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This project is launched to make articles related to [[Protected areas of India]] an Featured. Pls. join this project. [[user:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;"> (Talk) </span>]] 10:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Collaboration style and topics==

Since there are only 4 of us at present, we should probably have a collaboration of the month - and informally or formally decide on one topic from the candidates. [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 22:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

:As per [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]]'s comments in the talk page for Collaboration of the Month. Let us select any well known NP which is stub and can expand it. I would suggest to go for [[Kaziranga National Park]] which is stub but is well known. [[user:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;"> (Talk) </span>]] 10:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

:I would second Kaziranga. Let us have it as the collaboration of the month for February. What do the others think ? As for the remaining days of January, lets clean up the Indian PA category entries. They are in a mess. [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 16:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, let's have Kaziranga as the collaborative effort for February, 2007. Hope some of you guys have good resources so that the article can be improved :) Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 18:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

:::Good, I think this is a consensus. I have also destubbed or created most of the blanket articles, and some additional ones on Forest Department terms we may need. Category sorting is left, as are issues of userboxes, user categories, logos, and stub templates. If we can get these done by Jan 31, we can start off the Wikiproject properly in Feb. By the way, I am now going to vanish for some time and resurface a few days later. [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 01:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

==Some suggestions for improvement==
*Use of Hindi in PAs: I think there is no justification of using Hindi in all PAs except in the areas where hindi is the popular local language. If we continue following this norm then all Wikipedia article related to India should have hindi name, which I think is highly debatable. Remove the use of hindi language policy. I am strictly not against any language.
:Agreed. Having Hindi everywhere might not serve much purpose, I will change the Hindi part in the directives [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
::Solved as steps taken by [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]]. [[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
* New Userbox and user category related to Indian PA should be created
:Hmm . The standard have a global PA infobox, which looks sufficient. Only a few countries have their own PA infobox, typically due to additional info which cant be accomodated by the original infobox (like website url for australia). A user category would definitely help, though ! [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
::I mean Userbox and user category for this Wikiproject. [[user:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;"> (Talk) </span>]] 11:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Created [[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

* Wikiproject message and Indian PA stub should be created. Preferrably with some comination of green.
:Yes, definitely these need to be done. Amartya can you do it? I am a bit short of time these days. [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
::Created [[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
* New image or logo of this Wikiproject might have the map of India with PA written on the map boldly in green. [[user:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;"> (Talk) </span>]] 14:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:Good idea. [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
::Created [[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

== Ulterior Motives==
Reasons for working on this topic are:
* Concern about recent human intrusion into this [[wilderness]] area, especially illegal forest clearing and agricultural cultivation. 
* Concern about the resulting reduction or extinction of the high proportion of [[endemic species]] of flora and fauna in these unique [[South Western Ghats montane rain forests]].    
* Concern about degradation of the culture and habitat of the native nomadic [[Palayan]] tribes people who have lived in the caves of this area for millenniums.
* To stimulate awareness and action to reverse the above intrusion and degradation, including stepped up enforcement of existing [[Environmental policy of the Government of India]]. [[User:Marcus334|Marcus334]] 19:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

=='''Legislation''' from Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests==

* '''[http://www.envfor.nic.in/legis/legis.html  “Legislations on Environment, Forests, and Wildlife” from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests]
'''
* [http://www.envfor.nic.in/legis/legis.html#S “India’s Forest Conservation Legislaton: Acts, Rules, Guidelines”, from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests]
* [http://www.envfor.nic.in/legis/legis.html#R Wildlife Legislations, including - “The Indian Wildlife (Protection) Act” from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests]
* '''[http://www.envfor.nic.in/ Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests]'''

* [http://www.helplinelaw.com/docs/wildlife/index.php  The Wildlife Protection Act, 1972] (Non Government)


[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 07:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)



==Best wishes for this Project and thankyou all for your efforts from Atul==

* '''Invitation for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India]]'''

Thanks. Would you be interested in the newly formed [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India]] ?

