of this article to something like "Polymorphism (phenotypic)" and have a disambiguation page.  By the way, why are only "certain" variations in DNA considered polymorphisms?
:Oh but we should. Discuss what allele variants are, differential expression etc. In most cases a summary of main articles. But since polymorphism is something fixed (at least in the life of the individuum) and (usually) inheritable, it's obvious that genetics must be given its due space, methinks. And then you have things like [[Single nucleotide polymorphism]]s in normal/sickle hemoglobin of course. I think I remember the rule -of-thmb that 70-80% of polymorphism has a genetic base and most of the rest is epigenetic but still inborn (= fixed and possibly even heritable), e.g. by temperature.
:See for example [[Chromosomal polymorphism]], the intro line I love for its blunt to-the-pointness. We should co-opt it for here. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 22:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:Who says we're not going to cover genetic polymorphism? Not me, for sure. Genetic polymorphism '''is''' a type of phenotypic polymorphism; all polymorphism (but not all variation, note) is heritable, partly or wholly. I just wanted to stay on the phenotype side of the great phenotype/genotype divide. We are having enough trouble as it is! When you talk of SNPs &c you are talking about the genotype.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 13:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

:I meant "If we're not going to cover genotypic polymorphisms".  Sorry to be unclear.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 22:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Are opposing selection pressures really usually "powerful"?  I'd think that in a lot of obvious cases, such as blood types or human eye color or the jaguar fur color mentioned in the article, the selection pressures are pretty weak.
:They need to be powerful for polymorphism to gain an evolutionary trajectory. I.e., a stable polymorphism is at equilibrium regarding selective forces. Not for the individual, but for the population gene pool. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 22:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::Are there really powerful selection pressures on human eye color, or a personal favorite of mine, [[deuteranomaly]]?  It seems to me that a balance of weak selection pressures or no pressure at all could maintain polymorphism.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 22:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Deuteranomaly - now that's an idea for a userbox... Anyways, point in case I'd say. There is no strong selection against or for, hence it's roughly at equilibrium. As opposed to rod monochromacy which would not be as easy to shrug off, except when it's common and widespread (locally) as a [[Pingelap|result of drift]]. But that is also at about equilibrium level ('cause it's an old polymorphism), but, due to being quite more of a disadvantage, at a lower incidence except on Pingelap. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 02:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't get what you're driving at in the new paragraph in the Ecology section.  I'm not sure what the sentences have to do with each other, and it looks like it's saying that heterozygote advantage is the only cause of polymorphism.  But what about flexibility, where the different phenotypes have advantages in different situations?  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 22:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:The original short para was quite wrong to say:
:"The segregation of a population into morphs, especially if the morphs are, or become, reproductively isolated, could be thought of as a precursor to [[sympatric speciation]]."
:The populations we are discussing are '''not''' segregated! Nor isolated, reproductively or otherwise. ''The morphs are all part of an interbreeding group'', their phenotypes show discrete variations (that's why they got studied). So the issue of sympatry or otherwise is irrelevant. Of course, at any time, populations ''could'' become isolated, but that's another story.
::The original paragraph was from the former article "Morph (zoology)" and was about the two fish examples in the present article, in which the morphs still interbreed, but show some assortation.  (In the Arctic char example but not the brown trout example, they also segregate spatially.)
::Also, the article needs to mention frequency-dependent selection.  Also, what's the word for the mosquito example in the article?  The two phenotypes have advantages in different situations (different weather).  That doesn't seem to be either heterozygotic selection or frequency-dependent selection. &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] 22:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:I'm afraid the first para also needs changing; 'organisms of different types' is deeply ambiguous; remember that polymorphism is not a synonym for variation, and that the definitions in the intro now come close to standard usage.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 12:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

==Examples of polymorphisms==
Here we can collect papers about biological polymorphism, to use as references. You can find case examples easily by searching for "polymorph" and "animalia" ("plant", "aves", ...) on Wikipedia.

===Free fulltext available===
* Biol. J. Linn. Soc. 88: 475: Linkage disequilibrium between a melanin-based colour polymorphism and tail length in the barn owl. [http://www.unil.ch/bib/Download.do?id=http://davdoc.unil.ch%3A80%2Fgroups%2Fg%2Fgr%2Fgr-bib-admin%2Fbib%2Fbiol%2Fusers%2Faroulin1%2FBIB_13823A5F01F3.RoulinBiolJLinn2006.pdf]

* Biol. Rev. 79: The evolution, maintenance and adaptive function of genetic colour polymorphism in birds [http://www.unil.ch/bib/Download.do?id=http://davdoc.unil.ch%3A80%2Fgroups%2Fg%2Fgr%2Fgr-bib-admin%2Fbib%2Fbiol%2Fusers%2Faroulin1%2FBIB_A4267634BF11.Roulin_Biol.Rev.pdf]

* Evol. Ecol. Res. 7: 303: Trophic morphology, feeding performance and prey use in the polymorphic fish Herichthys minckleyi [http://www.biology.gatech.edu/faculty/todd-streelman/dhulsey/Hulseyetal_2005.pdf PDF]

* Heredity: 92: 156: Extreme polymorphism in a Y-linked sexually selected trait [http://www.zool.uzh.ch/static/research/vb_koenig/literatur/pdf2004/Lindholm_etal2004.pdf PDF]

* PNAS 98: 8985: A polymorphic dinucleotide repeat in the rat nucleolin gene forms Z-DNA and inhibits promoter activity [http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/98/16/8985.pdf PDF]
:Might be discussed in some of the [[DNA]] articles. The structural polymorphism is outside this article's scope, but the underlying dinucleoitide repeat polymorphism may be in.

* PNAS 101: 9009: Early events in speciation: Polymorphism for hybrid male sterility in Drosophila [http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0403106101v1.pdf PDF]

===Other/Not checked===
Free fulltexts may be available on authors' pages, journal Web sites, Google Scholar "All Versions", etc
* Biol. J. Linn. Soc. 61: 369: Novel colour polymorphisms in a hybrid zone of Mandarina (Gastropoda: Pulmonata)

* Biol. J. Linn. Soc. 86: 265: Asymmetric reproductive isolation among polymorphic salamanders

* Biotropica 6: 205: Adaptive Polymorphism Associated with Multiple Müllerian Mimicry in Heliconius numata (Lepid., Nymph.)

