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===June 30===
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====<span id="👯">👯</span>====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 9%23👯]]

====<span id="Disbeliever">Disbeliever</span>====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 7%23Disbeliever]]

====<span id="Pain in the arse">Pain in the arse</span>====
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:The result of the discussion was <!-- Template:Rfd top--> '''soft redirect''', like its American counterpart. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 14:05, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
*<span id="Pain in the arse">{{no redirect|1 = Pain in the arse }}</span> → [[:Rectal pain]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Pain in the arse|links]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pain_in_the_arse&action=history history]&nbsp;'''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Pain%20in%20the%20arse stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Pain in the arse|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pain in the arse]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pain in the arse|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pain in the arse]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Pain in the arse|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pain in the arse]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Alt spelling of [[:Pain in the ass]] at MfD - see [[Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_June_30#Pain_in_the ass]] where suggest this is included. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 20:45, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Soft redirect''' to [[:wikt:Pain in the arse]], pending someone writing an article about either variation of this idiom. Per previous discussion linked by nom. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 20:58, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*<s>'''Comment'''</s>'''Wait'''<sup>Changed [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</sup>. This should go to wherever {{no redirect|Pain in the ass}} goes, as an {{tlx|R from alternate spelling}}. British English distinguishes between your behind, and a donkey. When Shakespeare wrote in Twelfth Night, "Methinks I was beloved of an ass", that is a donkey, not a bottom. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 02:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to [[Pain in the ass]]; assuming that becomes an article or disambiguation page -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69|70.51.203.69]] ([[User talk:70.51.203.69|talk]]) 05:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for the result at [[Pain in the ass]] before proceeding with this one. Honestly, it should have been included in that other rationale for consistency. If ass is soft redirected, so should this one. If an article is created there, this should be retargeted there, etc. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 14:41, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per Tarvix - We should wait till whatever outcome the other one gets otherwise it's gonna end up getting confusing. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 16:14, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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====<span id="Minister of Social Affairs">Minister of Social Affairs</span>====
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:The result of the discussion was '''Withdrawn'''. [[WP:BOLD]]ly, I am just going to '''retarget''' as Tavix said. <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> by [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)<!-- Template:Rfd top-->
*<span id="Minister of Social Affairs">{{no redirect|1 = Minister of Social Affairs }}</span> → [[:List of health departments and ministries]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Minister of Social Affairs|links]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minister_of_Social_Affairs&action=history history]&nbsp;'''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Minister%20of%20Social%20Affairs stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Minister of Social Affairs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Minister of Social Affairs]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Minister of Social Affairs|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Minister of Social Affairs]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Minister of Social Affairs|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Minister of Social Affairs]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

<s>'''Delete'''.</s> No ministers or ministries of Social Affairs are listed thereon. Neither the word "social" nor "affair"(s) appears at the target. [[WP:RFD#D5]] makes no sense, [[WP:SURPRISE]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to [[Ministry of Social Affairs]]. No more surprise and it makes sense. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 21:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' with Tavix. WILL YOU PLEASE STOP MAKING THINGS SO SIMPLE? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 02:11, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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====<span id="Non-Muslim">Non-Muslim</span>====
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:The result of the discussion was '''no consensus''', default to keep all. [[User:Deryck Chan|Der]][[User talk:Deryck Chan|yck C.]] 20:03, 7 July 2015 (UTC)<!-- Template:Rfd top-->
*<span id="Non-Muslim">{{no redirect|1 = Non-Muslim }}</span> → [[:Kafir]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Non-Muslim|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Non-Muslim&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Non-Muslim stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Non-Muslim|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-Muslim]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Non-Muslim|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-Muslim]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Non-Muslim|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-Muslim]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Non-Muslims">{{no redirect|1 = Non-Muslims }}</span> → [[:Kafir]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Non-Muslims|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Non-Muslims&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Non-Muslims stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Non-Muslims|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-Muslims]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Non-Muslims|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-Muslims]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Non-Muslims|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-Muslims]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="Non-muslims">{{no redirect|1 = Non-muslims }}</span> → [[:Kafir]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Non-muslims|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Non-muslims&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Non-muslims stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Non-muslims|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-muslims]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Non-muslims|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-muslims]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Non-muslims|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Non-muslims]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>

