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====Wikipedia:Zionism====
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====(Continuous) nowhere differentiable function====
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<includeonly>[[File:Right-pointing white arrow in blue rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Retarget]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1685641005|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1685641005"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''retarget'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top--> to [[Differentiable function#Differentiability and continuity]]. Apologies for a prior incorrect close due to ctrl-c not grabbing the text of the redirect target, leading to the redirection of these pages to the result of a prior discussion. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 17:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Nowhere differentiable">{{no redirect|1 = Nowhere differentiable }}</span> → [[:Differentiable function]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Nowhere differentiable|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Nowhere differentiable|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Nowhere differentiable|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nowhere_differentiable|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nowhere differentiable|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere differentiable]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nowhere differentiable|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere differentiable]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Nowhere differentiable|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere differentiable]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="Nowhere differentiable function">{{no redirect|1 = Nowhere differentiable function }}</span> → [[:Weierstrass function]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Nowhere differentiable function|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Nowhere differentiable function|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Nowhere differentiable function|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nowhere_differentiable_function|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nowhere differentiable function|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere differentiable function]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nowhere differentiable function|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere differentiable function]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Nowhere differentiable function|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere differentiable function]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="Nowhere Differentiable Function">{{no redirect|1 = Nowhere Differentiable Function }}</span> → [[:Weierstrass function]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Nowhere Differentiable Function|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Nowhere Differentiable Function|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Nowhere Differentiable Function|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nowhere_Differentiable_Function|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nowhere Differentiable Function|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere Differentiable Function]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nowhere Differentiable Function|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere Differentiable Function]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Nowhere Differentiable Function|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nowhere Differentiable Function]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere">{{no redirect|1 = Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere }}</span> → [[:Weierstrass function]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Continuous_everywhere_differentiable_nowhere|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>
*<span id="Continuous, nowhere differentiable function">{{no redirect|1 = Continuous, nowhere differentiable function }}</span> → [[:Weierstrass function]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Continuous, nowhere differentiable function|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Continuous, nowhere differentiable function|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Continuous, nowhere differentiable function|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Continuous,_nowhere_differentiable_function|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Continuous, nowhere differentiable function|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Continuous, nowhere differentiable function]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Continuous, nowhere differentiable function|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Continuous, nowhere differentiable function]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Continuous, nowhere differentiable function|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Continuous, nowhere differentiable function]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Redirects to the Weierstrass function are misleading, as they imply that the Weierstrass function is the ''only'' function that is differentiable nowhere. The only related information on the topic within the article is the density of the continuous everywhere differentiable nowhere functions. Some other continuous functions that are differentiable nowhere with that being stated in the Wikipedia pages are the [[Blancmange curve]], [[Koch snowflake]], or the [[Absolute value of a complex number]] (with complex differentiation, the real derivative does exist for x != 0).