Cheers. [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 04:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

* '''Invitation for Group for discussion [http://groups.google.com/group/Wiki_India_Nature group]'''

You may be interested in joining the [http://groups.google.com/group/Wiki_India_Nature group] for discussions leading to article improvement on wikipedia in the area of Indian biodiversity. [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] 07:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

* '''reply'''

Thanks Ray and Shyamal for inviting me, I will love to contribute much more to Wikipedia on India’s Natural Heritage and Wildlife etc. which are interests close to my heart but I am still not so good in keyboarding, that makes me really very slow. I really admire the work on Wikipedia that anybody can access easily, especially the growing work on wildlife and conservation in India that you all are generating. I am glad you all have got together for '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India]]''' and am sure overtime coordinated effort by members will improve the coverage systematically. I feel very happy that in the long-term this material will be easily available to younger generation, school kids and budding naturalists not only of our region but worldwide spurring their love and respect for environment as a whole. 

I really admire your efforts and enjoy your work.

Atul Singh Nischal {{User|Atulsnischal}}

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 02:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

==Great Website of an '''Indian Zoo'''==

Zoos in India dont have websites of their own yet, but this is a great example that stands out:

* [[NandanKanan]], [[Orissa]], [[India]] 
* [http://www.nandankanan.org/ Official Website of: "Nandankanan Zoological Park", Bhubaneswar, Orissa, India]

Located in: [[Chandaka forest]] ???

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 03:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Noticed another website of an Indian Zoo:

* [[Nehru Zoological Park]], [[Hyderabad, India|Hyderabad]]
* [http://www.hyderabadzoo.org/ Official website of: "Nehru Zoological Park, Hyderabad", Andhra Pradesh Forest Department, India]

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 04:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

==Kaziranga NP - Collaboration of the Month (February 2007)==

The article is presently a stub. 

=====What it has=====
*An infobox (incomplete)
*A history of the protected status of the park (needs verification and a reference)
*Brief one liners on the
**Flora 
**Fauna
*Park information (incomplete)

=====Some sources=====

*Kaziranga at the Google News Archive - [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Kaziranga&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnG=Search+Archives link]
*Useful books on Rhino conservation -  [http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0231084501&id=o6HuJQBmtksC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=Kaziranga&sig=cCgzQa9-zXPJwvKkb1s0X5CrWP8 link]  [http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0060558032&id=FVbyOnxumYEC&pg=PA200&lpg=PA200&dq=Kaziranga&sig=o7nhouBoLuV-uIvhgHuLAwsJ-zU link]

*Children's lit on Kaziranga [http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0313254893&id=GSjcQ7Sm5E4C&pg=RA1-PA133&lpg=RA1-PA133&dq=Kaziranga&sig=Lzh-Trm53oiqkiQBbL-Bg2vCTA0 link]

*A map to get our bearings, not usable for WP [http://encarta.msn.com/map_701513665/Kaziranga_National_Park.html link]

*Official UN document (for data and citations) [http://www.unep-wcmc.org/sites/wh/kazirang.html link]

*UNESCO WHS page [http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=337 link]

*Some census data [http://www.gisdevelopment.net/application/natural_hazards/landslides/ma06_96.htm link]

*Commercial website [http://www.indianholiday.com/india-wildlife-holidays/kaziranga/kaziranga-happenings.html link]

*Details on a website I usually deem v accurate [http://www.kolkatabirds.com/kaziranga.htm link]

*WTI reports on projects, etc [http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/html/reports/Silent_Stranglers.pdf link], Newsfeeds [http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.wildlifetrustofindia.org+kaziranga&hl=en&rlz=1B2GGGL_enUS177&start=0&sa=N link]

*The closest thing to an official website [http://janasanyogassam.nic.in/kaziranga.htm link], the 100 yr celebration website doesnt work

*Flickr commercial photos tagged kaziranga [http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kaziranga&l=comm link]

*Wikimedia cat [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Kaziranga_National_Park link]

* The sat photo is terrific, but we need a US gov photo [http://perljam.net/google-satellite-maps/id/7088/India/Assam/Bokakhat/Kaziranga_National_Park__UNESCO_ link]

== PAI Tool Box: Concensus needed ==
{{Infobox protected area
| name = Protected area
{{Location map|India
 |label= Name of Protected Area
 |position=right
 |background=
 |lat=25.0
 |long=75
 |float=left
 |width=300
}}
| iucn_category = 
| location = [[Village]],[[Town]],[[District]]
| nearest_city = [[City]], [[State]]
| coordinates = {{coord|25|0|0|N|75|0|0|E|format=dms|display=inline,title}}
| area = # km²
| established = [[Year]]
| visitation_num = # People 
| visitation_year = year
| governing_body = Dept of___, Ministry of___
}}