Ridiculous POV. A '''kafir''' (lit. disbeliever) is not necesarily a non-Muslim or even a Muslim depending on context, and not every single faith which is "unislamic" should be tied to Islam here so the opposite argument is not suitable for inclusion. [[User:92slim|92slim]] ([[User talk:92slim|talk]]) 00:06, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per nominator.<small>—[[User:Godsy|<span style="color:MediumSpringGreen;">Godsy</span>]]</small><sup>([[User_talk:Godsy|TALK]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Godsy|<span style="color:Goldenrod;">CONT</span>]])</sub> 00:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' No, this is precisely what a kafir is. Quoting from the article: "An Arabic term used in an Islamic doctrinal sense [...] The term refers to a person who rejects or disbelieves in God and the religious truth revealed through the mission of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad". This looks pretty much like a definition of "non-Muslim" to me...--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 05:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*"Whether a Jew or a Christian is a kafir is disputed", so clearly not everyone buys into the idea that non-Muslim = Kafir. Still, we might say "close enough" since the target article explains the varying definitions. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:59, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''delete''' kafir means non-muslim, but non-muslim does not mean kafir. [[User:Gaijin42|Gaijin42]] ([[User talk:Gaijin42|talk]]) 01:29, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
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<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, [[User:Deryck Chan|Der]][[User talk:Deryck Chan|yck C.]] 17:27, 30 June 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
*'''Comment'''. Okay, we don't have [[Non-Christian]] but we do {{no redirect|Non-Jewish}} →  [[Gentile]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::I'm an [[apathist]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Gaijin42. "Kafir" means one who is outside of, rejects or does not follow that one religion, but "non-Muslim" literally means everyone and everything that is not Muslim, regardless of context. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 19:31, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Note 1''': I just added "[[Non-Muslims]]" and "[[Non-muslims]]" to this discussion. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 21:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Note 2''': "Non-muslims" was at AFD on 21 June. You can see that discussion here: [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Non-muslims]] --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 21:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Note 3''': [[Disbeliever]] also redirects to Kafir, but I decided to nominate that one separately. You can view that discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 June 30#Disbeliever]]. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 21:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::'''Comment'''. I think I put this elsewhere and better also, but {{no redirect|Unbeliever}}  →  [[Infidel]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:47, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
**'''Comment'''. I am just doing my usual cryptic thingy stuff, but any chance that [[Unbeliever]] is a slang for [[Unilever]]. I certainly don't believe them when the say that their powder washes "three shades whiter" (an allusion to [[Fifty Shades of Grey]]?). My name is not dropped in [[spectroscope|spectroscopic]] circles, nor am I a [[household word]] where detergent agents foregather, but I am led to believe from those in the know that "shade" is not a standard [[unit of measure]]. (sings) I'm an Unmonkee... [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 00:50, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Redirects don't need to be synonyms, they can be loosely related. In this case it's perfect to have a redirect which helps a reader, unless a better target or a new article is created.--[[User:Fauzan|<span style="color:#2F4F4F">Fauzan</span>]][[User talk:Fauzan#top|<sup style="margin-left:0.5px;color:#BDB76B">✆  talk</sup>]][[Special:EmailUser/Fauzan|<sub style="margin-left:-26.5px;color:#BDB76B">✉ mail</sub>]] 20:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
*::Well then, '''Retargert''' to the DAB at [[Kaffir]]. I'm well aware some people can't spell and you are right to point that out, but an R to DAB will do everyone proud. The article at [[Kafir]] doesn't xref to this DAB in its hatnote, at the moment. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
::::No, nothing else there would be referred to as "non-Muslim", even though many things there aren't. I'm sure the [[African wildcat|wildcat]], for example, doesn't give theology much thought. ([[List of things which are not Muslim]], anyone?) --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 16:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
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====<span id="Social affairs">Social affairs</span>====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 7%23Social affairs]]

====<span id="Pain in the ass">Pain in the ass</span>====
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:The result of the discussion was <!-- Template:Rfd top--> '''soft redirect''' to Wiktionary. We're not really any closer to consensus than when this was relisted, so of the remaining two options, I'm choosing the alternative to deletion. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 13:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
*<span id="Pain in the ass">{{no redirect|1 = Pain in the ass }}</span> → [[:Rectal pain]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Pain in the ass|links]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pain_in_the_ass&action=history history]&nbsp;'''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Pain%20in%20the%20ass stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Pain in the ass|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pain in the ass]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pain in the ass|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pain in the ass]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Pain in the ass|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pain in the ass]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