<s>In regards to [[Differentiable function]] as the target, [[WP:RDELETE#10]] applies: the target has virtually no information on the redirect ("differentiable" is defined, but nowhere differentiable functions are mentioned only as the Weierstrass function), and this topic certainly can be expanded into an article.</s> [[User:Randi Moth|Randi Moth]] [[User talk:Randi Moth|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">[[Special:Contributions/Randi Moth|Contribs]]</sub> 22:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:This nomination is not good. The Blancmange function is not nowhere differentiable, and the Koch snowflake article has precisely one (uncited!) sentence about nowhere differentiability, and absolutely no one ever talks about the property of being nowhere differentiable for complex functions.  Meanwhile the article on Weierstrass function has information about one particular example and about the general class (which makes sense because, as is clearly explained there, the individual example was constructed specifically to illustrate something about the general class).  If you want to write an article about nowhere differentiable functions, go ahead, but until you do, these redirects are all fine. --[[User:JayBeeEll|JBL]] ([[User_talk:JayBeeEll|talk]]) 17:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:: The Blancmange function is nowhere differentiable,<ref>https://mathworld.wolfram.com/BlancmangeFunction.html</ref><ref>https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-blancmange-function%3A-Continuous-everywhere-but-Tall/ff7fb4cd2fa365f3b3c75c618e8ab38b36921876</ref> and the Koch snowflake has also been constructed as an example of a curve that is continuous everywhere and differentiable nowhere: the lead of the original article talks how he sought to find a curve that is similar to the Weierstrass function but can be constructed geometrically, if Google Translate is accurate enough. Redirecting to the Weierstrass function may still be misleading with implying that it's the only nowhere differentiable function, so it may be best to move {{Section link|Weierstrass function#Density of nowhere-differentiable functions}} to [[Differentiable function]] and retarget each redirect there. [[User:Randi Moth|Randi Moth]] [[User talk:Randi Moth|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">[[Special:Contributions/Randi Moth|Contribs]]</sub> 19:07, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:: I missed that the contents of {{Section link|Weierstrass function#Density of nowhere-differentiable functions}} (i.e. that nowhere differentiable functions are typical among continuous functions) are already present in a more concise form at {{Section link|Differentiable function#Differentiability and continuity}}, so that move would mean just removing the section from [[Weierstrass function]]. So '''retarget all''' to {{Section link|Differentiable function#Differentiability and continuity}}. [[User:Randi Moth|Randi Moth]] [[User talk:Randi Moth|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">[[Special:Contributions/Randi Moth|Contribs]]</sub> 19:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:::{{re|JayBeeEll}} What do you think now that this has turned from a deletion nomination to a nomination to retarget / refine?<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 17:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Jay}} thanks for the ping.  In my opinion our most detailed content about nowhere differentiable functions (and their history and significance) is still at [[Weierstrass function]], so I would hope that ''if'' someone does a retargeting then they ''also'' do enough editing so that readers are not missing out on the content we do have.  --[[User:JayBeeEll|JBL]] ([[User_talk:JayBeeEll|talk]]) 17:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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* '''Retarget''' to [[Differentiable function#Differentiability and continuity]] per [[User:Randi Moth]]. Seems clearly better than the current target. —[[User:Mx. Granger|Mx. Granger]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 03:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to [[Differentiable function#Differentiability and continuity]] per Randi Moth. This section also has a link to [[Weierstrass function]] which might be what someone searching this was looking for, but with context so as to not cause confusion. [[User:A7V2|A7V2]] ([[User talk:A7V2|talk]]) 01:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Just let you know, wikipedia has [[Pathological (mathematics)]] (Redirected from [[Pathological function]]). --[[User:Silvermatsu|SilverMatsu]] ([[User talk:Silvermatsu|talk]]) 03:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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====Equ====
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<includeonly>[[File:White check mark in dark green rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Keep]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684922231|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684922231"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''keep'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. Consensus is for keeping the same target and pointing a hatnote at the newly created [[EQU]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> <span style="background-color: black">[[User:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">Skarmory</span>]] [[User talk:Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">(talk •</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Skarmory|<span style="color: yellow">contribs)</span>]]</span> 09:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Equ">{{no redirect|1 = Equ }}</span> → [[:Equuleus]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Equ|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Equ|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Equ|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Equ|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Equ|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Equ]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Equ|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Equ]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Equ|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Equ]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

I'm not quite sure why he just goes from directional to a less obvious word and starts with EQU? I think it should be turned into a DISApage and built in [[EQU]] and then retaget this page inward to EQU. <big>[[user:q28|Q]][[user talk:q28|𝟤]][[special:contribs/q28|𝟪]]</big> 21:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:Equ is the astronomical symbol for the constellation Equuleus. If any other meaning does exist, then, and only then, should the redirect become a disambig page. I could find no other meaning on any Wiktionary or Wikipedia page. There is no equ ISO 639 language code, for instance. [[User:Urhixidur|Urhixidur]] ([[User talk:Urhixidur|talk]]) 23:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Urhixidur|Urhixidur]], But I see a lot of words beginning with Equ, The abbreviation for some of these words is Equ. <big>[[user:q28|Q]][[user talk:q28|𝟤]][[special:contribs/q28|𝟪]]</big> 00:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

