User talk:Miranda

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U2 Wikiproject Invitation

You have been invited to join WikiProject U2, a WikiProject dedicated to improving the U2-related articles on Wikipedia. You received this invitation due to your interest in U2 and/or your many edits to U2 articles. If you would like to join, please visit the project page, and add your name to the list of project members. Thank you, Joelster 00:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not interested at this time. Miranda 06:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiBreak

Out of interest, weren't you on a long WikiBreak just yesterday? I seem to remember somebody telling me that ~ Anthøny 13:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I will be less active in the coming weeks due to real life. However, thank you for thinking of me in your daily wikipedia affairs. :-P Miranda 01:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

DST/AKA Split

Miranda the DST/AKA split is viewed from two different sorority view points. All of my DST Founders were former AKAs, not just seven members were former AKAs as the AKAs like to say. Each sorority page should reflect the views of each organizaton. My concern with your editing or rewording of the DST page is that you are not correcting reflecting the history of DST. Everything about DST is not in ISOS. 162.140.67.10 16:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, several books written by memebers of DST including ISOS and Shaped to its Purpose, interviews with all 22 Founders of DST, minutes from the actual meeting in the Fall of 1912 indicate that all twenty-two members were former AKAs. Again each sorority page should reflect the veiw point of each sorority. The change you made on DST page was based on AKAs viewpoint which is not the veiw point held by DST. Therefore, each page should reflect the view point of eacg organization. So twenty-two not just seven members were former AKAs who founded DST. HistoricDST 16:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope, this will violate the neutral point of view section. I believe that both sections should be included. I have included references from DST in the AKA article, and I do believe that the same should be same for Delta Sigma Theta. According to In the Eye of the Beholder, page thirty, seven members were initiated into the sorority. Myra Hemmings was elected president. The page is not a brochure for the sorority, but rather an informative overview of the sorority's history, programs, membership, and potential controversy (which includes accusations of hazing). Each type of content that you include must be verifiable, or this will constitute original research. Right now, you have been kind of owning the article on multiple occasions: see this, this, this, this discussion as well as this discussion where you acted uncivil and have not been improving the content of the article or expanding articles for your sorority. Such behavior can be considered disruptive in order to prove a point and can warrant a block from Wikipedia. You can ask me questions regarding improving or contributing to the article, but further disruptions such as revisions or content improvements should be discussed on Talk:Delta Sigma Theta. This article isn't high priority for me. If you want to ask a question regarding to how many members were inducted into AKA for more verification, please contact Mrs. Earnestine G. McNealey at this e-mail: archives at aka1908 dot com. Cheers. Miranda 01:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Miranda you are making changes to the DST page without putting those changes in the DST talk pages before you are doing so that others may express an opinon. You are not approaching the changes you are making from a neutral point of view. It appears that if someone disagrees with you then you label them as being disrupted. I have not seen you inquire of any DST members to provide facts that would suppor the DST version of the split. In fact, you make changes without having any discussion of those changes. Have you called my sorority historian for our official version of the events that took place concerning the split? There are different view points of the DST/AKA split from both sororities and each respective version should be reflected on their sorority’s page. Also, I am typing up some factual information from DST history books. I know that you say that you have, but have you honestly read ISOS? If you did then you would realize that both sororities do not agree on how events occured. Also, there are a lot of other books on DST besides ISOS. HistoricDST 02:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

In Black Greek 101 by Walter M. Kimbrough, on page 34 it says that “One of the historical points of contention during the foundation era of collegiate Black Greek – lettered organizations was the founding of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority. The AKA chapter of 1912 planned to change the name and colors of the organization after contacting some women who had graduated for their input. This stirred at least one dissenter, who fought the changes of the organization and forced the hand of the twenty –two undergraduates. Eventually the undergraduates continued with their plan and formed Delta Sigma Theta, prior to university approval.” HistoricDST 03:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you should be contributing to the article any more due to your conflict of interest. I have indeed read ISOS. Yes, I do agree that both sororities have different viewpoint, but the policy about neutral point of view is that regardless all viewpoints must be provided, not just Delta's view or AKA's view. The group of seven could have been expanded to twenty-two. I am going by both DST and AKA history books as a part of NPOV. If you have a problem with AKA's point, contact the e-mail address provided to Mrs. McNealy. I have changed this due to the presentation of the AKA's centennial website. Second, in addition to being disruptive, you are lacking good faith, because when making changes, I don't have to make a note on the discussion page. That's a part of being bold. However, I did that as a courtesy of others as well to you, because I thought you were improving the article since you are a member of the organization, but now you are just critiquing my edits which is a part of being disruptive and can get you blocked. Can you please re-read the welcome message on your page in order to be acquainted with Wikipedia's core policies. I am about to leave a note on the AKA page as well as the DST page. And, please read my first response to you. Thank you. Miranda 03:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)