We don't redirect [[:pain in the head]] to [[:headache]] etc. This sends readers to the medical article [[Rectal pain]] with a hatnote to wiktionary! Surely this is [[WP:SLANG]], and deletion and removal of the cross wiki hatnote (which isn't valid) is the correct way per SLANG, NOTHOWTO etc? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 12:59, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

:'''Delete''', as the creator of this redirect, I can assure that there never was a serious reason for its existence. [[User:Mikael Häggström|Mikael Häggström]] ([[User talk:Mikael Häggström|talk]]) 14:01, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*Unless, given its lengthy edit history, it is likely to be re-created, in which case we revert to [[special:permalink/413170355|the version of 20:38, 10 February 2011]], which uses {{tl|wiktionary redirect}}. [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*See also: {{no redirect|Pain in the arse}}. ([[wikt:pain in the arse]]) – [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 16:01, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*We don't have a lot of redirects to [[rectal pain]], the only other one is {{no redirect|Anal pain}}. The medical term for this part of the body is less widely (commonly) used than "head".– [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, was thinking the same, wiktionary redirect or salting (as SLANG). [[:Ass pain]], [[:Arse pain]], [[:Bottom pain]] are all available for those needing a PITA. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 15:37, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
::Also [[buttocks pain]]. Do we have enough pictures in our [[buttocks]] article? Just in case our readers don't know what they look like [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 16:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*This slang [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=Pain_in_the_ass&fulltext=Search is found in a surprisingly large number of articles] (mostly quotes of things people said). Certainly indicates that the slang is the [[WP:primary topic]] for the title. – [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak retarget''' to [[annoyance]]</s> as a target for the euphemism. It's quite obviously more commonly used in this context than to refer to actual rectal pain. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 16:37, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Soft redirect''' it to [[wikt:pain in the ass]]. Jokes aside, someone searching for this will probably want the definition so let's give it to them. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 17:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
::Yes, they need a wiktionary PITA, this is currently just a WP PITA. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 17:31, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Disambiguate''' to annoyance, the current target, and a wiktionary link, and anything else that comes up -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69|70.51.203.69]] ([[User talk:70.51.203.69|talk]]) 07:02, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' disambiguation. We could also include a link to [[Frustration]] in the dab, though, from the pictures on that article, it seems [[:pain in the head]] should redirect there. [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 12:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
:*'''Oppose''' disambiguation as we would be disambiguating different "definitions" of the phrase and we don't do that per [[WP:NOTDIC]]. If we want to give them a dictionary definition, we should soft redirect it to the Wiktionary entry. Besides, most of these suggestions wouldn't be valid dab entries as "pain in the ass" isn't mentioned in most (all?) of these instances ([[WP:DABMENTION]]).--[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 15:39, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
:*'''Oppose''' disambiguation as well - dabs are not meant to serve as catalogues of possible meanings for unencyclopedic epithets. In fact I'm changing my !vote to '''delete''' since this is not explained in any articles here, and I oppose soft redirecting as well per [[WP:NOTDICT]]. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 15:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::*I think [[WP:NOTDICT]] says the opposite of what you're suggesting. Check out [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#Pointers to Wiktionary]] (there should be a shortcut to this...). The bottom part of that describes this situation perfectly. If we delete it, we are encouraging someone to recreate it sometime down the road, and we don't want that. A soft redirect helps prevent that from happening while offering some information on the subject. Of course, we could delete and salt it, but I just don't think that's helpful. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
:::*Okay, you've got a point there. '''Soft redirect''' as Tavix suggests. No dab. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 19:14, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
:*'''Oppose''' disambiguation - see [[WP:SLANG]] / [[WP:NOTDIC]]. The use for navigating articles is incorrect due to slang. That aside, we have maybe 1 or 2 articles so fails [[WP:TWODABS]] (a wikt link isn't an article). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 17:28, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
*OK, I have a question for you "NOTDIC" hardliners. See [[Talk:Right (disambiguation)]], then explain to me why we should pull "{{no redirect|right}}", that is, the singular form of [[rights]], which is linked to from hundreds of articles, off of primary topic, because of the "NOTDIC" opposite of left (direction). We don't even have an article on the topic. If someone wants to know the meaning of the opposite of left, they can look it up in a dictionary. The only relevant article is [[relative direction]], and having "left", right", "up" and "down" redirects to that topic is only encouraging editors to create [[WP:OVERLINKS]]. We could delete all of these redirects, as anyone looking for the encyclopedic topic, as opposed to dictionary definitions, will search on "[[directions]]" or something generic of that sort, not a specific direction. So explain to me what I'm not getting here. [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 20:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::*I think [[WP:DABRELATED]] would cover this. "Right" is described at [[Relative direction]]; whereas "pain in the ass" is not mentioned in any article that has been suggested for a potential dab page. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 21:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::*[[WP:WHATABOUTX]] / [[WP:OFFTOPIC]] means I only have to think about PITA (or one PITA at a time). