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==Naming sources==
The current use of CiteWeb does not name the source in the reference list - this should be done as per [[Help:Citing_sources#Webpages]], probably by using the publisher-field in [[Template:Cite web]]. [[User:TGCP|TGCP]] ([[User talk:TGCP|talk]]) 17:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, that's on my to-do list, along with some other cleanup of refs. Probably tomorrow.
:(I don't want to [[WP:OWN|own]] the article; if anybody else wants to take on such boring chores, go right ahead {{=)}}) [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 17:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Engine ==

There are some details on the ultra-long stroke engine type here: http://www.shippipedia.com/man-announces-ultra-long-stroke-engine/ While not specifically about the TripleE-engine, the principles should be the same. [[User:TGCP|TGCP]] ([[User talk:TGCP|talk]]) 23:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

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== Largest Ships? ==

Triple E won´t be the largest ships in service; it seems people make confusion between length, and Gross Tonnage. Not for being the longest ships means that they are the largest, as the measurement of size for merchant ships is the total volume (Gross Tonnage). Triple E Class will be around 200,000 GT-more or less-.  The largest ships currently in service are the TI Class supertankers, at 234,000 GT. The second largest ships are Royal Caribbean's Oasis Class, at 225,000 GT. 
Also, a big mistake consists of thinking that the Seawise Giant (mentioned here) was the largest of the ships. Well, another urban legend; she had the greatest deadweight, and was the longest ship ever built with 458.45 meters, but her total volume was 260,941 GT. The largest ships ever built were the 275,268 GT Batillus Class supertankers.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.37.55.153|81.37.55.153]] ([[User talk:81.37.55.153|talk]]) 18:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You have a point, see also [[List of world's largest ships by gross tonnage]]. I have added a reference about longest.
:However, volume and length are just two of the measures ships are judged by; some of the other parameters are [[deadweight tonnage]] and [[Displacement_(ship)|displacement]]. No ship is the "biggest" by all parameters, so an [[amalgamation]] has to be used. Such an amalgamation is a kind of [[WP:original research]] and must be performed by [[WP:Reliable sources]] outside Wikipedia, as the Economist reference shows. The Seawise Giant came close to topping all parameters, and I have tried to reference the claim.

:The vast empty space of [[MS Oasis of the Seas]]' Central Park is a considerable part of the [[gross tonnage]] (volume), and may even be considered as a kind of payload as it adds value to the ship. However, container ships get no credit from the considerable amount of "empty space" above deck for the thousands of containers that are direct payload. As such, volume is not the only way to size a ship, and may not even be the best way. Oasis has about 100,000 tons of deadweight; less than Triple-E's 165,000. [[User:TGCP|TGCP]] ([[User talk:TGCP|talk]]) 22:43, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I didn't know that the empty space on Oasis class is considered part of their gross tonnage; it was a doubt i had, and i tried to look for information on the net about it, because it is not really an enclosed space, as it isn't covered by a roof, opposite to the Freedom class interior promenade that is a true enclosed space. 
Anyway, when you see a big ship or a big building, you see the three dimensions-lenght, width and height-so it is correct to consider the gross tonnage to compare one ship to other, load appart, as the specification says "size of a ship", not "load capacity" or "displacement". Those are different things. I know some times it's important for commercial reasons talking about the load capacity of a ship, but i was talking about the volume, it means size. Seawise Giant was longer and wider than Batillus class, but Batillus class were much more deeper; all measurements together made them bigger than Seawise Giant   <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.37.55.153|81.37.55.153]] ([[User talk:81.37.55.153|talk]]) 14:22, 8 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Use of "rows"? ==

The word "row" is not defined in the context of this article, and the usage seems to contradict the definition in the linked article on container ships.  It would appear that a "row" runs from one side of the ship to the other, and row number increases from bow to stern.  The width of the ship would control the number of "slots", not rows. Clarification needed?   

