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This is not a good start. I think this topic is well worth covering but it's got to be done from the top down, and not just a dumping ground for individual uses of classical music in other music or media. There are lots of things to say about classical music in popular culture: surely we can find some reliable writing about the use of classical music in cartoons for instance. [[User:Mangojuice|Mango]][[Special:Contributions/Mangojuice|<span style="color:orange">'''juice'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Mangojuice|talk]]</sup> 13:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
This is not a good start. I think this topic is well worth covering but it's got to be done from the top down, and not just a dumping ground for individual uses of classical music in other music or media. There are lots of things to say about classical music in popular culture: surely we can find some reliable writing about the use of classical music in cartoons for instance. [[User:Mangojuice|Mango]][[Special:Contributions/Mangojuice|<span style="color:orange">'''juice'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Mangojuice|talk]]</sup> 13:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Agreed. The pervasiveness of classical music as background, soundtrack, and familiar signifier would make a list of "spottings" (''i.e.'' a [[WP:PSTS|primary-sourced]] list of usages and references, as this article is <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Classical_music_in_popular_culture&oldid=199801938 currently]</span> formed) especially unwieldy and unencyclopedic. This article should be rewritten to illustrate the meanings and places of classical music in the larger culture, with examples kept where the are most illustrative. As Mj says above, [[WP:RS|sources]] covering the subject of ''Classical music in popular culture'' certainly exist. |
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:The currently IPC list can only bog down in contentious, cruft-warring debates of which usages and references are the most notable from thousands of potential examples. It is not the foundation of a good article. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Planets in popular culture]] for precedent on this. |
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:My opinion: there are less than 10 good "In popular culture" articles on Wikipedia, and classical music deserves a good one. [[Wikipedia:"In popular culture" articles]] is a decent guideline, and [[User:edgarde/IPC]] (note namespace) an opinionated, unaccepted one that I like. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 16:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC) ''(mostly copied from <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Trivia_sections&diff=199846256&oldid=199803031#Classical_music_in_popular_culture Wikipedia talk:Trivia sections]</span>)'' |
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Revision as of 16:26, 21 March 2008
Article formulation
This is not a good start. I think this topic is well worth covering but it's got to be done from the top down, and not just a dumping ground for individual uses of classical music in other music or media. There are lots of things to say about classical music in popular culture: surely we can find some reliable writing about the use of classical music in cartoons for instance. Mangojuicetalk 13:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. The pervasiveness of classical music as background, soundtrack, and familiar signifier would make a list of "spottings" (i.e. a primary-sourced list of usages and references, as this article is currently formed) especially unwieldy and unencyclopedic. This article should be rewritten to illustrate the meanings and places of classical music in the larger culture, with examples kept where the are most illustrative. As Mj says above, sources covering the subject of Classical music in popular culture certainly exist.
- The currently IPC list can only bog down in contentious, cruft-warring debates of which usages and references are the most notable from thousands of potential examples. It is not the foundation of a good article. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Planets in popular culture for precedent on this.
- My opinion: there are less than 10 good "In popular culture" articles on Wikipedia, and classical music deserves a good one. Wikipedia:"In popular culture" articles is a decent guideline, and User:edgarde/IPC (note namespace) an opinionated, unaccepted one that I like. / edg ☺ ☭ 16:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC) (mostly copied from Wikipedia talk:Trivia sections)