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 22:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::*:OK, then we can just update the lead of [[rectal pain]]: "'''Rectal pain''', sometimes colloquially called '''pain in the ass''', '''pain in the arse''', '''anal pain''', '''pain in the butt''', or '''pain in the buttocks''', is the symptom of [[pain]] in the area of the [[rectum]]. Many people incorrectly refer to any symptom occurring around the anal-rectal area as "[[hemorrhoids]]", so that is another colloquial term for rectal pain." Voila, now they're all mentioned in the article. – [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 23:36, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::*:I think the point is that "pain in the ass" is not off-topic (the more common "annoyance" meaning is), but rather that the secondary, and more literal, meaning of the term is on-topic. [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 00:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::(clarify: "Right" is offtopic) As for including the slang/idiom in the lead, we shouldn't per [[WP:SLANG]], doubly so due to [[WP:MEDRS]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 10:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
*This does have the potential to become an encyclopedic topic. [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=pain+in+the+ass&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cpain%20in%20the%20ass%3B%2Cc0 Google Ngrams] shows that the term was not in use prior to circa 1930. Who coined the term, and how was it first used? Why did the rate of use increase dramatically after 1960? An encyclopedic article would answer these questions. [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 23:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
*:Actually, rather than slang, this may better be called an [[idiom]]. We do have many articles on those, see [[:Category:English-language idioms]]. Again, we could make this a dab until someone writes an article about the primary topic. Examples of idioms which are dabs: [[Eager beaver]], [[Kill or be killed]], [[Go native]] and [[Hot tip]]. – [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 07:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
:::Wbm1058 probably has a point here. The difference, I think, is that all of the dabs here give a brief definition followed by specific examples of title usage (i.e. [[Eager Beaver Baseball Association]], [[Kill or Be Killed (film)]], [[Go Native (company)]], [[Hot Tip (film)]]). We don't have the same sorts of title matches for "pain in the ass", we would instead be listing things which might be considered pains in the ass. Still opposed to disambiguation, but is ''soft redirect with possibilities'' a thing? [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 22:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
::::Idiom or slang aside - whatever the utility of having an article (the idiom or notable slang - wikt says it is both) in WP or a mention in [[:List of English-language idioms]], the standard procedure of disambiguation applies - write the article ''first'' and ''after'' it may be a valid dab entry per [[WP:MOSDAB]] / disambiguation (or [[WP:DABMENTION]] respectively). Until then, it is not a valid entry in the dab ([[:PITA]]), and is a Wikt issue. I've added it to the wikt link there.
::::Regarding the [[WP:WHATABOUTX]] dabs: [[:Eager beaver]], [[:Kill or be killed]], [[:Hot tip]] [[:Go native]] are wrecks that I'm fixing. Part of that will be to use wikt links to replace idiom definitions from the intros, images, [[WP:PTM]]s per [[WP:MOSDAB]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 17:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Comment''' - soft redirecting is preferable to deletion ([[WP:PRESERVE]]), given the lack of strong consensus one way or the other, pending creation of an article if anyone wants to try. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 15:04, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Nobody mentioned {{no redirect|Pain in the arse}} yet. One {{no redirect|twonie}} → [[Toonie]] to the quid on where that goes? (No cheating.) [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 17:29, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:::'''Comment'''. Soft redirecting causes more harm than good. With those, we haven't even a trace of what people actually end up at, and so no way to make our lofty decisions. I note that in my short time here at RfD, almost all soft redirects have been essentially others saying "I can't be bothered to find a better target". [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 17:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::::The better target is [[:wikt:Pain in the ass]] (or [[:wikt:Pain in the arse]]). We can't hard-redirect to Wiktionary, so soft redirect. Is your "not a trace" argument about stats? The tool keeps stats for soft redirects. [http://www.knowyoursmiley.com/%E0%B8%81%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%E0%B9%87%CA%95%E2%80%A2%CD%A1%E1%B4%A5%E2%80%A2%CA%94-%E0%B8%81%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%89-Emoticon-Emoji-Polar-Bear-Rave-Ascii-Art-Glow-Sticks-Polar-Bear-Dancing-Japanese-Kaomoji-Smileys-272.html ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔ ก้้้้้้้้้้้] [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::My argument was indeed about not having stats on it. I've no doubt you are right or you would not have said so: therefore I follow you. There is a polar bear in the way. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 18:58, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::I should have given you an example. So I will: [[Jesusian]] - [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Jesusian stats]. As a bonus, it's a soft redirect to Wiktionary. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 19:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' MfDed {{no redirect|Pain in the arse}} with link to this discussion. Suggest they are both the same, so should be treated the same and included here. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 20:48, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::I agree, they should both be the same per [[WP:ENGVAR]], and it's best to stick our heads out here and let our "arse" follow, I think we are all agreed on that? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:41, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
{{od}}