* Biology Letters 3: 169–172: Right-handed snakes: convergent evolution of asymmetry for functional specialization doi:10.1098/rsbl.2006.0600 [predator-driven maintenance of stable polymorphism]

* Ecology 84: 1441: Trophic polymorphism and behavioral differences decrease intra-specific competition in a cichlid, Herichthys minckleyi

* J. Ecol. 89: 749: Ecology of Fruit-Color Polymorphism in Myrtus communis and Differential Effects of Birds and Mammals on Seed Germination and Seedling Growth

* Green, DM, CW Zeyl & TF Sharbel. 1993. The evolution of hypervariable sex and supernumerary (B) chromosomes in the relict New Zealand frog, Leiopelma hochstetteri. ''J. Evol. Biol''. '''6''': 417:
:This is one paper that absolutely ''has'' to be in here eventually. Whoever can grab it, read it. This is too ''weird shite'' not to present to the public at large. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 23:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The folowing comes from the blog page of Christopher Taylor on blogger.com, so don't go putting it on the main article!! I've interspersed some thoughts which illustrate how even such an exciting example is probably not right for the article. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 12:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

"The strange relictual frog genus ''Leiopelma'' (the species ''Leiopelma archeyi'' is shown in a photo from the page of Dr. Bruce Waldman).

"''Leiopelma'' is a small genus of four living species restricted to New Zealand. They represent a basal grade of frogs of which the only other member is the "tailed frog" ''Ascaphus truei'' from western North America. ''Leiopelma'' and ''Ascaphus'' retain a number of primitive features that have been lost in other frogs, such nine vertebrae in front of the sacrum and tail-wagging muscles (though the 'tail' of male Ascaphus is actually the copulatory organ). ''Leiopelma'' also lack a tadpole stage in their life-cycle, hatching straight out into froglets.

"Of the four species living today, at least three have different methods of sex determination from each other. And within two of those species, there are even different populations that differ in their mode of sex determination!

"The most primitive state is perhaps that shown by ''Leiopelma archeyi'', in which most populations don't have distinguishable sex chromosomes. This is the condition in most amphibians, though it has been shown that even in taxa that don't have heteromorphic chromosomes, sex is still determined genetically (Hayes, 1998). However, a heteromorphic W sex chromosome has been recorded in one population of ''L. archeyi'' from Whareorino in the King Country (Green, 2002). [''ie a geographical race'' [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]]] In other features (including genetic features) the Whareorino ''L. archeyi'' are almost indistinguishable from Coromandel populations that lack the W chromosome.

"The Whareorino ''Leiopelma archeyi'' are therefore more like ''L. pakeka'' in sex differentiation. ''Leiopelma pakeka'' also has a female-ZW/male-ZZ set-up (Green, 1988). There is only a single population of ''L. pakeka'', restricted to Maud Island, which doesn't give much scope for variation [''Oh, yes it does! see main article'' [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]]].

"The species ''Leiopelma pakeka'' was recognised only recently (Bell et al., 1998). Previously it had been regarded as a population of the genetically distinct but morphologically almost identical ''L. hamiltoni'', and its genetic structure was described under the latter name. ''Leiopelma hamiltoni'' proper is uber-rare, with a population of less than 300 individuals restricted to less than one hectare of habitat on Stephens Island, and does not seem to have yet been investigated for sex chromosomes. [''either geographical races or distinct species'' [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 12:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)]

"The ultimate wierdness, however, comes when we look at ''Leiopelma hochstetteri''. Most populations of ''L. hochstetteri'' have a single sex chromosome in females, while males lack a sex chromosome. This female-0W/male-00 system is unique - no other animal has it. Not one. In fact, it's so bizarre that not even all ''L. hochstetteri'' have it - females of the population on Great Barrier Island lack the lonely W chromosome [''geog. var. again''. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]]], and like Coromandel ''L. archeyi'' this population does not have morphologically distinct sex chromosomes (Green, 1994). The Great Barrier population also lacks the non-sex-related supernumerary chromosomes (or "B" chromosomes) found in other populations (Green et al., 1993). B chromosomes are small, seemingly dispensable chromosomes that are found in a broad scattering of taxa. In species where they are found, numbers of B chromosomes can vary significantly within and between populations, probably because their lack of significant function means a lack of selective control on their propagation [if a genuine polymorphism then selection highly likely to be acting. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]]]. This variation is also seen in ''L. hochstetteri'', where up to 15 B chromosomes were found in individuals of five different populations [this could be a genuine polymorphism: needs further research. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]]]. The variation in chromosomes between populations is shown below in a figure from Green (1994).

"So how did all this come about? I am not aware of any other group of closely-related organisms showing this much variation in so few species. However, it is possible to imagine ZW chromosomes evolving through differentiation of morphologically indistinct sex-determining chromosomes, and this is what appears to have occurred in ''Leiopelma pakeka'' and Whareorino ''L. archeyi''. ''Leiopelma hamiltoni'' appears to be more closely related to ''L. archeyi'' than ''L. pakeka'' (Bell et al., 1998), so it would be very interesting to know whether or not it has distinct sex chromosomes.

"As for ''Leiopelma hochstetteri'', the sister taxon to all other ''Leiopelma'', phylogenetic analysis of chromosome characters shows that the Great Barrier population, without the extra W chromosome, is probably sister to all other populations. Green et al. (1993) suggest that the 0W/00 system could evolved from a ZW/ZZ system. Either the Z chromosome may have been lost, or (as the authors of the latter study think more likely) it could have been duplicated, giving a ZZW/ZZ pattern that would be karyotypically indistinguishable from 0W/00."

REFERENCES

Bell, B. D., C. H. Daugherty & J. M. Hay. 1998. ''Leiopelma pakeka'', n. sp. (Anura: Leiopelmatidae), a cryptic species of frog from Maud Island, New Zealand, and a reassessment of the conservation status of ''L. hamiltoni'' from Stephens Island. Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand 28 (1): 39-54.

