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== Duckmanton Junction Template ==

Dear Alan, I've spotted a mistake which I should have noticed before, it will have been there all along. In the 1955 diagram the line off to Chesterfield Central southwest of Staveley Central is shown in dark red, ie as goods only. It should be the lighter, brighter red as it was a fully-functioning goods and passenger line. I've spent ages poring over the template to try to change it myself, but can't figure the syntax out. Hope this makes sense. Kind regards, Dave [[User:DavidAHull|DavidAHull]] ([[User talk:DavidAHull|talk]]) 19:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
:{{Done}}. The change was easy: just add “<code> red</code>” to the icon name. The difficult part was that these red icons had to be created. :) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 12:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Great! Thanks once again, but please see LD&ECR Template, above. Dave [[User:DavidAHull|DavidAHull]] ([[User talk:DavidAHull|talk]]) 22:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

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== Lincoln Lines route diagram ==

Hello Alan, our paths cross again. As I continue my travels along the LD&ECR I've had a look at the Lincoln Central article, which includes your customarily fine "Lincoln Lines" route diagram. The article makes two mentions of Skellingthorpe, one which I don't understand and one which looks correct, ie on the closed LD&ECR Dukeries Route. As other closed stations and lines appear on the route diagram I suggest that for consistency and completeness the LD&ECR line and Skellingthorpe station be included at top left peeling off at Pyewipe Junction. If you agree but aren't sure of the layout or how to represent it please get back to me. Kind regards, Dave. [[User:DavidAHull|DavidAHull]] ([[User talk:DavidAHull|talk]]) 06:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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== West Cumbria ==

Dear Alan, I've had a good look at your wonderful W Cumbria rt diag. I've made four uncontentious changes which you can see in the change history. Here are some things I didn't want to attempt to change willy-nilly: I think there are two or possibly three stations missing. 1. '''Moresby Parks''' is on my 1925 OS map, my 1922 Bradshaw and my 1923 railway atlas. It was the next stop north of Moresby Jct Halt on the diagram. 2. All three publications show '''Oatlands''' roughly where you have Arlecdon. The maps show Arlecdon as nearer Rowrah, as if Rowrah and Arlecdon stations were in the same village. 3. Atlas only shows '''High Blaithwaite''' north of Mealsgate on the loop line. You might like to consult with the originators of the diagram who are probably more expert on the area than I. Kind regards, Dave[[User:DavidAHull|DavidAHull]] ([[User talk:DavidAHull|talk]]) 21:26, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I am actually the originator of this diagram, having started it as a tool to keep track of the lines joined to the [[Cumbrian Coast Line]]. That does not make me an expert on the area and the changes made since seem to be improvements. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 10:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

== Icon project ==

Thanks for your invitation to join this. I will think about it but [[Fairport's Cropredy Convention|another project]] will keep me busy over the next few weeks. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 10:52, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:I went to Cropredy a few times in the 1980s, when a three-day ticket (camping included) cost about £30. Now that it's £110 for 3 days (camping ''excluded''), or £75 for just the Saturday, I can't afford it any more. But I can afford to sign up for the BSicon project, and have done so. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:12, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
== [[Template:Railways in Bridgwater RDT]] ==

Hi [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]], I very much like your change / huge improvement to this template, made some 10 days ago but I've only just seen it.

There is one inaccuracy that still exists in the diagram, I ignored it at the time of my earlier changes because I did not know how to fix it easily. The main problem is that the A38 and the A39 run together through Bridgwater but separate (or split) in a "Y" junction just a few road-widths south of the A38 - Bridgwater docks branch level crossing, just about where the bend in the road is shown, so there was a double level crossing at that place (not a single level crossing as currently shown). The northern section of A38 precedes northwards through its level crossing to Highbridge, as shown and the northern section of the A39 proceeds north eastwards through it's level crossing towards [[Bath, Somerset|Bath]] and crosses the Bristol to Exeter railway to the north of Bridgwater goods stations by means of a over-bridge. This road / level crossing / bridge is absent form the diagram. Note: The A38 and A39 also split again with the A38 going to the south and the A39 going to West, but for the purpose of this digram this latter split can be ignored. [[User:Pyrotec|Pyrotec]] ([[User talk:Pyrotec|talk]]) 19:56, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
== Template:Great Central Main Line ==

Dear Alan, I've come across this template, which seems to be an excellent representation of the erstwhile GCML. I've noticed that stations on the GCML don't use it, so I tried adding it in the usual way, ie enclose Great Central Main Line in double curly brackets. The result is chaos. It behaves as it does when you accidentally include a spare curly bracket or miss one out. I've had a look at the coding and there are several things I don't understand, so I don't want to mess them up. Could you please have a look at it? Kind regards. Dave [[User:DavidAHull|DavidAHull]] ([[User talk:DavidAHull|talk]]) 18:58, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:{{tlx|Great Central Main Line}} is not designed to be used standalone - it is intended to be nested into {{tlx|infobox rdt}} which itself goes inside {{tlx|Infobox rail line}}, and this is how it's used at [[Great Central Main Line]]. Generally, we don't put RDTs for lines onto articles about railway stations, since they take up too much space and include information that really belongs on the line article, not the station article. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
::That makes sense, thanks. Dave[[User:DavidAHull|DavidAHull]] ([[User talk:DavidAHull|talk]]) 22:39, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
== [[Template:Rail-interchange]] ==

''This is the discussion (since deleted from [[User talk:Werieth]]) that precipitated [[#Your edits at Template:Rail-interchange|Your edits at Template:Rail-interchange]]:
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Re [[:File:AMTnewlogo.png]], isn't ''“In addition to the fair-use assertion shown on this page, the copyright holder has granted permission for this image to be used in Wikipedia.”'' clear enough? [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 22:19, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
:For wikipedia only licenses mean nothing, that file is non-free and will be treated as such. [[User:Werieth|Werieth]] ([[User talk:Werieth#top|talk]]) 23:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC){{Cn}} <sup>[[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 00:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)</sup>
::Citing [[WP:NFCC#9]] is meaningless: templates are used IN articles! [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 00:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Please read policy{{Where}} <sup>[[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 01:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)</sup> templates cannot use non-free media. [[User:Werieth|Werieth]] ([[User talk:Werieth#top|talk]]) 00:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
:::[[WP:NFCC]] and [[WP:NFC]] are good places to start. Non-free media's usage is very restricted. Usage in templates is never allowed. [[User:Werieth|Werieth]] ([[User talk:Werieth#top|talk]]) 01:29, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
::::I did not notice this discussion until now and I can point out some information that could have avoided edit warring and the edit warring noticeboard, where both of you could be blocked for your actions.  Per [[WP:LOGOS]], logos that consist of simple geometric shapes or a simple combination of shapes and text are not eligible for copyright here and could have been tagged with <nowiki>{{PD-textlogo}}</nowiki>.  I see that the image is now replaced with a version at commons, which Werieth tagged for speedy deletion, another editor has removed this template as not qualifying and started a file deletion at [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:AMTnewlogo_simplified.svg].  Hopefully both of you can discuss the image there. [[User:Aspects|Aspects]] ([[User talk:Aspects|talk]]) 05:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::WHAT THE?!?  I just noticed that you reported Useddenim to the vandalism noticeboard, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=567352283].  I can tell you know that this will be rejected, because none of his edits were [[WP:VANDALISM]], you need to read through that because there are very specific examples of what vandalism is, good faith edits on both of your parts are not vandalism.  Also you gave Useddenim no warnings what so every, let alone the level four vandalism warning that should proceed posting to the noticeboard. You also did not alert Useddenim to let him know of your posting to the vandalism noticeboard.  I am going to do that now, so he has a chance to reply. [[User:Aspects|Aspects]] ([[User talk:Aspects|talk]]) 05:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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== Your edits at [[:Template:Rail-interchange]] ==