*If we reach concensus on User box, Message box and Info box should they be in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject India]] Tools or add [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India|(section)==Tools==]] on Project page?<br />---[[User:Marcus334|Marcus]] 00:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
===Infobox/Map===
Blank [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India/Infobox|Protected areas of India/Infobox]] for use in [[Protected areas of India]] Articles.
===User category===
You may list yourself in the [[:Category:WikiProject Protected areas of India participants]] by adding the following to your userpage.
<nowiki>[[Category:WikiProject Protected areas of India participants| {{subst:PAGENAME}}]]</nowiki><br />
===Stub notice===
You may use '''{{tl|India-protected-area-stub}}''' for any Indian protected area stubs that you write or come across. This will automatically put the article in [[:Category:Indian protected area stubs]].
{{India-protected-area-stub}}
===User box===
You can also add the {{tl|User WINDPA}} user box to your userpage.  Inclusion of the userbox will automatically add you to the user category.
{{User WINDPA}}

:The template is made with default Wiki templates on Userbox. I think there is no reason to resize. [[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 11:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
*However, please also manually add your name to the [[#participants|project's list of participants]].
*<div style="float: left; border:solid #98AD77 1px; margin: 1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width: 305px; background: #D1F9A2;"
| style="width: px; height: px; background:  #D1F9A2; text-align: center; font-size: {{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}pt; color: {{{id-fc|black}}};" |[[Image:50px-India-locator-map-T-PA.jpg]]
| style="font-size: {{{info-s|8}}}pt; padding: 4pt; line-height: 1.25em; color: {{{info-fc|black}}};" | This user is a member of '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India|WikiProject<br /> Protected areas of India]]'''.
|}
</div>User:Marcus334|Marcus]] 22:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

===Message box===
[[Template:WikiProject Protected areas of India]] similiar to:
#It needs group consensus and editing by a WikiBoxGuru--[[User:Marcus334|Marcus]] 00:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
#Nice templates but I do not think in India, buildings are referred as PA. So no need to add photo of Taj, instead use the the Indian PA image on one side.[[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 11:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
#Ok the templates now looks better. But can we get a photo with some wild animal with a beautiful scenery as background. The current picture of mt. kanchenjunga seems that this project is of a mountain. [[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 11:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
#Replaced Image:Kangchenjunga.JPG. Realistic forest habitat: can't see tiger face clearly.  Someone else pitch in here.--[[User:Marcus334|Marcus]] 06:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
#Done and added to the [[WP:IND]] banner. [[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 11:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

==Email group- Wikipedians for Indian Nature==
This is an additional forum which has many Wikipedia supporters who may not be very WikiSavvy.
All are welcome to: [http://groups.google.com/group/Wiki_India_Nature group:|Wikipedians for Indian Nature]for discussions leading to article improvement on Wikipedia in the area of [[Nature]] in India. [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] 07:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

==Infantile '''"[[Hindi]]"''' Wikipedia==

* [http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%B7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A0 Hindi Wikipedia]
* [http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%88_%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B8 Article on Eurasian lynx from HINDI Wikipedia]

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 07:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

=='''[[WT:INB]]'''==

* '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WT:INB Wikipedia talk: "Notice board for India-related topics"]'''

'''Please make use of this notice board if needed (Link also included in our Taxbok).'''

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 16:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

==Please help with reference for important historical fact taught in Indian School History books (when you have some time)==

For [[Common Indian Monitor]] scientific page, somebody is threating to take the para out

===Historical anecdote===
{{OR-sect}}
{{Unreferenced|date=April 2007}}
[[Shivaji]]'s general [[Tanaji Malusare]] used Shivaji’s famous pet [[monitor lizard]] which is locally known as ''ghorpad'' named "Yeshwanti" with a rope tied around its waist for climbing up the walls of the [[Sinhagad]] fort from it’s steepest and the least guarded side in the dead of a moonless night during the [[Battle of Sinhagad]]. Once he had scaled up himself after the giant lizard, up the sheer steep cliff unnoticed, he threw down rope ladders for others to climb. {{Fact|date=April 2007}}This Common Indian Monitor ''(Varanus bengalensis)''  found locally in present day [[Maharashtra]] is the species of Monitor Lizard said to have been used which is also known as ''ghorpad'' in [[Marathi]]. {{Fact|date=April 2007}}