As there's no article yet, is there a consensus for a soft reirect? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 20:48, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:I don't see so. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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:::Comment. At interviews I was conducting, I invented an acronym "[[HITA]]" to mean "Hole in the air"&ndash; a phrase [[George Orwell]] used about [[Neville Chamberlain]]. So I would ask "Are you a [[big hitter]]" as a signal to my partner interviewer that he (invariably a he) was a hole in the air, an [[oxygen thief]]. The interview would conclude promptly and politely. Similarly with [[PITA]], one can always happen to have some Greek-style bread handy. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 09:42, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Comment''' the status quo is broken - we have no navigation to the wikt entry which is the current primary meaning. Suggest pragmatic soft redirect for both ENGVARs. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 10:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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====<span id="Miguk">Miguk</span>====
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*<span id="Miguk">{{no redirect|1 = Miguk }}</span> → [[:United States]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Miguk|links]] '''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miguk&action=history history] '''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Miguk stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Miguk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Miguk]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Miguk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Miguk]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Miguk|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Miguk]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

I am not very sure of what that was meant to be. [[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 05:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*Looks like the transcription for some Asian language for the US (is "miguo" in transcibed Chinese, for example). '''Delete''' for no special affinity. '''<span style="color:#4682b4">野狼院ひさし</span>''' <small style="font-size:85%;">[[User:Hisashiyarouin|u]]/[[User Talk:Hisashiyarouin|t]]/[[Special:Contribs/Hisashiyarouin|c]]</small> 11:14, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''</s> per [[WP:RFD#D8]] as this is an obscure synonym without significant use. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 19:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
:*'''Retarget''' to [[Gook]] per Lenticel. That's a better solution than deletion. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 15:58, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to [[Gook]] where ''miguk'' was discussed as part of that slur's history. --[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 03:48, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''retarget''' to [[Names of the United States]]; and add any additional explicatory material needed to make this useful. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69|70.51.203.69]] ([[User talk:70.51.203.69|talk]]) 07:05, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to Gook, which explains it. The term isn't mentioned at Names of the United States. [[User:Oiyarbepsy|Oiyarbepsy]] ([[User talk:Oiyarbepsy|talk]]) 14:14, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
** The material at ''Gook'' says it is a name of the United States, so it should appear at ''Names of the United States'' -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69|70.51.203.69]] ([[User talk:70.51.203.69|talk]]) 03:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
**It wasn't mentioned because [[Names of the United States]] was using a non-standard ad-hoc romanisation which spelled it "mee-guk". I just fixed it to use [[Revised Romanization of Korean]] per [[WP:MOSKO#Romanization]]. [[Special:Contributions/58.176.246.42|58.176.246.42]] ([[User talk:58.176.246.42|talk]]) 18:28, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per User:Hisashiyarouin or '''retarget''' to [[Names of the United States]] per 70.51.203.69. The etymological connection to "gook" is dubious at best and redirecting it there would give undue weight to the theory. [[Special:Contributions/58.176.246.42|58.176.246.42]] ([[User talk:58.176.246.42|talk]]) 18:28, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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*'''delete''' as a redirect from non-English. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 17:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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====<span id="Integrity (mathematics)">Integrity (mathematics)</span>====
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No-brainer retarget to [[Integer]]. [[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 05:03, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' I don't see any instances of using "integrity" to mean (numerical) integer-ness. '''<span style="color:#4682b4">野狼院ひさし</span>''' <small style="font-size:85%;">[[User:Hisashiyarouin|u]]/[[User Talk:Hisashiyarouin|t]]/[[Special:Contribs/Hisashiyarouin|c]]</small> 11:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' A commutative ring having at least two elements and bereft of divisors of zero is called an integer ring (or an integrity domain).<nowiki><ref>Ioan Purdea, Gheorghe Pic, ''Tratat de algebră modernă'', Vol. 1, Editura Academiei Republicii Socialiste România, București, 1977, p. 219</ref></nowiki> [[User:Tgeorgescu|Tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:Tgeorgescu|talk]]) 14:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
::Should this target to [[integral domain]] then? [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 15:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Retarget''' to [[Integrity (disambiguation)]]. I have thought about this time and again since it was listed, but have really not come to much conclusion. "Integral" should, linguistically, be the adjective for something that is an [[integer]], but whenever I have used it in mathematical discussions (in real life, and my maths is limited mainly to [[symbolic logic]] and stuff like that, and still have to kinda draw pictures for anything more complicated than subtending the angle A) then it is genuinely confusing to people who assume I mean {{no redirect|integration (mathematics)}}  → [[Integral]].

:The ref that [[User talk:Tgeorgescu]] gives is of little relevance to an English-speaking audience. Assuming as I do that mathematics is kinda the nearest thing one gets to truth, in the sense that once an [[axiom]] is proven then it is proven ''forever'', then I am sure it is a good book: but not helpful. The sticking point is how to disambiguate the various ''English language'' derivations of the word "integer" (integral, integrity, integration, and so on).

:They may be differentiated (linguistically differentiated: not {{no redirect|differentiation (mathematics)}}  → [[Derivative]]) in Romanian, which has the usual Latinate rules, but are ambiguous in English (the title in Romanian I presume is Modern Treatise on Algebra or Treatise on Modern Algebra, that doesn't take a lot of doing except to know which is modern, the algebra or the treatise: that is a similar kind of ambiguity we have with this redirect in English).