*'''Keep''', unless a far more plausible target can be asserted. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 01:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now per above. Note that there are good targets for an EQU dab: [[Air Equator]] which has EQU as its airline designator and [[For a Just Kazakhstan]] which is called EQU. --[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' and create [[EQU]] as a disambiguation for the other good targets, also IOC Discipline Code for [[Equestrian at the Summer Olympics]], abbreviation for equative in [[List of glossing abbreviations]], [[Equ Press]], abbreviation for equation (maybe cover this in wiktionary) [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 04:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Lenticel|AngusWOOF}} Thank you for the disambiguation suggestions! I have just created [[EQU]], which might be a better target. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 04:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Keep''': Per Urhixidur. Glad to see a DAB has been created for EQU. [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 13:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' but hatnote [[Equuleus]] with <code><nowiki>{{redirects here|Equ|other uses|EQU}}</nowiki></code> or something similar. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 14:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:*'''Support''' making a hatnote pointing to the EQU dab. --[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 00:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
:*:'''Thirded'''. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 22:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
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====Dillaby====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684886301|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684886301"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 23:58, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Dillaby">{{no redirect|1 = Dillaby }}</span> → [[:Patagonian mara]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Dillaby|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Dillaby|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Dillaby|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dillaby|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Dillaby|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Dillaby]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dillaby|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Dillaby]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Dillaby|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Dillaby]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Apparently a hoax. "Dillaby" was added to [[Patagonian mara]] as another common in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patagonian_mara&diff=505293567&oldid=499582870 2012] by an IP with no other edits. I haven't been able to find any sources for dillaby as a common name that weren't clearly scraped from Wikipedia, and I removed it from the article. The redirect should be deleted as well. [[User:Plantdrew|Plantdrew]] ([[User talk:Plantdrew|talk]]) 21:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
:The database says I created this iteration of it, but that was basically just a restoration of someone else's creation.  Just chiming in to say that I don't have an opinion.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 00:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[User talk:Veverve|talk]]) 15:55, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' due to lack of verifiable evidence or any stated etymology/origin. I note that I can find sources stating that it is a surname (albeit a rare one) which might explain the original vandalism. [[User:Anaxial|Anaxial]] ([[User talk:Anaxial|talk]]) 08:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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====Excalibur (make a separate article)====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684886291|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684886291"></span>
:''The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's [[Help:Using talk pages|talk page]] or in a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]]). No further edits should be made to this section.''

:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 23:58, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Excalibur (make a separate article)">{{no redirect|1 = Excalibur (make a separate article) }}</span> → [[:Project Excalibur]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Excalibur (make a separate article)|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Excalibur (make a separate article)|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Excalibur (make a separate article)|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Excalibur_(make_a_separate_article)|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Excalibur (make a separate article)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Excalibur (make a separate article)]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Excalibur (make a separate article)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Excalibur (make a separate article)]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Excalibur (make a separate article)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Excalibur (make a separate article)]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

This redirect was created two years ago by a new user, seemingly as a request to have a second article on either the target topic or on [[Excalibur]], which wouldn't be allowed per [[WP:REDUNDANTFORK]]. Anyway, delete it because of the implausible title and the lack of page history. [[User:Dsuke1998AEOS|Dsuke1998AEOS]] ([[User talk:Dsuke1998AEOS|talk]]) 19:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete and send to [[WP:DAFT]]''' per nom. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 23:49, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above. I'll assume that this was an unorthodox way of asking things. --[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:55, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom housekeeping. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 03:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''': As implausible and as housekeeping. [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 13:47, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom- unhelpful and ridiculous. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 14:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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====11 Piscis Austrini====
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<includeonly>[[File:Right-pointing white arrow in blue rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Retarget]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1685594274|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1685594274"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''retarget'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top--> to [[List of stars in Piscis Austrinus]]. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 04:37, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="11 Piscis Austrini">{{no redirect|1 = 11 Piscis Austrini }}</span> → [[:Piscis Austrinus]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:11 Piscis Austrini|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/11 Piscis Austrini|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/11 Piscis Austrini|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-03-31&end=2023-04-29&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=11_Piscis_Austrini|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:11 Piscis Austrini|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#11 Piscis Austrini]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:11 Piscis Austrini|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#11 Piscis Austrini]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:11 Piscis Austrini|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#11 Piscis Austrini]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="20 Piscis Austrini">{{no redirect|1 = 20 Piscis Austrini }}</span> → [[:Piscis Austrinus]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:20 Piscis Austrini|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/20 Piscis Austrini|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/20 Piscis Austrini|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-03-31&end=2023-04-29&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=20_Piscis_Austrini|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:20 Piscis Austrini|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#20 Piscis Austrini]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:20 Piscis Austrini|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#20 Piscis Austrini]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:20 Piscis Austrini|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#20 Piscis Austrini]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>
This is one of the redirects from stars I found for this constellation, but it is not listed at [[List of stars in Piscis Austrinus]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
:Added a second star with a similar problem. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