Green, D. M. 1988. Heteromorphic sex chromosomes in the rare and primitive frog ''Leiopelma hamiltoni'' from New Zealand. Journal of Heredity 79 (3): 165-169.

Green, D. M. 1994. Genetic and cytogenetic diversity in Hochstetter's frog, ''Leiopelma hochstetteri'', and its importance for conservation management. New Zealand Journal of Zoology 21: 417-424.

Green, D. M. 2002. Chromosome polymorphism in Archey's frog (''Leiopelma archeyi'') from New Zealand. Copeia 2002 (1): 204-207.

Green, D. M., & D. C. Cannatella. 1993. Phylogenetic significance of the amphicoelous frogs, Ascaphidae and Leiopelmatidae. Ecol. Ethol. Evol. 5: 233-245.

Green, D. M., C. W. Zeyl & T. F. Sharbel. 1993. The evolution of hypervariable sex and supernumerary (B) chromosomes in the relict New Zealand frog, ''Leiopelma hochstetteri''. Journal of Evolutionary Biology 6 (3): 417-441.

Hay, J. M., I. Ruvinsky, S. B. Hedges & L. R. Maxson. 1995. Phylogenetic relationships of amphibian families inferred from DNA sequences of mitochondrial 12S and 16S ribosomal RNA genes. Molecular Biology and Evolution 12 (5): 928-937.

Hayes, T. B. 1998. Sex determination and primary sex differentiation in amphibians: Genetic and developmental mechanisms. Journal of Experimental Zoology 281 (5): 373-399.

[end of excerpt. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 12:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)]

* J. Roy. Soc. New. Zeal. 33: 715: Phylogeographic genetic analysis of the alpine weta, ''Hemideina maori'': evolution of a colour polymorphism and origins of a hybrid zone

* New. Zeal. J. Zool. 22: 393: Hybridisation of tree weta on Banks Peninsula, New Zealand, and colour polymorphism within ''Hemideina ricta'' (Orthoptera: Stenopelmatidae)

* J. Zool. 245: 245: Polymorphism, mating preferences and sexual selection in the Arctic Skua

* Proc. Roy. Soc. B 175: 255: Polymorphism and Behaviour in the Arctic Skua (Stercorarius parasiticus (L))

* J. Zool. 249: 411: Plumage polymorphism of red-footed boobies (Sula sula) in the western Indian Ocean: an indicator of biogeographic isolation.

* J. Zool. 264: 391: Pigmentation polymorphism in the invasive amphipod Dikerogammarus villosus: some insights into its maintenance
:''[[Dikerogammarus villosus]]'' ought to get an article BTW. I won't tough them, they're mere duck food. But I hear the name quite often these days.

Web extract of above paper is presented below:

"Pigmentation polymorphism in the invasive amphipod Dikerogammarus villosus: some insights into its maintenance

S. Devin a1c1, L. Bollache a2, J.-N. Beisel a1, J.-C. Moreteau a1 and M.-J. Perrot-Minnot a2

a1 Laboratoire Biodiversité et Fonctionnement des Ecosystèmes (LBFE), Université de Metz, Campus Bridoux, Avenue du Général Delestraint, 57070 Metz, France
a2 Equipe Ecologie Evolutive, UMR CNRS 5561 Biogéosciences, Université de Bourgogne, 6 boulevard Gabriel, 21000 Dijon, France 

Abstract

''Dikerogammarus villosus'', a freshwater invasive amphipod, exhibits conspicuous pigmentation polymorphism. This polymorphism is documented in two recently colonized areas, the Saône and Moselle rivers (north-eastern France), and some of the mechanisms by which pigmentation polymorphism can arise and be maintained are addressed. Body size, reproductive status, fecundity and mate choice are compared among morphs of ''D. villosus'' in field samples collected in summer 2001. Body size and female gonad developmental stage were comparable among the different morphs, suggesting that polymorphism is not the result of changes in pigmentation with age or moult-cycle. Fecundity and reproductive status (paired vs non-paired) were not affected by pigmentation morph either. A random combination of morphs in pre-copula pairs was observed, showing that the colour pattern does not play a major role in mate choice. A strong size-assortative pairing was found, and this pattern was similar among male morphs. Overall, our study shows that morph polymorphism is not related to different stages in the moult cycle or the life cycle, and is not maintained by morph-assortative pairing. Alternative explanations to the mate choice hypothesis for the maintenance of pigmentation polymorphism are discussed." [''my comment is as follows: this is a genuine example of p/morphism, but it is quite undeveloped in research terms, and does not compare well with the examples in the article. In particular, how the morphism relates to the ecology is not known, and how it is maintained genetically or otherwise is not known''. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 13:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)]



* Nature 378: 95: Genetic Polymorphism for Alternate Mating Behaviour in Lekking Male Ruff Philomachus pugnax
:A classic.

* New Zeal. J. Zool. 21: 417: Genetic and cytogenetic diversity in Hochstetter's frog, Leiopelma hochstetteri, and its importance for conservation management

* Science 243 643: A Diet-Induced Developmental Polymorphism in a Caterpillar

===Wikipedia articles===
* [[RFLP]] - technique based on genetic polymorphism due to point mutation. Latter if it survives for generations results in a new allele can be significant in evolution (sickle cell hemoglobin, melanin production y/n etc)
* [[Genetic fingerprinting]] - utilizes genetic polymorphism that is of little evolutionary significane if at all.
* [[Chromosomal polymorphism]]

==Other examples==
Polymorphisms in the [[scarlet tiger moth]] and in the African [[Papilio|swallowtail]] ''[[Papilio]] dardanus'' (in which one of the eight races has 13 morphs)<ref>{{cite book | last = Price | first = Peter Wilfrid | year = 1997 | title = Insect Ecology | publisher = John Wiley & Sons | location = New York | id = {{ISBN|0-471-16184-5}} | page = 414 | url = http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0471161845 | accessdate = 2007-03-24}}</ref> have been the subjects of considerable ecological and genetic study.