While I been have an ongoing disucssion with Werieth about his other issues with NFCC images, I just now noticed both of your edits to [[:Template:Rail-interchange]] and the discussion about it at Werieth's user page.  The reason I am leaving a note on your page is that you too were edit warring on the template, so do not be surprised if you are also blocked.  You also need to avoid launching personal attacks at other editors, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Rail-interchange&diff=prev&oldid=567353122], calling another editor a moron is inappropriate and takes away from your argument.  Continued personal attacks could also result in you being blocked, so please stop them now.  Thank you, [[User:Aspects|Aspects]] ([[User talk:Aspects|talk]]) 05:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

:Also to let you know, Werieth reported you at [[WP:AIV]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=567352283], for vandalism.  You should respond there if you get the chance before an admin accepts or rejects it. [[User:Aspects|Aspects]] ([[User talk:Aspects|talk]]) 05:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
::Oh yes, of course—but ''he'' didn't bother with the courtesy of a warning… [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 10:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
:::I put a messages in that topic about how the whole thing could have been avoided and a second message about the AIV warning, but Werieth deleted it from his talk page, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Werieth&curid=37930376&diff=567379111&oldid=567360385].  So I will also let you know that he put your Commons image up for deletion at [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:AMTnewlogo_simplified.svg], so you can comment there since that was also in my messages that got deleted. [[User:Aspects|Aspects]] ([[User talk:Aspects|talk]]) 10:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
== Template ==

When you know that it is the wrong link, why don't you change it into the correct link? That is not illegal... <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 16:11, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
:I did make the correction; I don't understand what your comment refers to. (Altho' upon rereading, I guess I could have been a bit clearer with my edit summary…) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 16:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== Virginia Railway Express colors ==

Why did you eliminate the colors at [[:Template:VREX color]]? Did they make some change I didn't know about? -------[[User:DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]])  05:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:{{Fixed}}. Sorry—typo on my part when  I created the /doc. (If the colors don't show now, click on the <nowiki>[purge]</nowiki> link.) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 11:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
::I didn't have to purge. They showed up. -------[[User:DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]])  12:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== Shanghai Metro line templates ==

Hi, though this is a little late, but thanks for helping to redraw the [[:Template:Shanghai_Metro/Line_1|templates]] of the [[Shanghai Metro]] lines 1-5. Thought these were quite eye-catching. :-)

Just some comments though - you seem to have, in particular, replaced the use of [[:File:BSicon_INT.svg|INT icons]] with [[:File:BSicon_BLl.svg|bold]] / [[:File:BSicon_GRENZE2l.svg|dotted]] lines as connectors of stations. I'm not too sure if this is particularly relevant though, because there are really few stations that adopt the virtual interchange scheme (so far only [[South Shaanxi Road Station]] that I know), and this new scheme of "connection" still looks slightly weird. Do you plan to change the templates for the remaining lines as well? <b>[[User:Newfraferz87|<span style="color:#0060C0;">No</span>]][[User talk:Newfraferz87|<span style="color:#6000C0;">News</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Newfraferz87|<span style="color:#008000;">!</span>]]</b> 13:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

:Yes I do. I adopted the —/- - scheme since the old templates used text notation for virtual interchanges, and a mix of {{bsq|uINT}} and {{BS-o|HUB82|uBHF|txt=T}}. The use of {{bsq|BL}} connectors is well-established for the [[Hong Kong MTR]] RDTs—see {{T|HK-MTR route/West Rail}} for example. I reserved the HUBs for connection with associated mainline stations. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 23:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== Barnstar! ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" valign="top" | {{#ifeq:|alt|[[File:Blueprint Barnstar 3.PNG|100px]]|[[File:Blueprint Barnstar 2.PNG|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Template Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I've just come across [[Template:Railways in Bridgwater RDT]], which is amazingly detailed - I've not seen a better RDT on Wikipedia! Having frequently worked on route diagram templates, I realise how much work must've gone into it. Great job! [[User:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:#8B0000;">Jr8825</span>]] • [[User Talk:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:#4682B4;">Talk</span>]] 15:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
|}
== AMT Templates ==

Hi, I like what you have done with the new templates for the Deux-Montagnes and Mascouche Lines, but they need improvement, because some colors (Saint-Jérôme for example) are default colors. If you are going to change the templates then make sure that they are clear and useful. Thanks! [[User:Mtlfiredude|Mtlfiredude]] ([[User talk:Mtlfiredude|talk]]) 21:47, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
:Should be fixed now. (Pas tout le monde utîlisé dès accents.) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 23:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I understand the accent problem. Will you fix the templates for all the other lines (so far only DM and Mascouche Lines have new templates)? I also do not understand some of the history on the templates (Monkland Station on the DM Line??). [[User:Mtlfiredude|Mtlfiredude]] ([[User talk:Mtlfiredude|talk]]) 03:01, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:I will update them as I have time, but I'll be going up North through the Simcoe Day weekend. (And see {{stn|Du Ruisseau}} for the explanation of Monkland Station.) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 04:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I see. I appreciate your fine template/history work on the AMT lines, very interesting. Just remember to make sure that the AMT logo is present before every line that crosses another one (you did this for Mont-Saint-Hilaire at Central Station but not for Saint-Jérôme). Have a great weekend! [[User:Mtlfiredude|Mtlfiredude]] ([[User talk:Mtlfiredude|talk]]) 20:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:Never mind the AMT logos, just the line color should be enough so you can remove them for the DM Line (I surely would do it for you but don't know how). Thanks again! [[User:Mtlfiredude|Mtlfiredude]] ([[User talk:Mtlfiredude|talk]]) 22:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
::Hi Useddenim, I see you upgraded the templates for both Candiac and Saint-Jérôme Lines! That is very nice, and as you can see I thanked you for it. One thing, do not forget to get the real names of the lines (Delson-Candiac on the SJ Line, this is probably due to the fact that the old name is in the system). Also, for the SJ Line (and other future new templates), the colored squares representing the line color must be separated. But other than that, great work!! [[User:Mtlfiredude|Mtlfiredude]] ([[User talk:Mtlfiredude|talk]]) 13:13, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello Useddenim, will you be updating the templates for MSH and VH lines any soon?
::{{Done}}. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 17:10, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Wow, great work. Try separating the Vaudreuil red and Candiac yellow squares (Saint-Jérôme Line) and the Mascouche pink and Deux-Montagnes blue squares (Mont-Saint-Hilaire Line) and everything will be perfect! [[User:Mtlfiredude|Mtlfiredude]] ([[User talk:Mtlfiredude|talk]]) 17:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Metro Line]] ==