* '''<s>Weak</s> Retarget''' to [[List of stars in Piscis Austrinus]] as creator: these stars seem to exist <s>but I cannot find many reliable sources about them.</s> Information about them can be added to the list. Previous RfDs have resulted in these sorts of redirects being retargeted to the lists. [[User:InterstellarGamer12321|<b>InterstellarGamer12321</b>]] ([[User talk:InterstellarGamer12321|<span style="color:#157710;">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/InterstellarGamer12321|<span style="color:#e00000;">contribs</span>]]) 10:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
::<s>If it becomes clear that these stars do not exist, I am fine with deletion and they should be removed from [[Template:Piscis Austrinus]]. [[User:InterstellarGamer12321|<b>InterstellarGamer12321</b>]] ([[User talk:InterstellarGamer12321|<span style="color:#157710;">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/InterstellarGamer12321|<span style="color:#e00000;">contribs</span>]]) 10:05, 30 April 2023 (UTC)</s>
:::Sources have been found. [[User:InterstellarGamer12321|<b>InterstellarGamer12321</b>]] ([[User talk:InterstellarGamer12321|<span style="color:#157710;">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/InterstellarGamer12321|<span style="color:#e00000;">contribs</span>]]) 06:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
::Yes, they exist, they are both in SIMBAD: [https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=*+11+PsA 11 PsA], [https://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident=*+20+PsA 20 PsA]. Most of the data that would be included in the list is also in SIMBAD (distance can be derived from parallax). [[User:SevenSpheres|SevenSpheres]] ([[User talk:SevenSpheres|talk]]) 23:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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*'''Retarget''' to the list.  They probably aren't notable enough to ever be mentioned in the article about the constellation, but both probably should be in the list as near-naked-eye stars.  Certainly more notable than some other stars in constellation lists.  [[User:Lithopsian|Lithopsian]] ([[User talk:Lithopsian|talk]]) 13:51, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to [[List of stars in Piscis Austrinus]], and add entries to the list based on sources found by {{noping|SevenSpheres}}. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 14:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to the list and tag as {{tl|R without mention}}. The list looks complicated, otherwise I would have attempted to add then entries myself.<span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 17:28, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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====Gran Matador Brandy====
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<includeonly>[[File:White equals sign on grey rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=No consensus]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684890779|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684890779"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''no consensus'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> '''[[User talk:J947|<span style="color:#137412;">J947</span>]]''' † <sup>[[Special:Contributions/J947|edits]]</sup> 01:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Gran Matador Brandy">{{no redirect|1 = Gran Matador Brandy }}</span> → [[:Ginebra San Miguel]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Gran Matador Brandy|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Gran Matador Brandy|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Gran Matador Brandy|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-03-31&end=2023-04-29&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gran_Matador_Brandy|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Gran Matador Brandy|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gran Matador Brandy]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Gran Matador Brandy|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gran Matador Brandy]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Gran Matador Brandy|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gran Matador Brandy]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

This page title is not mentioned anywhere on the target page [[User:Mattdaviesfsic|Mattdaviesfsic]] ([[User talk:Mattdaviesfsic|talk]]) 23:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' added cited info in the target article. --[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:02, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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* '''Delete''' in that case. RfD should not be used to force content that the editors of an article do not want to appear. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''': It's a product of the company, as shown by Lenticel's citation that was added. [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 17:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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====Scottish Trans====
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<includeonly>[[File:White equals sign on grey rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=No consensus]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684890703|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684890703"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''no consensus'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> '''[[User talk:J947|<span style="color:#137412;">J947</span>]]''' † <sup>[[Special:Contributions/J947|edits]]</sup> 01:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Scottish Trans">{{no redirect|1 = Scottish Trans }}</span> → [[:Equality Network#Scottish Trans Alliance]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Scottish Trans|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Scottish Trans|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Scottish Trans|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-03-31&end=2023-04-29&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Scottish_Trans|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Scottish Trans|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Scottish Trans]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Scottish Trans|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Scottish Trans]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Scottish Trans|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Scottish Trans]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Could feasibly be misleading to suggest an article about transgender people in Scotland, or the like. Not certain to what extent that it could reflect the STA that it is redirected to. [[User:Mattdaviesfsic|Mattdaviesfsic]] ([[User talk:Mattdaviesfsic|talk]]) 23:22, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