Ghorpads are famous for their ability to cling to smooth surfaces, and were traditionally trained for this purpose by herders in the area. {{Fact|date=April 2007}}

Thanks

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 22:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

:This is a fine piece of historic anecdote, the only problem is that it is without references from a valid reliable source. Atul provided only two references, one was to a music site article; the other being from indbazaar.com. None of these are reliable sources at all. I've requested Atul to provide a reliable source such as books from historians, but am yet to see that. There is actually no problem in having this anecdote, but we need to be careful to stuff an encylopedia with facts that are supported (so far) only by a music site article. If this is a historic fact, there must be some historic references to it. Provide that and move along, that's the wikipedia policy. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 23:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed User:Ragib started editing the the [[bengal monitor]] page by distorting the historical anecdote of Maratha over Mugal victory first. Strange. Made it into a "persistant myth" from fact, now he wants a  reference for each sentence otherwise he threatened to take the pagragraph out.

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 00:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

:Huh? Where does "maratha vs Mughal" even come into the picture!!! You add a tidbit to an article, when asked for references provide a google cache link to a music site, and now making even more misleading claims about what I stated!! Why don't you just provide a reference for the information, from a reliable source (which is not from a google cache of a music site). [[WP:V|Verifiability]] is Wikipedia's basic principle, and instead of finding hidden motives, why don't you just dig up a usable reference? Waiting for that. (I frankly don't care whatever the myth is about, but it needs to be verifiable. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 00:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
::Please continue discussion on [[Talk:Bengal monitor]]. [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] 02:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

==Your ([[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]]) article [[Wildlife of India]]==

Dear Atulnischal, I'm not sure what grand plan you have in mind, but copying the section on Flora and Fauna from the [[India]] page and pasting it to create a new article and then referencing it on the India page itself requires some explanation. [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B;">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090;">«Talk»</span>]] 23:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[[User talk:Saravask]]


"Wildlife of India" deserves an article in its own right, "Wildlife of India" is a popular term that people look for and search for on the internet, school kids, nature lovers and people who want to go on nature and eco-tourism trips etc. General people and younger generation looking for Info on Indian wildlife do not look for scientific and little known and boring words like Fauna or Flora or terminology like Protected areas of India etc. All this can be brought together under "Wildlife of India" article by a popular and commonly used and searched name. As per the content of this article: everybody is free to edit and add info on it.

Thanks, sincerely

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 23:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

==[[Wildlife of India]]==

Kindly contribute to this article when you get time, and request others too.

Thanks

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 17:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== Collaboration dashboard ==

I have added a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India/Dashboard|dashboard]] to the project page. It really helps with collaboration in the India project. Hope it helps here too. Regards, [[User:Ganeshk|<span style="color:navy;">Ganeshk</span>]] <span style="color:navy;">([[User talk:Ganeshk|<span style="color:navy;">talk</span>]])</span> 18:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

==[[Natural history-India emailing list]]==

[[Natural history-India emailing list]] aids NGOs and Grassroots workers along with scientists, researchers, naturalists and nature lovers, it is India's premiere list in these aspects and on Conservation and Natural History.

Please help edit and save this article about this important Mailing List, it has come up for deletion because there are very less references on the net or I was not able to find any good ones.

Please help when you have time, improve article to save it and also vote for keeping it here:

'''PLEASE VOTE TO KEEP THIS ARTICLE, Cast your Vote on the following Link:'''

[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natural History of South Asia - General Discussion and Research Emailing List]]

Thankyou all

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 10:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


:I have to say that posting on a project page about taking a side on an afd is not really a good thing, and is akin to vote stacking. Please don't do this. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 11:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way you voted in a second after my post for help in the project page, you said '''it is a non notable list''' in a second without any research, now you are making stories.

This article on the list is included in the articles we are developing in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India]], so I asked for help there.

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 11:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Protected_areas_of_India&diff=112298815&oldid=109872064 Your call for stacking votes] 10:58 UTC
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Natural_History_of_South_Asia_-_General_Discussion_and_Research_Emailing_List&diff=prev&oldid=112299685 diff for my vote] 11:06 UTC

:thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 11:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

==Please disregard Vote by User [[User:Ragib|Ragib]], he is discriminating: ==

=== On User [[User:Ragib|Ragib]] following User [[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]]===
Stop following me around on Wikipedia Rajib since the [[Bengal Monitor]] incident, I told you [[Wildlife of Bangladesh]] needs work, please get some people from Bangladesh Project to develop the article.