[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]][[Template:Metro Line]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Metro Line|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> How many templates need to be nominated for deletion until you understand that you are adding too many lists, diagrams, and navboxes, and editing without discussing your controversial changes? [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 05:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
== [[Template:Seetal railway line]] ==

Hi, that template has been nominated for deletion: during the discussion, its contents were integrated into the article, and it is no longer necessary. The discussion is at [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_23]]. To not waste administrators' time, will you agree to speedy this now as [[WP:CSD#G7]]? <span class="signature">[[User:Kephir|Keφr]]</span> 17:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
:No. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_September_23&diff=574277193&oldid=574272997 my reply]. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 04:17, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
== Template:Metro Line ==

''moved to [[Template talk:Metro Line]]''

In reply to your comments [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Metro_Line&diff=prev&oldid=575126584 here], you are ignoring [[WP:BRD]], and the open discussions on this topic. I look forward to your replies to the quires I have left you [[Template talk:Metro Line|here]], [[Template talk:ETS LRT future|here]], and [[Template talk:ETS LRT route#Metro Line routes|here]]. Thanks, [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 18:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

:''You'' cite [[WP:BRD]]? [[Template:ETS LRT future]] was meant as  a starting point for discussion. Slapping a {{T|TfD}} on is hardly constructive criticism; rather, it’s a loud, clear message that you’re not willing to talk. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 01:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, I don't believe that. You still haven't replied to the question I left you there three weeks ago. Is there a question I haven't replied to? [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 03:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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:Go get a life! [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 03:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::I see an IP from Tokyo made the same edit as me when I was logged off. I would like to make it clear that was not me, and I am open for discussion. [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 18:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:::OK. I would suggest (and am hoping) that putting the "near future" extensions in a (normally-hidden) collapsible section will be an acceptable compromise. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 19:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I would like to ask for clarification on your comments in the edit summary [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Route_diagram_template&diff=prev&oldid=581323112 here]. What was it that was discussed and I ignored? <small>(The comment directly above: “a (normally-hidden) collapsible section”. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 10:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC))</small> In my last comment there I said "If the page won't explain how to handle proposed routes, it shouldn't mention them." The [[Wikipedia:Route diagram template#.7B.7BBS2text.7D.7D_.7B.7BBS3text.7D.7D_.7B.7BBS4text.7D.7D_.E2.80.A6_.7B.7BBS9text.7D.7D|&#123;&#123;BS2text&#125;&#125; &#123;&#123;BS3text&#125;&#125; &#123;&#123;BS4text&#125;&#125; … &#123;&#123;BS9text&#125;&#125;]] section is an explaintion and example on how to use {{tld|BStext}}, why does it need to use this controversial piece of text as an example? To me, using a piece of text in an example that I know is controversial, is POV-pushing. Do you have a suggestion of what to use in that example that won't support my or your side of the argument? [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 03:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
:It wasn’t controversial until you made it so, and there was no need for you to spread your dispute onto yet another page. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 10:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
::Your 19:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC) comment above is not a discussion regarding an edit I proposed 04:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC). I made a request to make a change to [[Wikipedia:Route diagram template]] on [[Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template]]. Don't you think that is the appropriate place? [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 02:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Of course my 14 October comment wasn’t—it couldn’t have been, as it was made 10 days earlier! And I’m perfectly willing to have something different if it illustrates the example better: “A piece of text” doesn’t. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 04:33, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You haven't answered the question. What discussion was I ignoring in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Route_diagram_template&diff=581290054&oldid=581268115 this edit]? Since you disagree with my edits, what is a good illustration for the template? [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 06:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::The one where '''everyone else''' says that future proposals are acceptable in an RDT.<br>You tell me what a good illustration is. The original version is perfectly clear as to why one line suddenly becomes two; “A piece of text” isn’t. If you can come up with a better example to illustrate the use of {{T|BStext}} I’d like to see it. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 02:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I am reverting your edit to [[Template:ETS LRT route]]. You are ignoring its talk page where it has been explained that the route continuation to Fort Saskatchewan is unreferenced, as well as the fact that Ellerslie will open before Gorman, Blatchford, or Provincial Lands. Please stop making unreferenced changes. Thanks, [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 02:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:As mentioned on [[Template talk:Capital Line]], the proposed future extensions properly belong there—but you conveniently arranged to have it deleted. [[Template:ETS LRT route]] should really just show the basic network (like [[Template:ETS LRT future]] does) without all the “fiddly little bits”. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 19:22, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::I, and the other users there, believe that the network isn't large enough to split up the diagram. With the scope of the template to be used on the articles on the stations, all the future stuff is unnecessary, and being the line diagram (serving the purpose of Template:Capital Line), it has all the "fiddly little bits". [[User:117Avenue|117Avenue]] ([[User talk:117Avenue|talk]]) 06:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== US station naming conventions ==

Hi! You're being spammed because you've participated in the move discussion at [[Talk:Parkside Avenue (BMT Brighton Line)#Requested move]]. I'm seeking input for a broader policy solution to US station name articles at [[User:Mackensen/Naming conventions (US stations)]] and I hope that you'll participate there. Best, [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 01:03, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