:Hi, "Scottish Trans" is the current brand for "Scottish Trans Alliance".  There was [https://www.scottishtrans.org/unveiling-our-new-brand/ rebranding in 2017].  However, I couldn't find a source that explicitly says that "Scottish Trans" is the new brand for "Scottish Trans Alliance" and if I recall rightly there were some more recent articles that referred to it as STA.  So I'd argue not to delete the redirect. [[User:AndyGordon|AndyGordon]] ([[User talk:AndyGordon|talk]]) 15:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Notified of the discussion at the target talk.<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Segoe Script">[[User:Jay| Jay]]</span><span style="font-size:115%">[[User talk:Jay| 💬]]</span> 11:50, 16 May 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
* '''Keep''' as primary topic. The website uses "Scottish Trans" as its main name. Was there another group this could refer to? [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 04:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Not mentioned in target. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 22:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
*:It's mentioned in the reference as its official website to support the staff members count. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 13:39, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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====February 6 earthquake====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 31%23February 6 earthquake]]

====Kloreen====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684825522|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684825522"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 07:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Kloreen">{{no redirect|1 = Kloreen }}</span> → [[:Chlorine]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Kloreen|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Kloreen|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Kloreen|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-08&end=2023-05-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kloreen|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Kloreen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kloreen]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Kloreen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kloreen]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Kloreen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kloreen]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
{{oldrfdlist|Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_20#Misspellings_of_chemical_element_names|no consensus|Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_29#Kloreen,_buryum|delete}}

Highly implausible redirect, seems to be a phonetic joke. <b>[[User talk:Praseodymium-141|<span style="color:#028A0F"><sup>141</sup></span>]][[User:Praseodymium-141|<span style="color:#A32CC4">Pr</span>]] {[[Special:Contributions/Praseodymium-141|contribs]]}</b> 18:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Certainly phonetic, but it's not a joke. Creation edit summary: {{tq|Created redirect. There was a mass discussion, but literally only two people argued this one should be deleted. While awkward, it IS a plausible phonetic spelling, and there's no harm in keeping it.}} Old RfDs added. This is perhaps [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Kloreen not completely implausible] either. '''[[User talk:J947|<span style="color:#137412;">J947</span>]]''' † <sup>[[Special:Contributions/J947|edits]]</sup> 21:49, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small>[[User:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b>]]</small> <sup>[[User talk:CycloneYoris|<b style="color:purple">''talk!''</b>]]</sup> 08:00, 16 May 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>

*'''Delete'''. Per nomination and per the last RFD, which was unanimous: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_29#Kloreen,_buryum]. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 00:15, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' searches point to non-notable entertainers. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 04:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Speedy delete''' as a repost of what was deleted on 2019 September 29.  Even aside from that, the votes for the 2019 September 20 discussion can be ignored: most of the voters (including me, but I don't remember participating) either wanted to keep one or two particular items, or wanted to keep everything on procedural grounds.  The latter option basically says "this is a messy nomination, so keep everything and renominate a few individual items at a time".  (It's not an argument for keeping any particular item.)  Since that approach won the day, someone followed the instructions and renominated Kloreen a few days later, and it was deleted.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 21:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
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====Ben Carlton====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 27%23Ben Carlton]]

====Ice Blonde====
[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Relisted''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 27%23Ice Blonde]]

====Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684825469|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684825469"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 07:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover">{{no redirect|1 = Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover }}</span> → [[:Queen Victoria]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-08&end=2023-05-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Alexandrina_Victoria_von_Wettin,_nee_Hanover|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, nee Hanover]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