The predatory [[mosquito]] ''[[Chaoborus americanus]]'' has two larval morphs, one large, yellow, and quick to develop; the other small, pale, and slow to develop. The larvae overwinter, and the polymorphism is an adaptation to unpredictable spring weather. The fast-developing larvae do well in warm springs, but die off in springtime freezes, whereas the slow-developing ones do well in springs with freezes. Many other insects with polymorphisms in development and dormancy are known.<ref>{{cite book | last = Nechols | first = J. R. | coauthors = Tauber, M. J.; Tauber, C. A.; Masaki, S. | year = 1999 | title = Ecological Entomology | chapter = Chapter 6—Adaptations to Hazardous Seasonal Conditions: Dormancy, Migrations, and Polyphemism | editor = Carl B. Huffaker, Andrew Paul Gutierrez | publisher = John Wiley & Sons | edition = 2nd edition | pages = p. 190 | id = {{ISBN|0-471-24483-X}}}}</ref>

A possible example of behavioral polymorphism is that [[Fish migration|anadromous]] individuals of [[brown trout]] (''Salmo trutta'' morpha ''trutta'') may occur [[Sympatric speciation|sympatrically]] with a stream-resident ones (''Salmo trutta'' morpha ''fario''). The two morphs are part of the same species and ''may'' interbreed [http://www.edpsciences.org/articles/alr/abs/2005/01/alr42/alr42.html]; are they polymorphic?. To be accepted as polymorphic it is essential that they are part of the same interbreeding population; otherwise they must be considered as [[parapatric]] variants. Frequently, the likelihood of interbreeding is reduced because the morphs also have distinct [[Biological reproduction|reproductive]] behaviours such as variance in timing or in the selection of sites for reproduction; this argues for parapatric geographical variation.  

The segregation of a species into sympatric morphs often can be thought of as a mechanism for the partitioning of available [[Natural resource|resources]]. An example of this might be certain [[lacustrine]] [[Arctic char]] populations which segregate into [[Lake#Limnology|planktivorous and piscivorous]] morphs within the same lake. However, this example is probably also parapatric variation rather than true polymorphism.

Other polymorphisms are detectable only in the laboratory. An example is that several enzymes (e.g., [[phosphoglucomutase]]) taken from different individuals move with different speeds when exposed to an electric field ([[electrophoresis]]).

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==Questions in the article==

Why are there questions in the article? Encyclopedias provide answers not questions. The article needs a rewrite. [[User:83.147.180.185|83.147.180.185]] 20:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:Look at this page. The rewrite is in full swing. You should have seen this... thing... half a year ago! ;-) [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 02:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


== Intro clarification ==
When I wrote 'Polymorphism is both caused and modified by selection', this got changed to eliminate the 'caused'. So I've tried to make it clear. First, polymorphism doesn't just happen; it comes about by means of natural selection because of its fitness in the given ecological situation. The existence of genetic features like strong linkage between alleles (super-genes) is no accident! It reveals the existence of previous selection in favour of the polymorphism.

Now, I don't want to say all this in an intro, but I do want to convey the idea that the existence of polymorphism in a species is no accident. Hence the present wording. I'm open to comments from regular readers; some of this is difficult stuff, and took some very bright people much of their careers to figure out. So, as on many science articles, we want to be understood, whilst nevertheless being accurate.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 16:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

==Some restructuring required==
Hi, firstly I'm gratified that this article is developing and I offer my encouragement to the contributing editors to keep up the good work.

As a ''non-specialist'' in the field, I would expect the lead to give an over view, and subsequent sections to give expansion of details. This doesnt seem to be the case.

Also I feel if you want to have a section titled ''What polymorphism is not'', it should be preceded by a section titled ''What polymorphism is'' which lays down the basis of polymorphism in greater detail than the lead and also points towards the sections which follow on additional subtopics. After this section, you may have the section on ''What polymorphism is not'' or it may be placed after the additional subtopics are dealt with.

A logical structure would help the article, which is difficult to comprehend exactly for the lay reader, become easier to understand.

[[User:AshLin|AshLin]] 15:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


*Well, thank you for the comments. A general reader is indeed entitled to some straightforward statements that make it clear what the page is about, and I've rewitten the first few paras with that in mind. I have been rather buried in the examples, too much, perhaps. 

*At the same time, the page does need to use terminology from genetics and evolutionary studies, though, naturally, as little as we can get away with. The history of the discussion before the present editing suggested that the 'What polymorphism is not' section was very much needed before we get to the examples.

*The heart of the page is really in the examples, which are brief summaries of some fascinating situations. They might tempt readers to investigate further, and even to take a closer look at nature in the wild!

*You don't mention the really strange thing about this page is its location in Medicine and Cell & Molecular Biology, neither of which is really central to the content!! There is going to be something on chromosome polymorphism, which hopefully will keep the cell biologists happy; and I suppose one could make a huge list of human polymorphisms... 

[[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 15:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

== Tidying up ==
I've moved the Other Examples section in the Main page to this Talk page. This is not a judgement that we should have no more examples, but a recognition that as they were these examples were not suitably developed, and some were probably not for this page. 
[[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 15:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

==Genes and phenes, again==
There is a recent book on the topic of natural variation and polymorphisms, which serves to show that no strict dividing line between genetic and phenotypic polymorphisms can be drawn and how every polymorphism has an underlying molecular component, whether that is "genetic" in the strict sense (= hereditary), genetically imprinted during development (= inborn but not inherited) or flexibly adapted during an organism's life (oystercatcher billtip morphology - the "probing", "chiseling" and "cutting" phenotypes) which are not genetical in the strict sense but have their underlying metabolical - and ultimately genetical - pathway.

The book is:

Benedikt Hallgrímsson and Brian K. Hall, editors (2005): ''Variation – A Central Concept in Biology''. Elsevier Academic Press, Burlington. {{ISBN|0-12-088777-0}} http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/705523/description

[[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] ([[User talk:Dysmorodrepanis|talk]]) 15:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for the ref; I agree with the two editors that variation is a central concept in biology. But I'm not quite sure what your point is; paras 4 and 5 of the intro do say clearly that polymorphism has a genetic basis.

