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::::::: Using "concubinage" as a synonym of "sexual slavery" is definitely not "a clear [[WP:COMMONNAME]]" in English. And indeed half of the sources use only slave/slavery but no concubinage; while one uses concubinage but feels that is not [[WP:COMMONNAME]] enough for avoiding to specify "slavery" too. If as it seems this page was created as a [[WP:POVFORK]] exactly for presenting "sexual slavery" using the word "concubinage" I also expect the presence of some cherry picking in the choice of the sources. If even considering the cherry picking a considerable amount of sources still does not use concubinage at all but uses only slavery, and given that the same identical discussion already happened in [[Talk:Sexual slavery in Islam]] and ended in favor of "sexual slavery", the rename is automatic for me. Finally, it is not exactly normal that a Wikipedia page gets created reproposing a discarded title for discussing about the same topic just for the sake of keeping a discarded title. --[[User:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[User talk:Grufo|talk]]) 21:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC) |
::::::: Using "concubinage" as a synonym of "sexual slavery" is definitely not "a clear [[WP:COMMONNAME]]" in English. And indeed half of the sources use only slave/slavery but no concubinage; while one uses concubinage but feels that is not [[WP:COMMONNAME]] enough for avoiding to specify "slavery" too. If as it seems this page was created as a [[WP:POVFORK]] exactly for presenting "sexual slavery" using the word "concubinage" I also expect the presence of some cherry picking in the choice of the sources. If even considering the cherry picking a considerable amount of sources still does not use concubinage at all but uses only slavery, and given that the same identical discussion already happened in [[Talk:Sexual slavery in Islam]] and ended in favor of "sexual slavery", the rename is automatic for me. Finally, it is not exactly normal that a Wikipedia page gets created reproposing a discarded title for discussing about the same topic just for the sake of keeping a discarded title. --[[User:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[User talk:Grufo|talk]]) 21:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::Sorry which sources in this article don't use the term "concubinage"? Point me to a source and I can name you the page number where that term is used.'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 21:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC) |
::::::::Sorry which sources in this article don't use the term "concubinage"? Point me to a source and I can name you the page number where that term is used.'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 21:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::::::::: But did you have a look at {{section link|Islamic views on concubinage|General sources|nopage=y}}? These are all sources from the page: |
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:::::::::* {{Cite encyclopedia|author=Jonathan E. Brockopp | year= 2006 | title=Slaves and slavery|volume=5|page=60 |encyclopedia=Encyclopaedia of the Qurʾān|editor=Jane Dammen McAuliffe|publisher=Brill}} |
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:::::::::* {{cite journal |last1=Pernilla |first1=Myrne |title=Slaves for Pleasure in Arabic Sex and Slave Purchase Manuals from the Tenth to the Twelfth Centuries |journal=Journal of Global Slavery |date=2019 |volume=4|issue=2 |pages=222–223|doi=10.1163/2405836X-00402004}} |
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:::::::::* {{cite journal|author=Bernard K. Freamon|title=Slavery and Islam, written by Jonathan A. C. Brown|journal=Journal of Islamic Ethics|publisher=[[Brill publishers]]}} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book | author=Sikainga, Ahmad A. | title=Slaves into Workers: Emancipation and Labor in Colonial Sudan | publisher=University of Texas Press | year=1996 | isbn=978-0-292-77694-4 | url=https://archive.org/details/slavesintoworker0000sika }} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book |last1=Ali |first1=Kecia |title=Marriage and Slavery in Early Islam |publisher=[[Harvard University Press]] |year=2010 }} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book |last=Brown |first=Jonathan A. C. |authorlink=Jonathan A.C. Brown|title=Slavery and Islam|date=2019|publisher=[[Simon & Schuster]] }} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book |last=Clarence-Smith |first=William Gervase |title=Islam and the Abolition of Slavery|year=2006|publisher=[[Oxford University Press]]|isbn=978-0-19-522151-0 }} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book |last=El Hamel |first=Chouki |title=Black Morocco: A History of Slavery, Race, and Islam|date=2013|publisher=[[Cambridge University Press]] }} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book |last=Freamon |first=Bernard K. |title=Possessed by the Right Hand: The Problem of Slavery in Islamic Law and Muslim Cultures|publisher=[[Brill Publishers|Brill]]|year=2019}} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book |last=Gordon |first=Murray |title=Slavery in the Arab World|year=1989|publisher=[[Rowman & Littlefield]] }} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book |last=Lewis |first=Bernard |title=Race and Slavery in the Middle East: An Historical Enquiry|year=1992|publisher=[[Oxford University Press]]|isbn=978-0-19-505326-5 }} |
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:::::::::* {{cite book |last=Toledano |first=Ehud R. |editor=W. Mulligan |others=M. Bric|title=A Global History of Anti-Slavery Politics in the Nineteenth Century|date=23 May 2013|publisher=Springer|chapter=Abolition and Anti-slavery in the Ottoman Empire: A Case to Answer? }} |
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::::::::: --[[User:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[User talk:Grufo|talk]]) 22:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC) |
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