:If as I suggest it is retargeted to the DAB, we can add a section "Mathematics" and fill in many of the good suggestions and others found here. My reason for not saying an outright delete, is that I can imagine sciency or mathematicky people with some knowledge having a clue to type "Integrity (mathematics)" to get a specific DAB on its various meanings in various mathematical fields: that would be the perfect solution, but let's do it at the main DAB first, then split it out later, if we need to ([[WP:NOTFINISHED]]). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]])
*I'm going to go out on a limb and say '''retarget''' to [[Integral domain]], based on {{ul|Tgeorgescu}}'s description matching the lede of that article. To Si's point: the "integer" and variations in this context refer to [[integer]] (a whole number) and not to [[integration (mathematics)]] which is definitely a distinct mathematical concept; let's not confuse them. I'm no expert but I have done some university-level calculus. Integrity, I believe (if I understand correctly), refers to the property of being (or not being) an integer, and is not related to integration/differentiation at all. As for commutative rings, that's beyond my knowledge. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 17:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::I'm not happy with that, {{ping|Ivanvector}}. Perhaps my modesty was too much. I know a commutative ring when I see one, if you've ever wired a [[ring circuit]] it is pretty much the same, only you have volts and amps instead of tokens running around arcs in [[graph theory]]. One might as well throw it at [[Modulo arithmetic]] for that matter, or at least [[Modulus]]. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 19:01, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::My modesty prevailed as usual. I worked for eighteen months doing the stuff your mobile phone works with, at the back end, with [[oscilloscope]]s and stuff, so I am well aware of what an IQ domain is, which is essentially on the scope you put Q on the vertical axis and I on the horizontal axis, as [[complex number]]s, and you get a lovely pattern. (Described at [[In-phase and quadrature components]], which is why it is I and Q.) And it's hard to describe but mathematicians kinda ''think'' like that. Ask them to make change out of a fiver and they can't, but give them 6i3q and they can immediately imagine it. I just have {{cite book|first=Ken|last=Stroud|title=Engineering Mathematics|date=1988|edition=3rd}} [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 20:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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====<span id="GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen">GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen</span>====
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*<span id="GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen">{{no redirect|1 = GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen }}</span> → [[:George Hamilton-Gordon, 4th Earl of Aberdeen]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen|links]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen&action=history history]&nbsp;'''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#GeorgeHamiltonGordonAberdeen]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Implausible. [[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 09:45, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
*<s>'''Delete'''</s> as [[WP:RFD#D5]] nonsense, also [[WP:RFD#D2]] confusing (could equally be [[George Hamilton-Gordon, 3rd Earl of Aberdeen]] or [[George Hamilton-Gordon, 2nd Earl of Aberdeen]] even ''then'' [[WP:TITLE]] sez we don't give people their titles in their articles, let alone [[CamelCase]] on old titles: this was a very ancient creation by [[User:BryceHarrington]] back in 2öö1, and is a remnant I think, since it has been moved several times since: but we can moved it on too, a camel doesn't take much of a kick to move it... [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 10:56, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
::Actually [[User:SimonTrew|Si]], [[WP:NCBRITPEER]] says we ''do'' use titles in most cases. I might be more upset with this if there weren't so many names in common that need [[WP:NATURAL]] disambiguation anyway. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 13:30, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I take that back: it's the obvious way to disambiguate. What I was floundering towards is that [[WP:COMMONNAME]] is still in play, so that is still at [[Elizabeth II]] (to disambiguate from [[Elizabeth I]] but not at [[Dei Gratia Regina Fidei Defensor Elizabeth Secondus]] for example, even though that's how it appears (abbreviated) on every British (and Canadian) coin. (Also oddly, to me &ndash; and I am no monarchist &ndash; [[HMQ]] as an abbreviation for "Her Majesty the Queen" is red, and {{no redirect|HMK}}  → a contested GNG stub at [[Hindu Makkal Katchi]]). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:::That would only make sense if{{no redirect|Her Majesty The Queen}} existed, which it does ( → [[Style_of_the_British_sovereign]], as does {{no redirect|His Majesty The King}}. [[Sam Weller (fictional character)|I am your wery umble servant]], [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 17:43, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to [[George Hamilton Gordon]], a DAB to which {{no redirect|George Hamilton-Gordon}} also redirects (but [[George Gordon]] and [[George Hamilton]] are both DABs). [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 11:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep (and retarget to dab if desired).'''  This is a 2001 CamelCase redirect, where at all possible we don't delete this stuff for historical reasons. All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',<small> 12:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC).</small><br />