== December 2013 ==
<div class="user-block"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''24 hours''' for your [[WP:DE|disruption]] caused by [[WP:EW|edit warring]] and violation of the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]&#32;at [[:Template:Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 1]]. During a dispute, you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] and seek [[WP:CON|consensus]]. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[WP:PP|page protection]]. If you would like to be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}} below this notice, but you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 16:21, 23 December 2013 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-3block -->
{{unblock reviewed | 1=I attempted to update these templates to current [[WP:RDT]] standards, but [[User:Jeromesandilanico|Jeromesandilanico]] simply reverted them to their previous version without explanation, and without actually examining the changes made. Contrary to what is stated in his [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJeromesandilanico&diff=587391863&oldid=587390868 block appeal], the talk page wasn’t started until ''after'' the '''fourth''' revert. I wrote what I thought was a [[User talk:Jeromesandilanico#Template:Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 1 & Template:Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 2|detailed explanation]] of the errors I was trying to fix, but his reply was basically “We don’t do it that way.” I understand [[User:Jeromesandilanico|Jeromesandilanico]]’s frustration over having “his” work changed, but Wikipedia is an evolving collaborative effort, and following outdated standards and the use of obsolete templates impedes this progress. If this block is lifted I will refrain from editing [[Template:Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 1]] & [[Template:Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 2]] for the 24-hour period (expecting, of course, that there will be a reasonable attempt to justify blocking these suggested changes) and work on other pages. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 16:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC) <span id="Jeromesandilanico">[[User:Jeromesandilanico|Jeromesandilanico]] <span class="plainlinks">([[User talk:Jeromesandilanico|talk]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Jeromesandilanico&action=edit&section=new message] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Jeromesandilanico|contribs]] '''·''' <span style="color:#002bb8;">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/move&user=Jeromesandilanico page moves]</span> '''·''' [[Special:DeletedContributions/Jeromesandilanico|deleted contribs]] '''·''' [http://toolserver.org/~mathbot/cgi-bin/wp/rfa/edit_summary.cgi?user=Jeromesandilanico&lang=en <span style="color:#002bb8">summary</span>] '''·''' [http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pcount/index.php?name=Jeromesandilanico&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia <span style="color:#002bb8">count</span>] '''·''' <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=users&ususers=Jeromesandilanico&usprop=groups|editcount total]</span> '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Jeromesandilanico <span style="color:#002bb8">logs</span>] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User:Jeromesandilanico <span style="color:#002bb8">block log</span>] '''·''' [[Special:Blockip/Jeromesandilanico|block]] '''·''' [[Special:Emailuser/Jeromesandilanico|email]])</span></span> has been blocked indefinitely, which should indicate who the culpable party is in this dispute. Now, may I please be unblocked? [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 19:04, 23 December 2013 (UTC) | decline = This block has expired. [[User:Kuru|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#cd853f; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Kuru</span>]] [[User talk:Kuru|<span style="color:#f5deb3">''(talk)''</span>]] 16:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)}}

== Waterways catalog of icons ==

Hi, I have been busy in real life for a bit, so have missed some of the discussion on icons. In particular, I note that the waterways legend has been moved to a catalog of icons, but that most of the icons that I need a catalog for have been removed from it. Can you please explain the logic of what is going on? I also saw the discussion about a legend not being a catalog, but the catalog appears to have become a legend. Sorry if this sounds confused, but I cannot understand what is occurring. [[User:Bob1960evens|Bob1960evens]] ([[User talk:Bob1960evens|talk]]) 14:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
:RL, what a nuisance, especially at this time of year what with family and gift-giving and all those parties… 8-)<br>But seriously, it was agreed that the [[Template:Waterways legend|Legend]] should be aligned with those of other projects and show ''types'' of icons, while the [[Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/watercourses|catalogue pages]] should show ''all'' icons. Subsequently {{User|YLSS}}—using the rationale that “nobody said no”—has embarked on a mission to change all {{BSicon-name|ICONl}}s and {{BSicon-name|ICONr}}s to {{BSicon-name|ICONfq}} and {{BSicon-name|ICONgq}}, which may account for your missing icons. Then there’s also the matter of the renamed {{BSicon-name|g}}/{{BSicon-name|ugICON}}s, which have ''still'' not been fully added back into the catalogues. I have been working on a [[User:Useddenim/canal|replacement ]] for &#123;&#123;[[WP:RDT/BSaU]]}} and &#123;&#123;[[WP:RDT/BSaP]]}}, but have run into some technical difficulties (specifically determining whether or not a given icon variant exists).<br>I hope this helps to clarify things. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 19:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
::I think the CONT/ENDE business forms but a small part of the problems with that page, seeing that it still lists e.g. {{BSicon-name|uABZ3lg}} & {{BSicon-name|uABZdf}}. Bob1960evens, you should also check [[Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/watercourses/infrastructure|catalogue #2]] & [[Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/watercourses/non-navigable|catalogue #3]] (they've been split up), maybe the icons you're looking for are actually there. [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 07:00, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== Wilts, Som & Weymouth RDT ==

Hi, {{diff|Template:Wilts, Somerset and Weymouth Railway|prev|589032638|now I know}} what they're supposed to be - [http://www.charbase.com/239B U+239B], [http://www.charbase.com/239E U+239E], [http://www.charbase.com/239D U+239D], [http://www.charbase.com/23A0 U+23A0] - but it doesn't help: the formatting is still broken. These characters expand the lines to about three times the height that they're supposed to be, and alignment is compromised. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
:It displays perfectly on my computer ([[Firefox]] on an Apple Mac). Is the [[Symbol font]] installed correctly on your system?<br>Does this render the characters all at the same height on your display:
::⎛1857⎞<br />⎝1966⎠{{BSsplit| ⎛1857⎞|⎝1966⎠}}
:[[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 21:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
::I've tried it in five browsers under Windows XP: in Chrome, IE8 and Safari the characters show as little white squares, outlined in black (these are about the size of the letter n); in Firefox 26 and Opera, they show as tapered arcs, resembling [http://www.charbase.com/239B U+239B] except that they're grey, three times the normal height of the letter M, and superimposed on a vertical black line which is the same height as the letter M. The bottom ends of these grey arcs are all on the text baseline, and so protrude upwards out of the normal line height. Worse, they also cause a similarly-sized gap below, so that taken as a whole, the line height is increased to five times normal. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Under Windows 8 on a PC: displays correctly in Firefox & IE (!), but as rectangular boxes in Chrome and Safari. In all cases the row-height remained normal. I guess the change will have to be undone. (But it ''did'' look so much better than putting the {{T|BSsplit}} ''inside'' parentheses.) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 21:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
::::Taking screen dumps and enlarging enormously reveals that what I refereed to as "superimposed on a vertical black line which is the same height as the letter M" are actually the thick ends of the arc above or below, due to a certain amount of overlap between the lines. That is, the lower end of the [http://www.charbase.com/239B U+239B] character is below the upper end of the [http://www.charbase.com/239D U+239D] character - in between, one character shows through the other, giving the appearance of a vertical black line.
{| style="float:right; border:none;"
|-
|<div style="position: relative;">
<div style="position: absolute; left: 0px; top: 7px; padding: 0;">[[File:BSicon exSTR2.svg|20px|link=]]</div>
[[File:BSicon exSTR+1.svg|20px|link=]]</div>
|}
::::It's as if we had overlaid {{bs-q|exÜWol}} on {{bs-q|exÜWo+l}} but beginning partway down the icon, see demo at right. I think these "parenthesis hook" characters can only be used safely if (i) their thick ends can be made to butt up together without overlap; (ii) they can be made normal height; (iii) there is universal browser/font support. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
{{Routemap |title-bg=#f9f9f9 |legend=no |collapsible=no |top=[[File:Template;Wilts, Somerset and Weymouth Railway segment.tiff]] |map-title=looks better than |map= 
eHST\d\\~~{{rws|Sparkford}} ({{BSsplit|1856|1968}})
eHST\d\\~~{{rws|Marston Magna}} ({{BSsplit|1856|1968}})
BHF\d\\~~{{rws|Yeovil Pen Mill}}}}
:::::(i) and (ii) happen automatically when (iii) occurs. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 00:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
::::::Unfortunately, we don't know when or if (iii) might happen. Clearly, Firefox for Windows differs from Firefox for the Apple. It is not good practice to make assumptions about which browser that another person is using, nor which fonts they have installed. This is why the [[Main Page#p-lang|language links in the sidebat]] and [[Main Page#Wikipedia languages|at the bottom of the Main Page]] are now associated with an embedded font called Autonym: you may have noticed that the font in these areas is different from the rest of the page. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 12:08, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