Thanks

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 11:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

::Again, this is a very bad approach. Please don't go into WikiProjects asking people to stack the votes in your favor. And this project is on my watchlist, there is no question of me following you around. I don't have that much time. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 11:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


* I have noted that User Rajib you have gone and posted a Vote to delete within a second of me posting for help to improve the article, this is known as discrimination, you have done no research just Voted to delete.

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 11:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

:I happen to have taken a look at the article, which is not really encyclopedic. Disagreeing with you is not discrimination. I have expressed my reasons there. I also took a look into your contributions, which are great. The above reminder is a small piece of advice given in good faith to you so that your actions are not interpreted as backhanded vote stacking attempts. By the way,please stop misspelling my name. Thank you. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 11:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Please stop doing me favors Ragib, lets just make contributions, that list is not a "non notable list" Ok, it is infact the most notable list. The article just needs some improvement and editing, if you can help, great, if you cant let others.

Thanks

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 11:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

:Sure. No problem with that. The article is unencyclopedic. Thank you. By the way, I request you for the last time NOT to move my comment above. Please don't move my comment from where I made it, making it out of context. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 11:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

::I have expressed my reasons above. I have taken a look at the unencyclopedic article, which is my reason to vote delete. As for your vote, you tried to disrupt this afd by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Protected_areas_of_India&diff=112298815&oldid=109872064 calling others to vote KEEP] in a Wikiproject. That is called vote stacking, and is highly objectionable. Thanks. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 11:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way you voted in a second after my post for help in the project page, you said '''it is a non notable list''' in a second without any research, now you are making stories.

This article on the list is included in the articles we are developing in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India]], so I asked for help there.

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 11:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Protected_areas_of_India&diff=112298815&oldid=109872064 Your call for stacking votes] 10:58 UTC
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Natural_History_of_South_Asia_-_General_Discussion_and_Research_Emailing_List&diff=prev&oldid=112299685 diff for my vote] 11:06 UTC

::I think the diffs and the timestamps are self explanatory. You can check them if you have some doubt. Thank you. --[[User:Ragib|Ragib]] 11:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]]==

=== Suggestion ===

Hi Atul, The nathistory-india page may be revived. It would perhaps not have gone to afd if you spent some time on writing carefully. Would suggest that some time is spent on reading and studying the structure of featured articles. You will note for instance that the captions on most of these articles are short and precise. The body text should also be in the encyclopaedic style. Advocacy is not to be included (for instance a statement like "We should save this species" would almost invite an afd to your doorstep). Cite the best references, place material in context and do not add too many or irrelevant external links or see alsos. That should take you a long way. cheers. [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] 01:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Shyamal, I have a few things to say too

They started the deletion process because they said, '''IT IS A NON-NOTABLE List''', which is of course not true at all as you and I both know.

Also People of all skill levels are welcome to edit and contribute to Wikipedia and such, it was basically an article that had the correct vision, but needed editing help, you know what I mean, a technical writer's touch. 

This list itself is a new media thing and people have to still wakeup to such networking platforms like these and appreciate their contribution to society, unfortunately journalists have not yet realized the potential to do features on lists from time to time which would have been really very handy to quote. The paucity of Newspaper articles about the list was also the main issue as it could have established the notability in a second. There are several Wildlife and Conservation Journalists on the list though, just have not woken up to a new living and breathing thing.

Also 95% of the writers out there are not scientific writers, or technical writers, assistants usually take care of these little things for them. 

And as far as contributions on Wikipedia go, people are supposed to help edit and rewrite articles here to improve their quality, correct spellings of others, punctuations, rearrange facts and paragraphs to provide a better flow, provide proper sources, ............ who ever gave you the idea the that the contributor who started the page / article needs to finish it. Over the years hundreds or thousands of people should help improve an article and update it from time to time and NOT put it up for deletion on the third day, this kind of behavior discredits Wikipedia itself.

Since I did lot of research on Asiatic Lion hence I noticed another short coming of purely scientific or technical writing, you guys do not hesitate at all to quote an article even though the article may have all nonsense in it, Asiatic Cheetah Diet is still quoted from a bad source with nonsense in it, the National Geographic article from 2000 on Asiatic Lions has nonsense that Asiatic Lions are highly inbred, but technical writers dont hesitate quoting such reputable sources and present it as gods own truth.