*'''Keep''' per Rich. It matches [[George Hamilton Gordon Aberdeen]]. I'll tag it with {{t|R from CamelCase}}. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 14:45, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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*I wouldn't object to retargeting to the dab if the more typical {{no redirect|George Hamilton Gordon Aberdeen}} were retargeted there as well. {{no redirect|George Aberdeen}} also redirects to his article. I suspect the 4th Earl is [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] for the name, however, having been a UK prime minister. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 13:28, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::Do I hear the sound of a vermic tin-can opener? {{no redirect|Lord Aberdeen}} and {{no redirect|Earl Aberdeen}} both → [[Marquess of Aberdeen and Temair]], where the lede mentions that that title was created for [[John Hamilton-Gordon, 7th Earl of Aberdeen]]. Yet I would have thought "Lord Aberdeen" would be [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] for the sometime Prime Minister (and "Earl Aberdeen" likewise, does an Earl trump a Lord and a Marquess trump both, I am never sure?). I think we should follow the lines of BDD's reasoning, wherever that leads us. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:44, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:::I may be in over my head here; I don't know the British peerage system this well. Does it make sense for the Earldom of Aberdeeen to be discussed on a page nominally about a marquess...ship(?)? Especially since it looks like there were at least seven Earls of Aberdeen before the newer title was created. <small>(Side note: I may never see "marquess" without thinking it's a feminine title first.)</small> I'll check with our local experts to see if they can weigh in here. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 14:18, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::::So [[Progress]] is a feminine thing, then, since the male thing would be a [[Prog]]? [[Marionette]] is probably weirdist like that, linguistically: but then "ette" is not so much feminine as [[diminutive]]s (translators into English have great trouble with this, with languages that have that distinction: "little darling" and so on from [[Russian language]], so [[Little Nell]] would be roughly [[Nellette]] or something like that, [[back translation|back translated]]. It is not so much feminine, the "-ette", as diminutive, but has come kinda to mean so in English: [[Cosette]] is not a small [[Cos]], but [[casette]] is a small case. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 16:35, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::::An Earl is a Lord kinda by "inheritance" in the [[object oriented]] sense (I don't mean in the sense that he inherits his title, but that earls are subsets of lords, almost anyone is a lord, but only some are earls). Marquesses are kinda really [[hoi polloi]] as far as the aristocracy goes, and no, the feminine is [[Marquess]] (and various others as [[cognate]]s), not to be confused with her husband the [[marquis]]' homophonic cognate [[marquee]] (DAB), though some of them wear blouses big enough that the mistake with a [[marquee (tent)]] is easy to make. With me so far? [[Peerage of the United Kingdom]] will put you into your misery. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 16:09, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
{{collapse top|Entirely irrelevant. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 17:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)}}
::::::'''Not entirely irrelvant comment, but nearly so'''. I just realised "homophonic" and "homophobic" are just one tiny slip away on a QWERTY (and an Hungarian QWERTZ that I use, and a Belgian AZERTY that I use when translating French). We better be ''en guarde'' for that, just as typos and all that, if they come up here. [[Homophone]] and [[Homophobe]] similarly. DOI: I'm not gay, I'm an <s>un</s>happily married man.<sup>[[User:Monkap|wife]] made me strike that</sup> [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 16:15, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::::I hope you don't mind that I've hatted this, as it is in fact entirely off-topic, and filling these threads with off-topic cruft makes some people unreasonably angry for whatever reason. There is a "not to be confused" hatnote at [[homophone]] which suggests [[homophobe]], but not the reverse. That's about the best we could do, if this were to come up. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 17:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Quite right for you to do so, but I drop a lot of things I mean to kinda sort out even though I do have pen and paper and a list of things to sort out, so occasionally I just knock em in, on the understanding that people like you will know they are kinda meaningless but not harmful. My mind just shoots off in a million directions at the same time, and I don't take any drugs beyond cigarettes and booze, that is SCARY to think what it might be like if I took the hard stuff. I bet it would be brilliant: Once. Then it would be awful: Forever. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 02:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Comment'''. {{re|BDD}} is it good form to continue a discussion after relisting, in the bit before the relisting? (You started so I continued.) I know in theory the dates should pick it all out, but I tend to kinda draw a line under it when the line is drawn for relisting. Similarly, I tend to regard any !vote I have made before the relisting as not requiring me explicitly to strike it if I change my mind. What would be your (and others') opinion on it? This is a bit off-topic of course and better for the talk page, but I mention it here first. It came to my notice because WP's notification said that BDD had pinged me but I couldn't see any such comment below the relisting line. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 14:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
::Yes, I think it's fine to let the timestamps speak for themselves. And a good closer should notice if you have two votes, but I think it's always best practice to strike an older one. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 14:18, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:::{{ping|BDD}} I'll go along with that, at least I know where I stand. I think this comment and our replies should be moved out of here to [[WT:RFD]]: I'm happy to do it but happy for you to, saving you replying here. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 16:00, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' with the current target, for consistency and agreement with {{no redirect|1=George Hamilton Gordon Aberdeen}}, pending a ''new'' discussion about the proper target for all of the Aberdeen redirects mentioned here. Personally I think we should go with status quo unless and until experts on peerage weigh in, because we're clearly just guessing. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 15:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:*'''Keep''' for now. Typical. I put in the Queen, BDD follows with the King, but [[User:Ivanvector]] trumps: to which I submissively agree. I did actually look for {{tlx|WikiProject Monarchy}} and so on but couldn't find anything where we could ping them: What do you have? [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 08:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Watch out for that [[euchre|left bower]]. You could try [[WP:ROYALTY|WikiProject Royalty and Nobility]] or [[WP:BROY|WikiProject British Royalty]]. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:Ivanvector#top|talk]]) 14:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''delete''' as implausible typo. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 17:22, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' {{tl|R from camelcase}} created in that era, matching the target of {{noredirect|George Hamilton Gordon Aberdeen}} -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.32.20|67.70.32.20]] ([[User talk:67.70.32.20|talk]]) 05:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
{{replyto|BDD}} , {{replyto|Ivanvector}} I see that you to asked for a “Peerage expert”. I claim to be one but the above discussion is a bit [[TL;DR]]. Can you pose the question again? I think I figured tht it has to do with Marquesses...--[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 21:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
::There are some other questions, but the main one I was getting at: Does it make sense for {{no redirect|Lord Aberdeen}} and {{no redirect|Earl Aberdeen}} to Marquess of Aberdeen and Temair, when the latter is a newer style? Surely Earl of Aberdeen and Marquess of Aberdeen can't be synonymous. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 15:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|BDD}} The 7th Earl of Aberdeen was created 1st Marquess of Aberdeen and Temair. This way, you can say that the two titles merged, as they were held by the same person. Male descendants of the first Marquess still live today, thus the two titles are still united (the current holder is the 13th Earl and 7th Marquess, for your information). It is the established policy every time this has happened, to redirect the old title to the new one (see, for example, [[Earl of Kildare]] and [[Earl of Rutland]]), as the two titles are held by the same person and family. In fact, the new title can be considered the continuation of family legacy or even an upgrade (which is not the actual case, as both titles exist independently), as the head of the family is now a Marquess, so you cannot say that they are two completely different subjects: the article deals with the title of the family at any given time and has the current one as its title. After all, they hold the old title too. Had it changed hands on the creation of the new (or had the new been created for a second son) there would most likely be separate articles. --[[User:The Theosophist|The Theosophist]] ([[User talk:The Theosophist|talk]]) 21:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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====<span id="Unavailable">Unavailable</span>====
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:The result of the discussion was <!-- Template:Rfd top--> '''retarget''' to [[Unavailability]]. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 13:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
*<span id="Unavailable">{{no redirect|1 = Unavailable }}</span> → [[:Caller ID]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Special:WhatLinksHere/Unavailable|links]]&nbsp;'''·''' [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unavailable&action=history history]&nbsp;'''·''' [http://stats.grok.se/en/201505/Unavailable stats])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|''(@subpage)''|<span class="plainlinks">''[{{fullurl:Unavailable|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Unavailable]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Unavailable|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Unavailable]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Unavailable|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Unavailable]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]''</span>}}&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

<s>'''Weak delete'''.</s> I'm [[WP:SURPRISE]]d that it goes where it does ([[WP:RFD#D2]] confusing). Also fails [[WP:NOUN]] (it's an adjective) and is an [[WP:ORPHAN]] (though of course that does not rule it out as a redirect, but is perhaps indicative): ''nothing'' links there (except things related to this discussion) though stats say it gets hits above noise level (about three a day on average, with a spike to 23 on 14 May, for some reason). It is quite old, though (2009).

We could retarget it as {{tlx|R from opposite}} to [[Availability]], which is what the R {{no redirect|Available}} targets.

Or as a more-specific target about telephony, we do have [[Busy signal]] (to which Br. Eng. {{no redirect|Engaged tone}} redirects) but I think there is (or ''was'' before [[voicemail]] etc.) a distinction between the line being in use, and it being unavailable due to a fault, been disconnected, nonexistent number, etc. [[Line unavailable]], [[Unavailable tone]] and [[Unavailable signal]], [[Unavailable message]] are all red. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 06:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:[[Unobtainable tone]] (the usual phrase in the U.K.) and [[Unobtainable signal]] are also red. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:{{no redirect|Busy tone}} → [[Busy signal]] &mdash; adding only for completeness, nothing wrong with it. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget to [[Unavailability]]''' to match how {{No redirect|Available}} targets [[Availability]]. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 08:32, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' per Steel1943. Either I didn't look for that, or did and cocked it up. [[User:SimonTrew|Si Trew]] ([[User talk:SimonTrew|talk]]) 13:08, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' per Steel1943. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 15:11, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' per Steel -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69|70.51.203.69]] ([[User talk:70.51.203.69|talk]]) 05:26, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to [[Unavailability]] per Steel1943. --[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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