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 ::[[Red Terror (Spain)|6,832 Spanish Catholics, including priests, nuns and laity were murdered]] for their religion by actors loyal to the NKVD and beholden to foreign colonial ideologies imported for neo-imperialist aims (primarily Marxism and Freemasonry). Intended to destroy Spain for being Catholic and attack the One True Church founded by Jesus Christ. Some verifiable examples of this include—featuring in the "Catholic Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War" book, it details how republicans first raped a small group of nuns, bound and tied their feet to the tails of horses, then set their hair on fire, sending the horses off on a gallop.
-::Another details how a priest was shot in the skull, stripped and hung up in a butcher's window while dead, from a metal hook with the sign "fresh meat" under his corpse. Some "meme". Go to the Holocaust page and see how far mocking genocide minimalisation will get there. I don't find rape and murder a "joke" or a "meme". That Haldraper is disgruntled about Franco couragously standing up, to put a stop to the acts of these hell beasts by thoroughly vaquishing them is one thing. That he has the gall to try and make-out that mentioning the systematic mass murder of thousands of Catholics by those reds, on an article about the Church, is "pro Catholic POV" is simply contemptable and far beyond the pale.  - [[User:Yorkshirian|Yorkshirian]] ([[User talk:Yorkshirian|talk]]) 02:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
+::Another details how a priest was shot in the skull, stripped and hung up in a butcher's window while dead, from a metal hook with the sign "fresh meat" under his corpse. Some "meme". Go to the Holocaust page and see how far mocking genocide minimalisation will get there. I don't find rape and murder a "joke" or a "meme". That Haldraper is disgruntled about Franco couragously standing up, to put a stop to the acts of these hell beasts by thoroughly vaquishing them is one thing. That he has the gall to try and make-out that mentioning the systematic mass murder of thousands of Catholics by those reds, on an article about the Church, is "pro Catholic POV" is simply contemptable and far beyond the pale.  [[User:Yorkshirian|Yorkshirian]] ([[User talk:Yorkshirian|talk]]) 02:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
+:::Xandar, sorry if your flabber was gasted but NPOV means you can't tell from which viewpoint the person writing the text is coming. Can you honestly say any of the folllowing fit that description?
+:::"Challenges faced include suppression of non-Islamic religious practices by Muslims in Sudan...oppression in communist countries like North Korea and China...reaching indigenous populations where over 715 different languages are spoken"
+:::It's not by a Muslim, a member of the Chinese Commmunist Party or an adherent of an indigeneous religion is it?
+:::"The new rulers introduced cash-based economies which created an enormous demand for literacy and a western education—a demand which for most Africans could only be satisfied by Christian missionaries"
+:::African nationalist?
+:::the hierarchy of the Church subsequently supported the rebel Nationalist forces led by Francisco Franco and explained this position in a common letter that cited the violence and persecution directed against the Church by the Republicans
+:::supporter of the Spanish Republic?
+:::"After enduring persecution and some violence against Church institutions and some Catholics, the Catholic Church and Nazi Germany signed the Reichskonkordat (July 1933) which guaranteed the Church some protections and rights in exchange for dissolution of the Catholic political party"
+:::Academic who thinks the Reichskonkordat was the result of a dirty political deal between the Zentrumspartei and Nazis?
+:::"As in ages past, the pope remains an international leader... "
+:::The Italian opponents of the Lateran treaty?
+:::"In contrast with periods of religious and scientific intolerance in the past, today's Church seeks dialogue like this with other faiths and Christian denominations."
+:::[[Richard Dawkins]]?
+:::I think as a Catholic you suffer from the same problem I know I lapse (no pun intended) into: regarding personal opinions as facts, unfortunately it was part of the training.
+:::Anyway, it's nice to see that guardian of NPOV Yorkshirian is back with "the Republic's masonic government, Marxist internationalists were the real innovators, the importers of alien creeds, rebels against Eternal Spain". Perhaps he could point out where I have said "that mentioning the systematic mass murder of thousands of Catholics by those reds, on an article about the Church, is "pro Catholic POV"" as opposed to arguing against the claim that it was the sole reason the Church lined up with Franco? [[User:Haldraper|Haldraper]] ([[User talk:Haldraper|talk]]) 08:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
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 ::::Sorry to interject. But this is just to say that its not productive to try to bring every crime by a "Catholic" nation or group and place it at the door of the Church. Just as we do not hold the Anglican Church responsible for the [[Amritsar massacre]] or the [[Irish Famine]], the Lutheran Church responsible for [[Herero and Namaqua Genocide]] or the Baptist Church responsible for segregation and the bombing of Vietnam. And Congo at the time of the atrocities quoted was not under the Belgian government, but the personal fief of King Leopold. As Nancy says, improvement of the text on Africa is possible, but lets have it balanced.  [[user:Xandar|'''''<font color="003366">Xan</font>''''']][[User talk:Xandar#top|'''''<font color="00A86B">dar</font>''''']]  00:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 ::::True, though personally I reserve the right to hold various forms of Leftist totalitarianism at least largely responsible for the various massive fatalities in those parts of the world unfortunate enough to be controlled by them. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 02:52, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
+What on earth are you talking about Xandar? The Anglican Church were major landowners during the Irish famine who watched their tenants starve. There have since been belated apologies for that, as well as for their having been slaveowners in the Caribbean. [[User:Haldraper|Haldraper]] ([[User talk:Haldraper|talk]]) 08:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
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 ''Caveats above directed in anticipation at what I'll hear from Haldraper. The rest of you can ignore everything, and if you're confused right now, don't worry about it. It's the will of "god."''<font face="Century Gothic">[[User:UberCryxic|<span style="color:#000080">'''UberCryxic'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:UberCryxic|'''<sup>(<span style="color:#007BA7">talk</span>)</sup>''']]</small></font> 06:17, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
+::UberCryxic, welcome to the bearpit! You may wish to leave now if you value your sanity! [[User:Haldraper|Haldraper]] ([[User talk:Haldraper|talk]]) 08:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)