:There is certainly a place for other articles not at present in WP: an obvious example is

:[[Variation (biology)]] -- which redirects to a disambiguation, but not to a substantive article

:This present article is in a fairly stable condition; it does what it says on the tin (the intro) and it is supported by more than adequate references. Which is more than can be said for most articles!  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 17:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I noted. It has been good work, a major effort. The issue had been disputed initially (how much genetics should be in), so I just wanted to mention this source because it could wrap up some points. Content is stable, someone might go over it cpyediting it for style and consistency and it might even be suggested for GA. I certainly would not call it B-class anymore. What do you think? [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] ([[User talk:Dysmorodrepanis|talk]]) 20:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Well; that's a thought. I'm not sure I really know the procedure; I have noticed that articles seem to get stuck on 'B' and never seem to get to 'A'! GA is maybe what people go for. How does one go about it?  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 21:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

:The only thing I've done is ask at the relevant project's talk page for a rerating.  And I've done that only once or twice, for bird articles, so I don't know how it will work for the projects that have rated this article.  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]]  [[User talk:JerryFriedman|(Talk)]] 17:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:Wait, I think I misunderstood you as looking for an A rating.  For the GA procedure go to [[Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations]], which will direct you first to [[Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria]].  &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]]  [[User talk:JerryFriedman|(Talk)]] 18:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Comment on DNA polymorphisms ==

As explained earlier, this page should not try extend itself to cover DNA morphism.
:1 because that breaks the phenotype/genotype conceptual boundary.
:2 because this article is mostly about visible morphism.
:3 because this article is already overfull.

DNA morphism deserves a ''separate'' article, and I urge molecular guys to set it up (already [[SNP]]s and [[RFLP]]s have articles). Don't put DNA concepts into this article, which is now coherent and sufficient! [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 13:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:In that case this article might need a different name, as DNA polymorphisms are certainly part of biology. What would be a better name? &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]]  [[User talk:JerryFriedman|(Talk)]] 17:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

::The p/m (biology) was just a way of disambiguating, nothing more; but I can appreciate it may cause the thought of SNPs to cross users' minds! The article's content comes mostly from ecological genetics. I'm in favour of DNA p/m having a place in biology WP, why not an article of its own? To try and do the DNA p/m at the same time would a) make the article more difficult to comprehend, b) make the loading and editing slower and more unwieldy. <br>Renaming is a good idea, I think. I would rather see the page called, for instance, ''Polymorphism (ecogenetics)'' than have it grow even more complex. We could do that just by moving it to the new title. How does that strike you?  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 18:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

:::I think I'd prefer ''Polymorphism (ecology and genetics)'' as using more familiar words.  Otherwise it sounds like a good plan.  Maybe there should be a "polymorphism (biology)" disambiguation, or maybe this should be handled on the present disambiguation page.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]] ([[User talk:JerryFriedman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JerryFriedman|contribs]]) 21:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::This written before your comment arrived: Other titles might be considered: morphism instead of polymorphism, or ecology instead of ecogenetics. The content overlaps with the [[balancing selection]] stub, which is in poor shape; somehow that title emphasises the abstract (selection} instead of the concrete (polymorphism).  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 21:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

::Your ''Polymorphism (ecology and genetics)'' has the advantage of describing the contents accurately, but it's a handful to type out every time someone wants to refer to it, or a user to search for it.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 21:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Heterogenous / heterogeneous ==

These spelling alternatives can be irritating, but here is the thing: both spellings are correct, both are accepted in major dictionaries. The word has two roots: hetero- (= different) and gen(e)ous (= type). The second part is the same root as ''genus'', and I think simplicity requires we go for the shorter word, which is also easier to pronounce. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 15:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:And furthermore, computer spellcheckers should not supersede research in major dictionaries.  [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 15:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::A very good point. I suggest you take it up with the team at [[Wikipedia:AWB/T|AWB]], as even if I was to undo my edit the next time anyone else using AWB browsed the page it would simply get changed back again. Also it should be noted in this context the word is clearly being used as an (acceptable) alternate spelling of [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/heterogeneous heterogeneous] and not as [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/heterogenous heterogenous] as used in genetics, which actually has a slightly different meaning. [[User:Colincbn|Colincbn]] ([[User talk:Colincbn|talk]]) 01:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

== Polymorphic male ants? ==

The section [[Polymorphism (biology)#Ants]] surprises me by claiming that polymorphism is more common among male ants than among the females. It also claims that there are non-reproductive male ants. Recalling that all I've read about ants was to the effect that the (haploid!) males' sole task in the colonies is reproductive, i find this rather confusing. Could "male" possibly be a misprint for "female"? If there is ''any'' polymorphism in male ants (apart from them taking part in the sexual dimorphism), I'd like to see a reference, or a wp link.

Regards, [[User:JoergenB|JoergenB]] ([[User talk:JoergenB|talk]]) 18:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, that seems right; change made. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 20:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

== Newcomers start here... ==

The article sets out to connect a certain kind of variation visible in the field with its evolutionary origin (so far as that is known). <br>The inclusion of terminology from genetics, ecology, field observations and evolutionary studies, led to editors finding this a most challenging topic. <br>To make it more comprehensible, a number of techniques were used, most obviously a series of examples from a variety of living organisms. Great care was taken over the definitions, and the occurrence of a few questions in the text and the sub-section 'What polymorphism is not' all had the same motive. The content is based entirely on reliable references from published work.

The key issue addressed by this field of research is, ''why do clearly distinct forms exist'' in a panmictic (freely interbreeding) population? It was a question Darwin was unable to answer, and which took fifty years of research in the 20th century to clarify.

[[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 11:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Too many changes recently ==

Too many changes have been made, many with little justification, though some changes are improvements.

1. In general, when articles are well established and  supported with reliable and relevant references, the article should not be changed in a major way without prior discussion on this page. That's what this page is for.

2. To think "I'd have put that differently" is no basis for change. An established article has already been read by several experienced editors, some of whom may be well-qualified to judge the topic in question. The bias for such an article should be to ''leave it alone'', except to correct obvious errors or make well-justified additions.