Now lets come to our project "Protected Areas of India" or Zoos, you guys are so busy technically writing and correctly quoting that you forget that basics like, how much is the ticket, how to reach, closest railway or airport, what is the best season to visit, what are the accommodations offered, are guides and rides / cars available, who are the contacts etc., any special clothing suggested (Snakes, mosquitos), etc. etc. are also import information that should be included and will be useful to the reader, there is ofcourse no need for us to sell a holiday package to them but a little reader oriented info would be definitely useful to include in an Encyclopedia. A little bit of thinking outside the box is needed for techies.......

I have already told you guys that I really appreciate your efforts, so don't think otherwise. I have even made an effort to tell India about it, here is the link:

https://lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0702&L=nathistory-india&T=0&F=&S=&P=14871 

Thanks for your help though.

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 07:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

==Links==
* [[Wikipedia:Deletion review]]

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 04:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Koyna Wildlife Sanctuary]] ==

This article needs to be deleted. Its worthless having such an article. It is even shameful to be called as a stub. I think if the PA of India workgroup can do something about this page. Thanks [[User:Sushant gupta|Sushant gupta]] 07:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

::This article is a good stub and should never be deleted as it contains vital datas. Many articles on  Wikipedia are mere stub and stub is not a criteria for deletion. If there is any other problem with the page like copyright violation, it can be deleted. [[User:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#0082B8;">Amartyabag</span>]] [[User Talk:Amartyabag|<span style="color:#FF3333;"><small> <sup>TALK2ME</sup></small></span>]] 07:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
::: The following article has been improved by [[User:Nichalp]]. Before that it was in pethitic state. Check out the history of the page. But yes I agree that before comenting I should have tried to improved it. [[User:Sushant gupta|Sushant gupta]] 15:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Natural History of South Asia mailing list]], this Wikipedia Article passed the DELETION DEBATE== 

This Conservation and India & South Asia related Wikipedia Article had been nominated for deletion as some felt this Natural History of South Asia mailing list / "Natural History Network" is not notable enough to deserve an article on Wikipedia, to the contrary Wikipedia did not find any reason to delete this article and Restored it. For those interested and for a general record, provided here are the links to the deletion debates which this article passed:

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Natural_History_of_South_Asia_mailing_list_%282nd_nomination%29 Relisted after first Deletion Review for Second time as AFD, Second detailed AFD Debate result was that the Article indeed merits a place on Wikipedia.] "Step - 3 of Deletion Review."
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_March_9 First Deletion Review after first AFD debate decided to delete], Please click on "SHOW" against the article name to see the full deletion review debate. "Step - 2 of Deletion Review."
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Natural_History_of_South_Asia_mailing_list First time around at AFD (Articles for Deletion).] "Step - 1 of Deletion Review."

Thanks [[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 06:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

==Noticed this in the News==

[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/900784.cms Click for information on animals, 27 Oct, 2004 TIMES NEWS NETWORK]

[http://www.ncbi.org.in National chemical laboratory's Centre for Biodiversity Informatics, NCBI's IndFauna Website, A Work in Progress currently], also click on "An Appeal" under: IndFauna (Search IndFauna)

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 11:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

==Kindly Expand (Stub class)==
These are stub class I started, kindly improve when you have time, also enter in all related lists etc. 

* [[Eaglenest Wildlife Sanctuary]] 
* [[Kawal wildlife sanctuary]]

Thanks [[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 09:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== World Heritage template ==

Hi! I created a template for World Heritage Sites: {{tl|Infobox World Heritage Site}}. Since many protected areas tend to overlap with World Heritage-designated places, will it be possible to re-format the template in the same way as the Level 1, 2, 3... style? In that way, we can prevent too many infoboxes showing repetitive infos. In terms of its relationship with the IUCN protected areas, I found a link: http://whc.unesco.org/cairns/iucn-priorities.pdf (refer to page 15 of this publication/page 17 of the pdf file). Hope you can help in improving the template and making it more relevant to readers. Thanks. [[User:Joey80|Joey80]] 13:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Passing on the request from my talk page to more knowledgeable in wiki software etc. [[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 13:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

==Need help on Kodaikanal and Silent Valley annual temp/precip bar graph==
[[User:Saravask]]:<br />
Excellent work on [[Climate of India]]! <nowiki>{{Handshake Award}}</nowiki> I see it is a Selected article candidate. Should be a Featured article as well.<br />
I have been working on [[Silent_Valley_National_Park#Climate|Silent Valley National Park]] and [[Palani_Hills_National_Park#Weather|Palani Hills National Park]] but hit a wall when I get to Climate sections. Real data for those places seems unavailable.