'''Delete''' - Implausible search term. [[User:Estar8806|Estar8806]] ([[User talk:Estar8806|talk]]) 01:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Unlikely search term and if someone did search for it, 'Alexandrina Victoria' and 'Hanover' would get them where they wanted to be. [[User:DrKay|DrKay]] ([[User talk:DrKay|talk]]) 04:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', harmless. '''[[User talk:J947|<span style="color:#137412;">J947</span>]]''' † <sup>[[Special:Contributions/J947|edits]]</sup> 06:14, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Not something she was ever known as.[[Special:Contributions/98.228.137.44|98.228.137.44]] ([[User talk:98.228.137.44|talk]]) 22:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
**Per [[Special:History/Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin, née Hanover]], this is a {{tq|College of Arms recommend married name of Queen Victoria}}. And a search quickly confirms sometimes she has indeed been known by that name. '''[[User talk:J947|<span style="color:#137412;">J947</span>]]''' † <sup>[[Special:Contributions/J947|edits]]</sup> 22:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' as completely unsubstantiated, much less mentioned, in target article. "Wettin" does not appear at all in the target article; Hanover is only mentioned as [[House of Hanover]], not "nee". So at this point this redirect is some sort of POINTy misinformation. If someone believes the details to be true, that should be taken up on the talkpage of the article, not via a subversive redirect. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 00:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': a search confirms that the name "Alexandrina Victoria von Wettin" is sometimes mentioned as an alternative name for Queen Victoria, but I can't find any evidence of anyone actually {{em|using it as her name}}.  Not a plausible search term; doesn't appear in the article. (And see [[Talk:Queen Victoria/Surname]] for a previous extremely tedious argument about whether it was her name in any meaningful sense). [[User:Caeciliusinhorto-public|Caeciliusinhorto-public]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public|talk]]) 08:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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====Ambrosial====
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====Discovery's Son====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684825442|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684825442"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 07:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Discovery's Son">{{no redirect|1 = Discovery's Son }}</span> → [[:Discovery (1602 ship)]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Discovery's Son|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Discovery's Son|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Discovery's Son|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Discovery%27s_Son|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Discovery's Son|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Discovery's Son]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Discovery's Son|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Discovery's Son]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Discovery's Son|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Discovery's Son]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Name in the infobox is unsourced, elsewhere in the article it is just known as "Discovery". [[User:Mattdaviesfsic|Mattdaviesfsic]] ([[User talk:Mattdaviesfsic|talk]]) 06:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

*'''Delete'''. Apparently meaningless, confusing redirect and never mentioned in target. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 00:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per above. I can't find a good target via a cursory Google Search either --[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 01:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
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====Crichy Crich====
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<includeonly>[[File:White x in red rounded square.svg|16px|link=|alt=Delete]] '''Closed discussion''', see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#1684814131|full discussion]]. Result was: </includeonly><noinclude><span id="1684814131"></span>
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:The result of the discussion was </noinclude>'''delete'''<includeonly></div></includeonly><noinclude><!-- Template:Rfd top-->. [[User:Explicit|<span style="color:#000000">✗</span>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:white;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">plicit</span>]] 03:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
*<span id="Crichy Crich">{{no redirect|1 = Crichy Crich }}</span> → [[:Orgy (band)#Singles]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Crichy Crich|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Crichy Crich|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Crichy Crich|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-04-16&end=2023-05-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Crichy_Crich|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Crichy Crich|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crichy Crich]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Crichy Crich|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crichy Crich]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Crichy Crich|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crichy Crich]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Not the same person; nonsensical to redirect to another artist's discography [[User:JalenFolf|<span style="font-size:1.2em;font-family:eurofurence;background:#368ec9;color:white">Jalen Folf</span>]] [[User talk:JalenFolf|<span style="background:#6babd6;color:black">(talk)</span>]] 00:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:*''' Keep, retarget, or create article '''- Crichy Crich performed "[[Army to Your Party]]" with Orgy. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 15:50, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Not mentioned in target at all; therefore meaningless. [[WP:NOTADVERTISING]]. NOTE: The "keep" voter above created the redirect. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 23:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
*:*''' Comment '''- Actually, Crich is mentioned as being featured on "Army to your Party", '"Army to Your Party" (featuring Crichy Crich)[50]'. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 15:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
*::*I see that now (I must have spelled that wrong when I searched), but there is no reason to redirect to another artist's discography. If this is the only recording CC ever appeared on, then they are non-notable and do not deserve a redirect per [[WP:NOTADVERTISING]]. If CC has made or appeared on other recordings, then the redirect is severely misleading. If CC meets Wikipedia notability thresholds, then create an article on them instead of a misleading redirect. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 23:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
*::*:*''' Reply '''- This is a similar situation to the former redirect from [[Nessa Barrett]] to [[Jdxn]].  Since A2YP is likely the only song for which Crich is known, the redirect should remain in place. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 11:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' it is not clear "Army to Your Party" is a notable track to be listed in the singles. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><span style="color: #606060;" class="nowrap">AngusW🐶🐶F</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style=" color: #663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color: #006600;">sniff</span>]]) 04:29, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
*:*''' Reply '''- If the track is a single, it should be in the table.  If the track is in the table, the redirect should remain. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 15:06, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - I don't think a contextless feature on a contextless single is enough to warrant a redirect. If I was a reader searching for more information, I don't think this is really enough to satiate any readers need for information on the subject. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 01:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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