3. With technical material DO NOT CHANGE KEY DEFINITIONS and explanations without 1. consulting reference works and 2. discussing on this talk page. Especially, don't make changes if you don't have access to the appropriate reference works. 

As a generalisation, WP suffers from too many changes to articles, though anyone who tries to make constructive improvements deserves respect. It's just that there's a way to go about it which leads to good results. That way is to do less, more carefully, and discuss first. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 04:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

==Reason of "too many changes"==
Sorry for not discussing first. Thought article was inactive for long time.  
My goal was not merely a matter of putting it differently but to make the article more compact and approachable to the average person while presenting all the technical details thoroughly. In general my intention was to build upon the work of the previous contributors. Many facts seemed to be repeated over and over. 

Some structural adjustments I may propose:

===Genetic polymorhism===
The term is so important it deserves it's own subsection. Since the word "genetic" is there, one understands it's about "Genetics". The mechanisms also very important and a good presentation can clarify the connection between other terms such as [[balancing selection]], [[heterozygote advantage]], etc. 

"Genetic polymorphism is the simultaneous occurrence in the same locality of two or more discontinuous forms in such proportions that the rarest of them cannot be maintained just by recurrent mutation."

"simultaneous occurence" and "same locality" needless since we are talking about morphs. The terminology section clarifies these attributes and they don't need to be mentioned again. When I added "by recurrent mutation '''or immigration'''" I consulted the referenced book (Begon, Townsend, Harper) which in turn references Ford.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rickproser|Rickproser]] ([[User talk:Rickproser|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rickproser|contribs]]) 13:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*[[Heterozygote advantage]]

Currently the description given fails to present a brief and simple explanation of the phenomenon. I merely simplified and cited the definition from the main article. 

[[heterosis]]? This does not seem to be equivalent to [[heterozygote advantage]]. I took the synonym "Overdominant selection" from article [[Balancing selection]], assuming it was properly rendered.--[[User:Rickproser|Rickproser]] ([[User talk:Rickproser|talk]]) 13:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

:I see your intentions are good, but is your grasp of the technical issues adequate for the highly ambitious changes you are making? ''Heterosis'' and ''heterozygous advantage'' mean the same thing, even though this may not be clear from the linked pages. I have inserted a direct quote from a world authority on that particular point. <br>If you are not familiar with such things, you might pause (and pause again!) before making drastic changes. Incidentally, web pages and other WP articles are not authorities for the purpose of reference; they are written by different people, and have varied standards. Though I wouldn't say the heterosis and het. adv. pages are poor, they certainly aren't good enough, and you shouldn't rely on them. Every reference I have put in (and that's virtually all of them) has been both read and checked. The one thing that can't be sacrificed on these technical pages is accuracy, and that can only be guaranteed by sticking close to reliable published sources. That's not just my opinion; it's official WP policy.<br> [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 13:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:: Fair enough. I can see why we should begin by perfecting the "important" and popular articles and then use these as references to other entries. However, if you asked me to grade [[Polymorphism (biology)]] when I first saw it I would definitely give it lower than B. Cheers.

== Polymorphism (biology) = Genetic polymorphism ==

In the context of evolutionary biology polymorphism has a very specific meaning. In this article the definition is kind of sloppy and confusing. The article distinguishes between polymorphism and genetic polymorphism while the terms are identical as far as genetics and biology is concerned. We must incorporate all the information into a universal, comprehensive and concise definition. Here is a proposal for the intro:

'''Polymorphism''' or '''genetic polymorphism''' in the context of evolutionary biology is the occurrence in equilibrium of two or more distinctly different phenotypes within a population of a species, in other words, the occurrence of more than one '''form''' or '''morph'''.  The frequency of these discontinuous forms is too high to be explained by mutation. In order to be classified as such, morphs must occupy the same habitat at the same time and belong to a panmictic population.  Polymorphism is actively and steadily maintained in populations of species by natural selection (sexual dimorphism, human blood groups) in contrast to '''transient polymorphisms''' where conditions in a habitat change in such a way that a “form” is being replaced completely by another. 

The term differs from polyphenism where an individual's genetic make-up allows for different morphs, and the switch mechanism that determines which morph is shown is environmental. Ants exhibit both types. The term is also used somewhat differently in molecular biology to describe certain point mutations in the genotype, such as SNPs (see also RFLPs). This usage is not discussed in this article.

Polymorphism is common in nature; it is related to biodiversity, genetic variation, adaptation and is heritable. 
The most common example is sexual dimorphism in higher organisms, which retains diversity by the process of genetic recombination. Other examples are mimetic forms of butterflies (see mimicry), and human blood types.
--[[User:Rickproser|Rickproser]] ([[User talk:Rickproser|talk]]) 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Discussion about language ==
:I appreciate the importance and difficulty of presenting accurate information in an accessible format, but I still find the use of rhetorical questions inappropriate in tone. It seems improper for an encyclopaedia to directly address its audience. There are important and profound questions in the field, I'm sure, but they don't need to be directed directly at the reader. I feel that these questions could probably be rephrased without any loss of meaning or clarity. For example:

::"Debate has tended to centre round the question: Could the component genes in a super-gene have started off on separate chromosomes, with subsequent reorganization, or is it necessary for them to start on the same chromosome?"

:easily becomes:

::"Debate has tended to centre round the question of whether the component genes in a super-gene could have started off on separate chromosomes, with subsequent reorganization, or if it is necessary for them to start on the same chromosome."

:Not only does this avoid directly addressing the reader; it is also slightly more formal, in my view. Similarly, but perhaps a little less satisfactorily:

::"So research into sexual dimorphism has been pursued at two levels: 1. What is the advantage of sex in evolutionary terms? 2. What is the role of visible sexual differentiation?"

:becomes:

::"Research into sexual dimorphism has therefore been pursued on two levels: the advantage of sex in evolutionary terms, and the role of visible sexual differentiation."