{{clear}}

== BSto template under WM's Beta ==

If you have enabled "typography refresh" of [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures|beta feature]] you may notice the double rowed text lengthens the icon row and causing break. I tested in {{tl|BSto/sandbox}} and changing the font-size from 80% to 75% helps eliminated the gap but the upper text may look too small when "typography refresh" is disabled. -- [[User:Sameboat|Sameboat - 同舟]] ([[User talk:Sameboat|talk]]) 07:16, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
:I appreciate the “heads up”, but isn’t it the responsibility of whoever is making the change to make sure that the proposed change '''doesn’t''' break anything? [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 00:46, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::I settle down by using integer font size value (11px) instead of percentage which is more consistent especially for our RDT in case any crat/WMF staff someday randomly changes font size of the whole project for unexpected reason. -- [[User:Sameboat|Sameboat - 同舟]] ([[User talk:Sameboat|talk]]) 01:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

==Railways in Siliguri==
Many thanks for upgrading the [[Template:Railways in Siliguri]]. Cheers. - [[User:Chandan Guha|Chandan Guha]] ([[User talk:Chandan Guha|talk]]) 02:04, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:You’re welcome. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 02:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

== [[Template:Wrexham, Mold and Connah's Quay Railway]] ==

Could you please check, should ''Penyffordd Sidings'' be represented with {{bs-q|exlBSTc4}} or {{bs-q|exlBSTc2}}? [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 10:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

:If it helps, when I drew up the diagram I checked and found that the sidings are placed to transfer traffic to any of the four lines that diverge in the vicinity. That being so it is in the right place where it is, whatever icon that needs. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 10:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

== [[Template:Heathrow rail services]] ==

You wrote:
:''You have me at a disadvantage as I am some years and a few thousand miles distant from London, but from what I recall the Bakerloo/Circle/District station was a little to the southeast of Paddington mainline (hence ''not'' a cross-platform interchange) while the H&C trains stopped at the furthermost (northern) reaches of the trainshed. And one of the sources I looked at said that the Crossrail line (will) run(s) under Eastbourne (?) Place, which appears to put it about a block away from the other platforms. Perhaps you could clarify this for me? [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 00:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)''

There are four, soon five, separate stations at Paddington:
* the mainline
* Circle (inner spiral) and District, reached from a direct connection to the mainline concourse as well as its own external entrance
* Bakerloo, deep underground and reached via the two C&D accesses mentioned above (and, at peak times, a direct connection from the mainline concourse).
* Hammersmith&City and Circle (outer spiral), previously part of the mainline station's northernmost (local services) platforms, now in the same place but reached via a new station building with an external entrance, and direct connections to the mainline station, but not Crossrail.
* Crossrail, under the southwest edge of the mainline station.

Crossrail's track diverges from the northside of the mainline, not the south, and passes under the H&C+Circle line before continuing under the mainline station.

There's a nice diagram at [http://tunneltalk.com/images/crossrail/Crossrail_Section1-Paddington.jpg].

Our problem with the template schematic is how much detail to show and how to coax the limited building blocks we have into being as accurate as possible. As the diagram is for Heathrow area rail services, I was tempted to be general in Paddington's layout: hence running Crossrail under the mainline station; and taking a great liberty by merging the Bakerloo and Circle&D stations together.

I have tinkered with a large-scale diagram for Paddington only and hope to publish that once I've rammed in some of the more cantankerous icons. If I remember, I'll send you a link to it before I do so.

I'm impressed with the alterations you made for the alignment of the main route to the airport, and within the airport itself, and thanks for uploading some parallel 45° continuation icons: I must learn how to generate and upload more myself sometime.

I had pondered including Feltham station (on the line from Waterloo) in the diagram, as it's an official rail-air station (via a bus link), but decided not. 
[[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] ([[User talk:Bazza 7|talk]]) 13:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

:As promised: [[Template:London Paddington station]]. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] ([[User talk:Bazza 7|talk]]) 11:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
::The lilac-coloured banner at the top of that severely fails [[WP:CONTRAST]]. The background is #9999cc and the default colour of the link in the centre is #0645ad which together look like this: {{color box|#9999cc|'''London Paddington station'''|#0645ad}}. This has a contrast ratio of 3.16 and so is not WCAG 2 AA Compliant. Even if it were not linked, so that the text was white, {{color box|#9999cc|'''London Paddington station'''|white}} it would still fail: the contrast would be 2.7 - to achieve WCAG 2 AA Compliance you need 4.5 or higher. With the link, and also using the default background colour #be2d2c i.e. {{color box|#be2d2c|'''London Paddington station'''|#0645ad}} it's much worse at just 1.46, but without the link {{color box|#be2d2c|'''London Paddington station'''|white}}, this has a contrast of 5.83 and so passes the threshold. Ideally you should try for WCAG 2 AAA Compliance, which requires a contrast of 7.0 or higher, but I think that can be ignored since so many other RDTs use white on #be2d2c. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 12:02, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