The closest reference source I've found is:<br />
Shea, D.J., and N.A. Sontakke, 1995: [http://dss.ucar.edu/datasets/ds480.0/ The Annual Cycle of Precipitation over the Indian Subcontinent: Daily, Monthly and Seasonal Statistics.] TN-401+IA, National Center for Atmospheric Research, 168 pp.<br />
But now how to get it and then what to do with it? Even if I had the data, I'm graphics challenged.

What I ideally want for those articles is just like the [http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/city_guides/results.shtml?tt=TT002270 Bar graph for Madras]

Can you make these graphs and rewrite the climate sections of these articles or even refer this request to some Wiki weather graphics guru who can/will?

Thank You for any help.-[[User:Marcus334|Marcus]] 07:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

cc:[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Protected areas of India]]

==ECOZONES OF INDIA==

* [http://cpreec.org/04_phamplets/11_ecozones_of_india/ecozones_of_india.html ECOZONES OF INDIA] <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] ([[User talk:Atulsnischal|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Atulsnischal|contribs]]) 19:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

==INdian wildlife==
If anyone cares here is a new template: {{WildlifeofIndia}}[[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <span style="color:darkblue;">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <span style="font-size:x-small; color:Purple;">'''"Expecting you"'''</span> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<span style="font-size:x-small; color:Grey;">'''Contribs'''</span>]]</sup> 11:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

==Wildlife of.....(Country) Articles==

To be honest I am quite disappointed you haven't even made oan attmept to expand e.g [[Wildlife of Pakistan]] you created months ago there is a mass of info!!! [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <span style="color:darkblue;">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <span style="font-size:x-small; color:Purple;">'''"Expecting you"'''</span> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<span style="font-size:x-small; color:Grey;">'''Contribs'''</span>]]</sup> 15:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Its up and going!!!!
{WildlifeofAsia}}
{WildlifeofIndia}}
[[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <span style="color:darkblue;">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <span style="font-size:x-small; color:Purple;">'''"Expecting you"'''</span> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<span style="font-size:x-small; color:Grey;">'''Contribs'''</span>]]</sup> 21:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for establishing and working on these series..... hopefully it will catch on soon and lots of people will create these country articles and make them more and more informative for all.

Thanks 

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 19:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Also just wanted to remind you and suggest that most countries have a national animal, national bird, national plant, national tree, national flower etc., it will be nice if we can accommodate these in these country-wise wildlife articles, check out [[National Emblem]], [[National Animal]], [[National Bird]] etc. etc.

Just an idea as kids will be swarming to read these articles soon.....
 
[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 04:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

==Updated PA list==
An updated source of the PA list is the National Wildlife Database Cell, WILDLIFE INSTITUTE OF INDIA DEHRADUN, (position as on April 23, 2007), retrieved 7/25/2007 [http://www.wii.gov.in/nwdc/pa_list.pdf LIST OF PROTECTED AREAS]. This may lead to some modification of [[List of protected areas in India]] and associated lists and PAs which I can not do.-[[User:Marcus334|Marcus]] 10:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== '''Searching for sources''' ==

How to Search for (1) "Latest" and (2) "Archived" ""NEWS & FEATURE ARTICLES" on "Schools / anything" from top newspapers and magazines, also as well how to search for relevant Blog Postings many of which contain local "Print News Articles" not available online - EXAMPLE [[Mayo College]]

As we all know in addition to referring to the main official website if we can research as many news and feature articles from top newspapers and magazines on each subject (article on wikipedia) and highlight top points in our own words or by "quoting" by properly referencing all such research, it improves the wikipedia article many folds and makes it much more credible along with providing many excellent independent unbiased reference links to readers. 