:Beyond the questions, sentences such as the following are a little too informal for my tastes:

::"We meet genetic polymorphism daily, since our species (like most other eukaryotes) uses sexual reproduction, and of course, the sexes are differentiated."

:Firstly, although the authors are obviously human, making reference to "we" as humans (or "we" at all) gives an impression of subjectivity, which is not desirable in an encyclopaedia. Secondly, "of course" presumes that the reader agrees with the claim. Almost if not all readers will, but it is not the place of an encyclopaedia to make such assumptions, I think. Besides, people come to encyclopaedias to find out things they don't know, and if things they do know have to be mentioned for clarity's sake, they don't need to be told that they know it. Unfortunately, restructuring this sentence is less straightforward than the previous example, and a solution does not immediately leap out at me. Still, it can surely be done.

:I don't mean to be harsh or tread on anyone's toes with any of this. I just mean to say that, from a purely stylistic point of view (I am anything but an expert on the subject in question), this article could benefit from a little work in places. I understand your protectiveness, and suggest that any rewrites follow the content and structure of the existing text as much as possible, while tweaking it into a more fitting style. A lot of work has clearly gone into this article, but as long as all of that is preserved in any edits, I think it can be improved still further.

:— [[User:TheJames|TheJames]] ([[User talk:TheJames|talk]]) 12:45, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 
I moved this to a new heading for visibility. It's a topic that deserves a response. I'd like to start by mentioning how much prose style has changed over the years: how encyclopaedias, newspapers, novels, even the scientific journal ''Nature'' has changed. The 'voice' of ''Nature'' today is much more direct and accessible than it was in 1960. The ''Times'' newspaper is also quite different; so is the ''Encyclopedia Britannica''. They all use a style of writing which would have been thought far too demotic for a respectable publication. Now, an encyclopedia on the web has a need to be understood by a vast, disparate readership of different ages and educational levels. Above all, on difficult scientific topics we need to be understood. If I'm protective of my methods, it's because I think direct language is easier to understand than indirect.

On the specific examples, I think the first looks good your way. I have no objection to it. On the second, the original version is much better. The alternative seems turgid, bordering on pompous. The third you don't offer an alternative, but I see nothing wrong with the original. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 15:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== White-throated sparrow ==

Should this article mention the remarkable chromosome-rearrangement dimorphism of the [[White-throated Sparrow]], in which almost all matings are between birds of different morphs?  Or does that violate the requirement that the population be panmictic? &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]]  [[User talk:JerryFriedman|(Talk)]] 04:20, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:That's a nice example, and thank you for it. We have a rather similar example in 'Darwin's finch' ''Geospiza conirostris'' on Isla Genovesa. <br/>On panmixia, in my opinion these arrangements don't break the requirement, they simply maintain the polymorphism. Although ''literally'' panmixia means every individual in a population has an equal chance of mating with every other individual of the opposite sex, it never holds absolutely for any natural population. [I know you know this, I just mention it for newcomers] <br/>There are degrees of panmixia. What the requirement means is that gene flow between different parts of a range is sufficient to prevent the species or population breaking down into separate sub-populations. If anything, the requirement to mate with another morph should tend to keep heterozygosity high. <br/>Anyway, coming back to birds, it becomes a question of how many examples we should put into the article. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 17:52, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Well, both the [[Large Cactus Finch]] and the White-throated Sparrow examples have features that aren't discussed elsewhere in the article; the finch's dimorphism expands its feeding niche and the sparrow's is partly maintained by dissortative mating.  (There also seems to be some selection for heterozygosity, according to Birds of North America Online.) Maybe an added section on the White-throated Sparrow could be short&mdash;though a lot is known about it&mdash;and maybe some other sections could be shortened.
::Thanks for clarifying my understanding of panmixia, by the way. &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]]  [[User talk:JerryFriedman|(Talk)]] 01:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Done. ~2,200 bytes & worth it. The genetics is not easy reading, but what can one do? [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 17:58, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  I agree that it's worth it!  I was bold and removed some of that difficult genetics, adding some more material about how the polymorphism is maintained.  Also, I didn't see the need for two picture of the TS morph.  Finally, I think it could be moved to right after the section on chromosome polymorphism in ''Drosophila'', before chromosome polymorphism in general. &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]]  [[User talk:JerryFriedman|(Talk)]] 19:07, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Maybe the chromosome details should go at [[White-throated Sparrow]]. &mdash;[[User:JerryFriedman|JerryFriedman]]  [[User talk:JerryFriedman|(Talk)]] 21:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== Great Ape Project/Human-Chimpanzee Blood Transfusion ==

The last two sentences of the first paragraph of the section "Ecology" cite [[Great Ape Project]] as its source.  I have already removed [[Great Ape Project]]'s paragraph on the claims that humans can receive chimpanzee blood transfusions because its source was no longer available.  That section (and more) had already been justly removed before.  
I'm no expert on the topic, but I'd imagine that sort of truth to be easily discovered on a popular search engine.  I will have acted as compelled.  [[User:Humicroav|Humicroav]] ([[User talk:Humicroav|talk]]) 05:34, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

== suggested merger ==

Could the pages [[genetic diversity]] and [[genetic variation]] be merged into this one, with redirects? Those other pages cover closely related ground, but are not as good.[[User:Joannamasel|Joannamasel]] ([[User talk:Joannamasel|talk]]) 23:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

:Well, on the one hand I agree that those two pages -- especially genetic variation -- are rather weak, I don't think it would be easy to include DNA polymorphism into a page which has deliberately avoided that subject. One factor is that the polymorphism page is already too long. The other is that the examples chosen all have an ecological dimension, living things in the field, so to speak. The definitions in the two pages you refer to, such as "Gene Diversity is the proportion of polymorphic loci across the genome", are perfectly sensible for readers interested in population genetics, but not so meaningful for those interested in ecological genetics. I have thought all along that someone (preferably working in the field) should write a page on DNA polymorphism. Ecological genetics studies the small proportion of DNA and chromosome polymorphs for which evidence of their balance under selection is available. Even for human DNA polymorphisms we do not understand most of their functions in the body. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] ([[User talk:Macdonald-ross|talk]]) 19:36, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