:::A few tweaks: 
:::#I changed the header per {{U|Redrose64}}, as the colour is (AFAIK) not keyed to anything in particular;
:::#I upgraded the template from {{T|BS-table}} to {{T|BS-map}} (for technical reasons, particularly the future transition to lua);
:::#removed the link from the title (poor practice); and
:::#moved the LU roundels and BR (sorry, NR—I guess I’m showing my age) ‘pointless arrow’ to ''after'' the station names to conform with the convention followed with text disambiguations. (I guess that should be documented somewhere.)
:::I trust these changes are acceptable to you? [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 19:28, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== New icon(s) ==

{{Talkback|Lost on belmont}} [[User:Lost on belmont|Lost on <span style="background-color: blue; color: white"><strong> Belmont<sup> 3200N</sup></strong></span>]] ([[User_talk:Lost on belmont|talk]]) 03:18, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry about the template mistakes. [[Wikipedia:RDT|The guide]] isn't much help to someone with as much route map know-how as I have. I often look to other route maps for inspiration which is where I got the abbreviation idea from. <strike>I can't find the template that gave me the idea to abbreviate railway lines, but I came across [[Template:Mainline railways around South Bank RDT|This template]] easily.</strike> No matter how good an idea I think the abbreviations might be, its a waste of time if I'm going against the consensus of editors, so rest assure that I wont pursue the idea further. I notice you have a barnstar for your route map knowledge. I sure could use your advice (as well as edit reverts) on these route maps I have made my little project. Kind regards, [[User:Wiki ian|Wiki]] [[User talk:Wiki ian|ian]] 03:49, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
:[[Template:South Western Main Line|This route map]] is what put abbreviations into my head. [[User:Wiki ian|Wiki]] [[User talk:Wiki ian|ian]] 03:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
::[[Template:South Western Main Line]] actually uses some fairly standard abbreviations (at least for someone familiar with British railways), but thanks for bringing these two diagrams to my attention, as they could certainly use some clean-up. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 04:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
:::And the route maps I've been working on? Any suggestions you can offer? [[User:Wiki ian|Wiki]] [[User talk:Wiki ian|ian]] 04:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Well, there are those unreferenced map coordinates. At the very least, they should be linked using the {{T|coord}} template. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

== BSto & DLR RDT ==

WRT [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:BSto&diff=597693156&oldid=597663487 this] – where does it disrupt anything and what browser, zoom settings and OS are you using? I'm not arguing, just so that I know and do can coordinate things in other Wikipedias. (For me, everything looks fine). [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 19:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Firefox/standard (default)/OS X. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 21:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, WRT West India Quay [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:DLR_Route_diagram&diff=597691480&oldid=597604529 here] – yes, I know that it looked crooked, but that was actually my intention. I based everything judging on Wikimapia, and it looks like the station is by more than half situated over the docks. Originally I thought to place it just above the stream, but then I separated them just a little bit. Also, I wanted to underline that the bypass joins the line at the station (actually, in place of a demolished platform, as per the [[West India Quay DLR station|article]]). [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 19:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:This is on the cusp of diagram ''vs.'' map, and I generally prefer clarity over 100% spatial accuracy. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 21:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Requested move for subway lines in Toronto ==

Hello there. I noticed that you opposed a move request for the following pages:
* [[:Yonge–University–Spadina line]] → {{no redirect|1 Yonge–University–Spadina Subway}}
* [[:Bloor–Danforth line]] → {{no redirect|2 Bloor–Danforth Subway}}
* [[:Scarborough RT]] → {{no redirect|3 Scarborough RT}}
* [[:Sheppard line]] → {{no redirect|4 Sheppard Subway}}

In light of discussion after your comments were submitted, I would like to request that you re-visit [[Talk:Yonge–University–Spadina line#Requested move|the move discussion]] and re-evaluate your position based on recent discussion. I am not trying to push you to change your answer, I only wish to have the discussion reflect all the facts, and try and facilitate some consensus. In good faith. --'''[[User:Natural RX|<span style="color:#000000;">Natural</span>]] [[User talk:Natural RX|<span style="color:#228b22;">R</span><sub><span style="color:#000000;">X</span></sub>]]''' 16:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

== Telugu Wikipedia ==

I never knew you were so active there! [[:te:Special:Contributions/Useddenim]]. (Just kidding ;) [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 15:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:Hm, ''very'' interesting... When I posted this, that page listed several hundred of your contributions at the very least, and now it's empty... I suppose you have followed that link? Apparently that's some strange feature of Mediawiki: someone copied the whole of [[:te:Wikipedia:Route diagram template]] and the likes from en.wp together with all the history, and some pseudo-accounts for all the contributors were created; but once those people log in to te.wp, their global account gets extended to it and the contributions list is emptied, with those pseudo-edits apparently assigned to no one... You can check [[:te:Special:Contributions/Sameboat]] or [[:te:Special:Contributions/Redrose64]] – before they log in to te.wp one day... [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 05:55, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
::April Fools? -- [[User:Sameboat|Sameboat - 同舟]] ([[User talk:Sameboat|talk]]) 06:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:::No, really! Try logging out of Wikipedia (so that you aren't automatically signed in to te.wp), and check [[:te:Special:Contributions/Sameboat]] — there's quite a lot! At the same time, [[Special:CentralAuth/Sameboat]] states that you have done 0 edits at te.wp. How come Mediawiki databases don't blow up?.. [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 10:27, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Hmm, it appears that [[User:Sameboat|your]] situation is different to mine and Useddenim's: you first visited te.wp in 2010, and possibly all these phantom edits got stuck to your global account... Try also visiting te.wp while logged in and make some minor edit – it would be interesting to see whether these edits disappear from your contributions page or not. [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 10:30, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Same result when I logged out to check my TE.WP contribution. I guess (I don't have solid evidence because I can't read Telugu language obviously) that some Telugu Wikipedian synced the edits of the whole RDT projects from EN to TE ([https://te.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B0%AE%E0%B1%82%E0%B0%B8:BS-map/parameters&action=history TE:template:BS-map/parameter edit history], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:BS-map/parameters&action=history EN:template:BS-map/parameter edit history]). -- [[User:Sameboat|Sameboat - 同舟]] ([[User talk:Sameboat|talk]]) 10:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

== [[Special:History/Template:Rail-interchange]] ==

Please help! <small>After notice feel free to revert or simply remove this section; to get to the version history on a desktop or non-beta mobile please use [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Rail-interchange&action=history].</small> <small><b><span style="background:#43CD80; border:2px solid #43CD80; color:yellow">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:FDMS4|<span style="color:yellow;">FDMS</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></b></small> 01:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:Um, I'm not sure what help you’re looking for. The history link is here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Rail-interchange/doc&action=history], and &#123;{rint|at|ÖBB}} works now. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 03:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

