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Counties

I noticed you removed reference to several counties from the article Seán Brady and replaced them with the term "contiguous counties." This type of removal isn't in the best interests of Wikipedia as you are removing information. Not everyone would know what the contiguous counties are and it is most informative to say what the counties are. Ben W Bell talk 17:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Ben - the reason I did that is because people like you insist on trying to have your own opinion imposed on the rest of us. You want Catholics called Roman Catholics. You can't cope with City of Belfast Airport being translated into Irish. You think everyone born in Northern Ireland is British when under the Good Friday Agreement they can be Irish. So I refuse to have Co Londerderry in a description of the Archdiocese of Armagh. If you want to be anal - there is no such thing as a county in northern Ireland anymore - they don't exist accept in GAA. Magherafelt and Drogheda do exist.

I don't believe I have ever insisted on Catholics being called Roman Catholics, I've never insisted upon others calling Catholics Roman Catholics. I don't know where you have got that from. With the City of Belfast the Irish is in the articles for when there is another name that the place is known as in Irish, and for Belfast City Airport, Belfast International Airport and others there isn't, the Irish name just isn't verifiable as anything other than a back translation that isn't actually used. That isn't the point of the Irish naming in NI related articles. Everyone born in NI who is eligible is British under nationality laws, but can also choose to be Irish (they can of course choose to renounce their British Citizenship like any other British citizen by contacting the Secretary of State). And County Londonderry is the only name for the county, as previously it was mainly known as County Coleraine but never has there been a County Derry. Some may call it County Derry, the GAA may have a County Derry league and others, but the geographical county is still County Londonderry and on Wikipedia that is what we must use as this is a factual encyclopaedia not something built on the political opinions of people. Counties are still used in Northern Ireland, they just aren't official administrative regions anymore. Ben W Bell talk 11:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I said "people like you" and then lumped you in with people who call Catholics "Roman" Catholics. This was probably unfair.

As regards citizenship you are mistaken - people born in Northern Ireland can choose one or the other or both - it's in black and white in the Good Friday Agreement.

If as you say counties no longer exist as official administrative identifiers then its a matter of usage as to what to what to call them. There is no longer a "County Londonderry" - it was established by British legislation and removed by British legislation. It doesn't exist. So why continue to use it. You might as well talk about County Coleraine. Magheralfelt and Drogheda do continue to exist.

As regards Irish translations of things - why the hang up - what is gained by removing a piece of information that something is called X in Irish. It makes you sound like a bigot and I don't think you are, just a little anal.

A person can't choose their nationality at birth, it's not possible for a newborn to choose their nationality. However if it does state it in the GFA (and I admit I haven't read it in any detail since 1998) then fair enough. But the county does still exist as a geographic entity, it is used for postal division and for political electoral and ministerial uses. The only non-existance of the county is at the level of county administrative divisions for local government. As for the Irish translations, I'm a person who likes facts, not made up things. The Irish translations are in many cases just that, back translations, and aren't being used for their intended purpose under the WP:IMOS. The names need to be used and, most importantly on Wikipedia, be verifiable. Oh and don't call me a bigot (and I know you didn't), but anal may be right (I'm one of these people that straightens paintings when they're crooked). Petty bigotry is the reason I left Northern Ireland, Ireland, the United Kingdom and all behind, I couldn't stand the amounts of it in large swathes of the populace any more and don't want to be part of that. Ben W Bell talk 13:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see you're back again - Alison ^❤ 21:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)