::Fair enough, I guess separate pages are called for, and a good start would be redirecting genetic variation, as the weaker of the two, to genetic diversity. [[User:Joannamasel|Joannamasel]] ([[User talk:Joannamasel|talk]]) 19:45, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

== Still greatly confused by the lede. ==

Much of the lede seems to me intuitively to be "all wrong". For example, some species of [[Hydrangea]] will bear different colours depending on the pH of the soil in which it's planted. So you take a plant with flowers of one colour, change the pH of its soil, and next year the flowers will be the other colour, and that works in the same way with every Hydrangaea plant of that species. It's all the one plant species, but it can appear in two phenotypes, so this appears to satisfy the definition of polymorphism, even though you can change from one to another at will. That "seems" wrong. Where is my misunderstanding?
[[User:Old wombat|Old_Wombat]] ([[User talk:Old wombat|talk]]) 06:44, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

== A "superexample" ? ==

Being well aware of the dangers of having too many examples, I am suggesting the inclusion of this paragraph because it is a "superexample" (my term): a generic "class" of example of which there can be many sub-types, of which I have included only two (flower and birds). I accept that there may be other, better examples; please feel free to counter-offer. Here is my suggested paragraph.


Coloration.

In an enormous number of species, ranging from birds, to plants, to invertebrates, there are morphs distinguished only, or mainly, by differences in either color or pattern or both. The degree of variation is especially large in commercial varieties of a species in which the color is the focus of attention.

A huge number of species of flowering plants have morphs that differ only in color of the petals. Examples are far too numerous to list, but perhaps the best known might be the [[Rose]]. Many species of birds have become well-known because of the variety of their plumage, such as the [[Budgerigar]] and the [[Gouldian Finch]].



Over to everyone for comments.
[[User:Old wombat|Old_Wombat]] ([[User talk:Old wombat|talk]]) 08:00, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

== Very thorough article ==

In this article I learned that polymorphisms are a very important aspect of evolution. Polymorphisms are important because they occur when populations contain multiple phenotypes for a specific trait. I particularly enjoyed reading the section on human polymorphisms, as I found them most relatable with my career aspiration as a surgeon. It was also really cool to learn that different phenotypes have different strengths and weaknesses, such as certain blood types being more resistant to certain diseases or that some humans are genetically able or unable to taste certain substances. This article really ties into evolutionary biology because it shows that having multiple phenotypes present in a population to a large degree has an effect on how natural selection acts in a population. For example, heterozygotes for sickle cell anemia have a higher fitness as they are more resistant to malaria. Because of this, homozygotes tend to not survive and reproduce as much as heterozygotes because they are more susceptible to malaria or they have sickle cell anemia. I thought the article was well organized and had many examples, making it very easy for anyone to understand what exactly a polymorphism is. However, there were some aspects of the article, such as lactose tolerance and mhc molecules, that could use a bit more depth. Those topics don't really state much more than that those genes are polymorphic; it doesn't say how they are polymorphic. The only other thing I would suggest adjusting would be to consider adding a few more pictures of different polymorphisms of the organisms in question in the article; this would make the article easier to read and understand the descriptions of the different phenotypes provided in the text.
[[User:Weightedswim94|Weightedswim94]] ([[User talk:Weightedswim94|talk]]) 00:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

== Informative article ==


I learned that polymorphism relates to evolution very closely since polymorphism results from evolutionary processes by natural selection. What I liked about this article was that starting with the terminology of “polymorphism” and explaining the examples of polymorphism so that the readers can understand what the polymorphism is. It was definitely helpful to see the examples for the various parts of polymorphism. What I want to adjust is to explain more about the investigative methods of polymorphism. The author listed the investigative methods but did not explain specific. If the explanation of the listed methods are added, it would be more helpful to understand how scientists find out the polymorphism of the organisms. [[User:Jihyek13|Jihyek13]] ([[User talk:Jihyek13|talk]]) 00:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

== Useful Articles on Rainbow Skink Polymorphism ==

FORSMAN, A. and SHINE, R. (1995), The adaptive significance of colour pattern polymorphism in the Australian scincid lizard Lampropholis delicata. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 55: 273–291. doi: 10.1111/j.1095-8312.1995.tb01066.x

Parallel Geographic Variation in Body Shape and Reproductive Life History within the Australian Scincid Lizard Lampropholis delicata
A. Forsman and R. Shine Functional Ecology Vol. 9, No. 6 (Dec., 1995) , pp. 818-828 Published by: British Ecological Society Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2389979

Phylogeographic divergence in the widespread delicate skink (Lampropholis delicata) corresponds to dry habitat barriers in eastern Australia
David G Chapple, Conrad J Hoskin, Stephanie NJ Chapple and Michael B Thompson,BMC Evolutionary Biology 2011, 11:191  doi:10.1186/1471-2148-11-191

MATHER, P. B. and HUGHES, J. M. (1992), Genetic variation in three species in the Lampropholis delicata (Lacertilia: Scincidae) complex. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 47: 135–146. doi: 10.1111/j.1095-8312.1992.tb00660.x  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Anon 2214|Anon 2214]] ([[User talk:Anon 2214|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anon 2214|contribs]]) 04:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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{{Substituted comment|length=637|lastedit=20070912141352|comment=The article on polymorhism (biology) is quite hard for a layman to understand. After receiving a Pathology report mentioning ..." with polymorphs and fungal elements" I searched for a definition via Wikipedia. Perhaps it would be more useful for the average reader if more veryday terms were used.

Comment: the word 'polymorph' occurs in several areas of science with different meanings. In a pathology report it may refer to polymorphonuclear leukocytes. The present article refers only to the use of the term in biology, and does refer to some human polymorphisms. [[User:Macdonald-ross|Macdonald-ross]] 14:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)}}
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==Cuckoo==
In this section the scientific name given for reed warblers is ''Acrocephalus scirpensis''. I think it should be ''[[Acrocephalus scirpaceus]]'' instead. This should be checked.--[[User:Miguelferig|Miguelferig]] ([[User talk:Miguelferig|talk]]) 10:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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