== Template:512 St. Clair ==

Sorry, but you reintroduced the link to the disambiguation page [[00]]. Could you please check the templates you work on for links to disambiguation pages, as they are for me very difficult to solve. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">[[User:The Banner|<span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The&nbsp;Banner</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The Banner|<i style="color:maroon">talk</i>]]</span> 21:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
:Problem was with {{T|Rail-interchange}}, not {{T|512 St. Clair}}, but it should be fixed now. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 23:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

== Small html for [[Template:BSto]] ==

The Heron Quays row of {{tl|DLR Route diagram}} breaks for me and I pinpointed the cause is actually from that inconspicuous <code>&lt;small></code> html element for "''original site''". I fixed it by changing it to <code>&lt;span style="font-size:85%"></code>. We really should refrain from using the small tag from now and I think Foundation should have disabled it long ago. -- [[User:Sameboat|Sameboat - 同舟]] ([[User talk:Sameboat|talk]]) 22:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
:I agree: I detest the use of <code>&lt;small></code> in RDTs, and normally remove it when I encounter it—I’m surprised I missed that one, given the number of times I’ve edited that diagram. I have also reduced the line-height slightly more in {{tl|BSto}} and {{tl|BSsplit}} because at least [[User:Balablitz|one editor]] says that he is still encountering breaks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Balablitz&namespace=10&tagfilter=&year=2014&month=-1 his RDTs], as I can’t seem to convince him to otherwise not leave “no-man’s land” in templates (see [[Template:Kollam–Sengottai branch line]], for example). [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 23:15, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
::{{tl|small}} ? [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 08:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I don't quite see the point of loading 1 more template for such simple code. Wait... I used [[template:=]] in {{tl|DLR Route diagram}} which can be replaced by using named parameter instead of unnamed. -- [[User:Sameboat|Sameboat - 同舟]] ([[User talk:Sameboat|talk]]) 13:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
::::Pretty much the same as with {{tl|rws}}, {{tl|right}} etc. [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 20:03, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

==Templates redone==
Thanks for redoing and vastly improving the templates - [[Template:Jolarpettai–Shoranur line|Jolarpettai–Shoranur line]] and [[Template:Salem–Palakkad sector|Salem–Palakkad sector]]. Great job done. I wish I could develop railway line templates like that. Cheers. - [[User:Chandan Guha|Chandan Guha]] ([[User talk:Chandan Guha|talk]]) 00:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== Chord lines ==

I don't think there is any point to having 2 pages where the main difference between them is the capitalisation, or not, of the second word in the title.

After a short time, if you type "Chord line", "Chord Line" or "[[chord line]]" in the search box it will display both pages anyway, won't it? --[[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''Borg'']]</sup> 12:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

:<s>Um, probably</s>Actually, it doesn’t; besides, isn’t the whole point of disambiguation pages to cover the various possibilities? [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 12:55, 11 May 2014 (UTC) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 12:58, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::It doesn't, ''yet''. I don't know how long it takes changes to 'propagate' across the WP 'database', but I am certain it will, eventually, work as I stated. For example, [[chord line]] already leads to [[Chord line]] without a dab page. Currently typing in "chord line", with ''any'' combinations of up/low case, only shows [[Chord Line, Tamil Nadu]]. 
::My entire point is that to have two pages with such similar names is entirely unnecessary as the WP search box 'function' will show both anyway. --[[user:220 of Borg|'''220''']] [[Special:Contributions/220 of Borg|''<small>of</small>'']] <sup>[[User talk:220 of Borg|''Borg'']]</sup> 14:13, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

== Transclusion ==

Dear {{ping|Useddenim|p=}}, recently i changed [[Template:Manamadurai–Virudhunagar line|this template]] to {{T|BS-map}} format. But the template isn't properly transcluding in its [[Manamadurai–Virudhunagar line|main article]]. Wondering what error i have done. Hope you could help. --[[User:Balablitz|βα£α]]([[User talk:Balablitz#top|ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ]])<sup>([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Tiruchirappalli|<em style="font-family:Georgia;color:#ff0000;font-weight: bold">Support</em>]])</sup> 21:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Useddenim|p=}}, {{Great}} help there. The transclusion of map is now visually fine at main article. --[[User:Balablitz|βα£α]]([[User talk:Balablitz#top|ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ]])<sup>([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Tiruchirappalli|<em style="font-family:Georgia;color:#ff0000;font-weight: bold">Support</em>]])</sup> 08:19, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

== TTC numeric icons ==
I am trying to upgrade the poor quality TTC numeric PNG icons to use the SVG versions. See {{Commons category-inline|Toronto Transit Commission signs}} for the files. I have tried to eliminate their usage, with the aim of having them deleted, but it still shows them linked to many articles. It could be in a template or perhaps it's just my cache. Could you help me track this down? [[User:Secondarywaltz|Secondarywaltz]] ([[User talk:Secondarywaltz|talk]]) 16:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
:{{T|rail-interchange}} seems to be very slow to update. For example, [[:File:Kiev_T_logo.png]] is still shown as in use there, 48 hours after I replaced it. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 16:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
::That is what seemed to be my problem, except I had no way of confirming it - until now. Thanks. [[User:Secondarywaltz|Secondarywaltz]] ([[User talk:Secondarywaltz|talk]]) 16:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
:::48 hours further on, and it appears that there are also issues with [[:en:WP]] and [[:commons]] coordinating their databases: compare [[:en:Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Kiev_T_logo.svg]] with [[:commons:Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Kiev_T_logo.svg]]. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 11:38, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

== NYSC templates ==

Have you considered merging {{tl|BMT4}} and {{tl|IRTE}} into {{tl|nysc}}? I totally agree that spelling out {{tlp|nysc|Court Street|BMT Fourth Avenue}} is a bit too much, but having a separate template for each line would be too much as well, in my opinion. How about something like {{tlp|nysc|Court Street|BMT4}} or {{tlp|nysc|Court Street|IRTE}}? I just have no idea how to properly contract the line names. [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 11:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
:The idea was to have short simple templates to reduce clutter; however, I may ''add'' abbreviations to {{tl|nysc}} later. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 11:19, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
::Well, I don't think four letter would add much clutter, but of course this is wholly up to you... [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 14:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