* '''In the following "News Search pages" you could search by trying different keywords for the same subject''', and also change the subject to any other you are currently working on. Please be beware many of the search results will not be relevant. Please also note at the bottom or in the left margin of each "search result page" you will see links to additional related "search and alert services" being offered by these companies (Yahoo, Google etc.), all for free. Also note current news searches for current times may come up blank if there has been no current news or feature article written in the last few months, look in Google News ARCHIVES in that case: 

1) '''"Google News Search"''' for Mayo College: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Mayo+College%22&btnG=Search

2) '''"Google ARCHIVES News Search"''' ,including news from last year and before, has a further links in the left margin to break up archived news by year and by publication), for news on Mayo College: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Mayo+College%22

3) '''"Google "Blog Postings" search''' for Mayo College: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&client=news&q=%22Mayo+College%22&ie=UTF8

4) '''"Yahoo News Search"''' for news on Mayo College: http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search;_ylt=A0WTTks7YtxGMgcB1xWy87UF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhNjRqazhxBHNlYwNzZWFyY2g-?fr=sfp&ei=UTF-8&p=%22Mayo+College%22

* In addition to above you can also make '''"As-It-Happens News Alerts"''' for articles that interest you and you will like to work on and want to keep abreast with. The news alert service provided by Google and Yahoo sends you latest news as it happens to your email inbox:

1) Set up '''Google News Alert''' at: http://www.google.com/alerts

2) Set up '''Yahoo News Alert''' at (for this you will have to sign in with your Yahoo Email ID first): http://alerts.yahoo.com/main.php?view=create_news_step1


I learnt about the above services in the last year while looking for news on [[Asiatic Lion]] and [[Asiatic Cheetah]] two subjects that interest me.

Hope this information will be useful to all, thanks

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 04:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

* '''For example here is a 1921 news item from "Google News Archives''' (see link abve)" that [[Prince of Wales]] comes to visit Indian Princes studying at Mayo College, Ajmer, India. News item from [[Washington Post]]:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/190966712.html?dids=190966712:190966712&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=NOV+30%2C+1921&author=&pub=The+Washington+Post&desc=RAJPUTANA+GREETS+PRINCE&pqatl=google

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 07:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

: You may want to look at [http://www.webcitation.org/ www.webcitation.org] to archive permanent versions of articles that will be removed from free online public viewing after they've been available for a certain time period. --[[User:Hebisddave|Hebisddave]] 14:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

==South India PA photographs==
{{User:Marcus334/status}}-[[User:Marcus334|Marcus]] 20:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Great news, Marcus. All the best for your journey. [[User:Pradiptaray|ray]] 03:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

==Please Separate: 1) "WILD" Asian Water Buffalo from 2) "[[Domestic Asian Water Buffalo]]"==

Please create a separate article for: 

The actual common full name for it is '''"[[Wild Asian Water Buffalo]]"''', it is endangered (and it is little known outside wildlife circles), see [[IUCN Red List]], while [[Domestic Asian Water Buffalo]] selectively bred for thousands of years is very famous and numbers in millions and has various livestock breeds. There are many [[list of water buffalo breeds|breeds of domestic water buffalo]].

===Reference===
*[http://www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/3129/all The IUCN Red list of threatened species classifies "Wild Water Buffalo" as "Endangered"]
*[http://www.animalinfo.org/species/artiperi/bubaarne.htm Animal Info - Wild Asian (Water) Buffalo - Status: Endangered; By: Paul Massicot]

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 00:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

===[[Wild Asian Water Buffalo]]===

Please develop this article whenever you all can find time, Thanks [[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 00:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

==Well known Naturalists & Conservationists (Past & present)==

Added the above category in our checklist, please modify if needed:

*[[Billy Arjan Singh]] (article needs to be developed)
*[[Jim Corbett (Hunter-turned-conservationist and author)]]
*[[Kenneth Anderson (Hunter-turned-conservationist and author)]]

And work needs to be done on many more articles on Naturalists & Conservationists from India I guess.

[[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 05:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

:Good point, I can help with [[Jim Corbett]]. [[User:Havelock the Dane|<span style="color:#708090;">Havelok</span>]] 20:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

==Jim Corbett National Park==
Greetings,<br>I have completely rewritten the [[Jim Corbett National Park]] article. Since I am now beginning to realize that the article has GA potential it would be of help to me if editors took time to weigh the article and voice their opinion on what more needs to be added to it. I'm seeking opinion in this regard here since the article falls under this Wikiproject and would benefit from attention.<br>With Regards,<br>[[User:Havelock the Dane|<span style="color:#708090;">Havelok</span>]] 20:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)