[[User:NitPicker769|NitPicker769]] ([[User talk:NitPicker769|talk]]) 20:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Ports ==

I believe the ships can also be handled in [[JadeWeserPort|Wilhelmshaven]].--[[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] ([[User talk:Oneiros|talk]]) 22:35, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
:[http://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/87789/second-maersk-lines-triple-e-class-vessel-to-call-at-eurogate-in-wilhelmshaven-germany/ Yes]. [[User:Bobrayner|bobrayner]] ([[User talk:Bobrayner|talk]]) 23:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::{{done}}--[[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] ([[User talk:Oneiros|talk]]) 13:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Several ports may handle these ships, but not when they're loaded to max. The route from Asia first enters a deep port like Rotterdam when alot of the load is unloaded and the ship then continues to other ports. [[Special:Contributions/82.182.77.220|82.182.77.220]] ([[User talk:82.182.77.220|talk]]) 20:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:I suggest digging up the max draught of the late ports and compare them with the ship max draught. [[User:TGCP|TGCP]] ([[User talk:TGCP|talk]]) 07:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
:Comment in article moved here : [[User:TGCP|TGCP]] ([[User talk:TGCP|talk]]) 20:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Correction?: A source at the Port of Long Beach actually said that the sailing draft of the EEE Class Maersk ship is ~16m which is in the same ballpark as 14,000 TEU ships, which the POLB can handle. The problem is the crane dimensions which cannot reach over the stack due to height, and cannot reach far enough due to width. Source is the Senior Port Planner at the Port of Long Beach, Matt Plezia.

== Incorrect Fact or Misunderstanding? ==

In the section "Dimensions and Layout" the article reads:

"The container port handling speed can be 29 moves per hour."

I assumed "container port handling speed" referred to the number of containers that could be moved on and off ship per hour. If so, "29 moves per hour" is not correct. Something closer to "29 moves per minute" is of the right order.

Is the number incorrect, or does the statement need further clarification in the text? I was unable to access the article where this fact is referenced.

[[User:Andtomorrow|Andtomorrow]] ([[User talk:Andtomorrow|talk]]) 17:32, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:Probably incorrect fact, or a measure we just don't understand. I have added an archive, where it clearly states "29 moves per hour", and [[Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth|we must go by source]]. An expansion of the concept is appreciated, if anyone can find such. Containerization improves productivity, and "moves per hour" seems relevant in that context. [[User:TGCP|TGCP]] ([[User talk:TGCP|talk]]) 19:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:[http://www.apmterminals.com/aboutus.aspx?id=19297 An elaborating calculation example], not related to Triple-E. The metric is used as a measure of productivity, showing the number of containers moved by one crane, per hour. Per berth seems to be per ship, when a number of cranes work simultaneously on one ship. It's about getting the ship underway as quickly as possible. [[User:TGCP|TGCP]] ([[User talk:TGCP|talk]]) 20:07, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::I think the problem here is that the measurement applies to the ''port'', not the ''ship''. While I can't access the source regarding Tanger-Med, the Rotterdam source is clear that the record is about port productivity and the record just happened to be made with Triple-E. The current wording in the article gives the impression that the ship itself somehow enables greater productivity here and I don't believe that's the case. I'm inclined to remove it unless a more significant connection can be made. Regards, [[User:Orange Suede Sofa|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:DarkGreen;">Orange Suede Sofa</span>]] ([[User talk:Orange Suede Sofa|talk]]) 21:09, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:::If anything, the larger ship ''decreases'' productivity per crane as the container has to travel a longer distance on the crane. A longer ship may increase productivity per berth as it allows more cranes. The archive should be easily accessible, and the simple wording did not allow for other ways of conveying that statement. If you search the web with "moves per hour", you should encounter better references. Anyway, we now have a debate about "moves per hour", which is a good thing. The concept may be copied to the Container and Container ship articles also. [[User:TGCP|TGCP]] ([[User talk:TGCP|talk]]) 21:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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