===All these NYCS station templates===
Do we really need all these templates? {{Tl|BMT4}}, {{Tl|IRTE}}, and {{Tl|IRTNL}} are unnecessary. Are you planning to make templates for the other 31 New York City Subway lines, also? IMO, this is a waste of time and {{tl|NYCS station}} or {{tl|NYCS stations}} can replace them. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 14:41, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, as time permits. And {{tl|NYCS station}} wasn’t really usable until {{U|YLSS}} fixed your edits to {{Tl|BMT4}}. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 14:54, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
::So... you intend to make templates for lines that only have seven stations (like IRTNL)? That doesn't seem very efficient, as there can only be seven possible links there. (And while templates such as {{tl|IND8}} can be useful for lines with many stations, think about the shorter lines – a template like {{tl|IND63}} can only be used three times.) [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 15:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
::Useddenim, really... {{tlp|IRTE|Hoyt Street}} is not much shorter than {{tlp|nycs|Hoyt Street|irte}}. And if you're worried about performance (although nobody has mentioned this yet), I don't think that a single #switch will make a substantial impact, especially if we compare this to the enormous {{tl|rint}}. [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 15:12, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
(OMG... Have I really been typing "nysc" instead of "nycs" all this time?! What, am I going dyslexic? [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 14:55, 22 May 2014 (UTC))
:::OK then, here’s my thoughts for abbreviations for {{tl|NYCS station}}:
:::{|class="wikitable sortable"
|-
| B4 || [[BMT Fourth Avenue Line|Fourth Avenue Line]]
|-
| B6 || [[BMT 63rd Street Line|63rd Street Line]]
|-
| BA || [[BMT Astoria Line|Astoria Line]]
|-
| BAA || [[BMT Archer Avenue Line|Archer Avenue Line]]
|-
| BB || [[BMT Broadway Line|Broadway Line]]
|-
| BBn || [[BMT Brighton Line|Brighton Line]]
|-
| BC || [[BMT Canarsie Line|Canarsie Line]]
|-
| BF || [[BMT Franklin Avenue Line|Franklin Avenue Line]]
|-
| BJ || [[BMT Jamaica Line|Jamaica Line]]
|-
| BN || [[BMT Nassau Street Line|Nassau Street Line]]
|-
| BM || [[BMT Myrtle Avenue Line|Myrtle Avenue Line]]
|-
| BS || [[BMT Sea Beach Line|Sea Beach Line]]
|-
| BW || [[BMT West End Line|West End Line]]
|-
| I2 || [[Second Avenue Subway|Second Avenue Line]]
|-
| I6 || [[IND Sixth Avenue Line|Sixth Avenue Line]]
|-
| I63 || [[IND 63rd Street Line|63rd Street Line]]
|-
| I8 || [[IND Eighth Avenue Line|Eighth Avenue Line]]
|-
| IA || [[IND Archer Avenue Line|Archer Avenue Line]]
|-
| IB || [[IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line|Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line]]
|-
| IC || [[IND Concourse Line|Concourse Line]]
|-
| ICu || [[IND Culver Line|Culver Line]]
|-
| ID || [[IRT Dyre Avenue Line|Dyre Avenue Line]]
|-
| IE || [[IRT Eastern Parkway Line|Eastern Parkway Line]]
|-
| DF || [[IND Fulton Street Line|Fulton Street Line]]
|-
| RF || [[IRT Flushing Line|Flushing Line]]
|-
| IJ || [[IRT Jerome Avenue Line|Jerome Avenue Line]]
|-
| ''IL?'' || [[IRT Lenox Avenue Line|Lenox Avenue Line]]
|-
| ''IL?'' || [[IRT Lexington Avenue Line|Lexington Avenue Line]]
|-
| IN || [[IRT Nostrand Avenue Line|Nostrand Avenue Line]]
|-
| INL || [[IRT New Lots Line|New Lots Line]]
|-
| IP || [[IRT Pelham Line|Pelham Line]]
|-
| IQ || [[IND Queens Boulevard Line|Queens Boulevard Line]]
|-
| IR || [[IND Rockaway Line|Rockaway Line]]
|-
| IW || [[IRT White Plains Road Line|White Plains Road Line]]
|-
| IX || [[IND Crosstown Line|Crosstown Line]]
|} [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 15:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
::::It's a good idea. I suggest "ILX" as an abbreviation for the Lexington Avenue Line, and "ILN" as an abbreviation for the Lenox Avenue Line. [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 15:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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== Roads on British RDTs ==

You might be interested in [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Roads on RDTs|this discussion]]. Just FYI. [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 16:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Crenshaw Line (Los Angeles Metro) ==

{{tl|Crenshaw Line (Los Angeles Metro)}} & {{tl|Crenshaw/LAX Line}}. I guess there's some duplicity here. [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 14:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:Duplicity? I don’t think so, but duplication? yes. My (eventual) intention is to move the relevant information from {{tl|Crenshaw Line (Los Angeles Metro)}} to {{tl|Crenshaw/LAX Line}} and then delete the former. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 15:16, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
::Oops, sorry for my English ;) [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 16:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Nonetheless, it’s still much better than my Russian: Da, Nyet; Do svedanya Tovaritch. (Ya nye ponimayu Russki.) [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 18:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
On a related note: could you please take care of {{tl|Croxley Rail Link RDT}} & {{tl|Railways of Watford and Rickmansworth}}? [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 10:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:Better now? [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 19:12, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
::Mmm... Great job, both of them look more realistic now, but actually I meant that since you're on the wave of eliminating forked templates ({{tl|Buffalo Metro Rail‎}}?), maybe you would provide some more weighty judgement if one of this pair should be deleted? The latter, IIUC, supplanted the former... [[User:YLSS|YLSS]] ([[User talk:YLSS|talk]]) 21:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:::That might be a bit more difficult. Whereas {{tl|Buffalo Metro Rail‎}} merged two different but related diagrams that were on the same page, {{tl|Croxley Rail Link RDT}} and {{tl|Railways of Watford and Rickmansworth}} show essentially the same information, but for different pages. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim#top|talk]]) 00:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

==Talkback==
{{talkback|Template talk:Amtrak Acela|State borders|ts=02:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)}}
[[User:Benhen1997|Ben]]<sup>[[User talk:Benhen1997|Yes?]]</sup> 02:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

== [[Template:Public transport Vienna]] ==

''Moved to [[Template talk:Public transport Vienna]]''

[[Wiener Lokalbahn|As promised :) !]] Could you please copyedit? Thanks in advance, <small><b><span style="background:#43CD80; border:2px solid #43CD80; color:yellow">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:FDMS4|<span style="color:yellow;">FDMS</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></b></small> 13:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC) <small>Ah, and if you don't agree with my stub rating, please feel free to change it.</small>