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==Second chance: unblocked== |
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Further to extensive and exhaustive discussion on IRC, I'm going to throw the [[WP:AGF|AGF]] lifeline as far out as it goes here, and lift the block. This is an absolute-last chance: best behaviour, if you please. Your contributions are ultimately welcome, but only if your presense does not disrupt the project or its contributors. |
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As something of a 'binding contact', here is Bsr's relevant agreement in [[irc:wikipedia-en-unblock]]: |
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== Blocked == |
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[[Image:Red_warning.png|left|20px]] '''Blocked:''' Your account blocked indefinitely on checkuser findings that you have persistently and repeatedly vandalized Wikipedia while logged out of your account, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.29.141.188 this] being just one example. This sort of behavior is simply not welcome. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 02:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=Just look at my user contributions; over 800 constructive edits. I have a proposal for you: You unblock me today and I continue my constructive edits and if any edits are deemed unconstructive you may block me for EVER! I was out of character, please blame it on extreme [[Wikipedia:Editing Under the Influence|EUI]]. I have learned me lesson and it will obviously never happen again, so what's the point in blocking me for ever? You're just gona get unfinished articles. Look at the [[Ivybridge]] work I've done! "Users may be blocked from editing by an administrator to protect Wikipedia and its editors from harm." I have harmed Wikipedia and its editors, but I am not going to do it again, so there's no need for this block to remain. [[User:Bsrboy|Bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 14:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)|decline=You need to convince us. You say that you were editing under the influence. What steps have you taken to ensure this will never happen again? Why should we believe you when just a very short time ago, you were violating Wikipedia's trust and attacking articles? At the moment, I am not inclined to take you at your word given that you have proven that your word cannot be trusted. — [[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 15:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)}} |
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|<tt><poem><[AGK]> 1/ edit within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, in a constructive and helpful manner. Remember we're here to build an encyclopedia, and nothing else; edit that way at all times, and never in a way that hinders that goal. |
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<bsrboy> Yep and I won't be immature/silly on my userpage |
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<[AGK]> 2/ remember that abusive sock puppetry is *never* the way to go, and will get you blocked. Stick to the one account. |
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<[AGK]> 3/ act professionally, in the way you make edits and interact with other editors. |
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<[AGK]> Agreed to 1/, 2/, and 3/? |
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<bsrboy> I agree</poem></tt> |
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"''I agree''"; please remember what you've agreed to when editing. Good luck. |
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[[User:AGK|<font color="#2A8B31">'''Anthøny'''</font>]] 00:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC) |
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*At least 5 and probably more IPs that you have used have been blocked for vandalism done by you while logged out. I think that by doing so you have forfeited the right to your good name and productive contribution history. However, another admin may have a different view. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 15:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed|I sympathise with your decission to not trust me as trusting a complete stranger can be very difficult. The first step I have taken to ensure that the "Goatse.cx" image never appears again was to delete the files of the code that I had saved from my computer. You might also be able to see that when I noticed Realist was offended by my edits I appologise to him on his user page and since then I kept my word to him in that I would never make a racist edits towards him again (He has archived that topic now I think). The second reason why I won't do it again is because I need to keep myself unblocked, so I can continue with my ongoing work to [[Ivybridge]] (just look in the history to see all the work I've done). It's not finished yet and It's rather frustrating that I can't get it up to scratch at the moment. Finally I would like to say just one thing: I am not a racist. [[User:Bsrboy|Bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 15:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)|decline=I'm not declining your request for unblocking on the merits of your appeal, but on the grounds that it's simply too soon to unblock you. Come back in a month's time and maybe then an administrator will lend you a more sympathetic ear. -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid">[[User:Netsnipe|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:#003333"> Netsnipe </span>''']][[User talk:Netsnipe|<span style="background-color:#003333; color:White"> ► </span>]]</span></small> 15:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)}} |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=Thank you, but I can't wait a month. I make daily edits to [[Ivybridge]] and I fear that editors will just delete whole sections of the article that haven't been finished yet and I won't be able to do anything about it. Maybe you could find some tag that you put at the top to remind editors about it? Or maybe I could email my edits to you and you can copy and paste it in to the article for me? I propose a [[Template:2nd_chance|second chance]] be given to me. [[User:Bsrboy|Bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 15:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)|decline=The world will not end if you can't edit Wikipedia for a while. The use of five separate IPs is not something we can easily forgive. Certainly not to the extent of unblocking you after a day of an indefinite block. — [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 16:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)}} |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=I am requesting a second chance using the [[Template:2nd_chance|second chance template]]. Alternatively you could give me a block for 3 days? Question: When I get unblocked can I revert this talk page to the status before I was blocked? And another thing: Please don't protect this page. I have the right to a fair trial! You make seem as though I didn't have a choice over using "5 IPs". My internet gives me a new IP and there's nothing I can do about it. [[User:Bsrboy|Bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 17:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)|decline=I have no inclination to trust a serial vandal. Page protected for abuse of the unblock tag. As Wikipedia is not a governmental organisation, you do not have the right to a trial, fair or otherwise. — [[User:Sandstein|Sandstein]] ([[User talk:Sandstein|talk]]) 17:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)}} |
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You're missing the point. You abused the community trust of Wikipedia as a whole when you used [[User:Bsrboy]] as a "good hand" account and on then vandalized while logged out of your account (the "bad hand") thinking that you would never get caught. How can we ever trust you again or why should we? If you stay away from Wikipedia for at least a month (it's deliberately meant to be uncomfortably long), only then we can take your [[contrition]] as a sign of good faith and give you a second chance. "Good things come to those who wait" and your impatience to be unblocked is also a bad sign that you're prone to get yourself caught up in [[Wikipedia:Edit war|edit warring]]. -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid">[[User:Netsnipe|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:#003333"> Netsnipe </span>''']][[User talk:Netsnipe|<span style="background-color:#003333; color:White"> ► </span>]]</span></small> 17:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Fine. I'll wait a month, but in conclusion to that can you set the block to expire in a month. I'm going to have to continue my editing on the french wikipedia from now on. Au revoir! [[User:Bsrboy|Bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 17:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Note to any future reviewing admins, Bsrboy broke his promise not to edit within [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=newusers&user=Bsrboy2 minutes]. -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid">[[User:Netsnipe|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:#003333"> Netsnipe </span>''']][[User talk:Netsnipe|<span style="background-color:#003333; color:White"> ► </span>]]</span></small> 23:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Email reply == |
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Bsrboy, in reply to your second email: no, that would be enabling you to circumvent your block. (And still no on removing the protection.) [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 00:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Ditto. Not a chance. Find something else to do. [[User:Accounting4Taste|Accounting4Taste]]:<small>[[User talk:Accounting4Taste|talk]]</small> 04:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC) |
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<pre> |
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:16:10 +0000 |
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To: Netsnipe |
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Subject: Wikipedia e-mail |
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From: Bsrboy |
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Message-Id: <E1JkSTa-0005TR-QB@mchenry.wikimedia.org> |
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You are rather annoying... |
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"Note to any future reviewing admins, Bsrboy broke his promise not to edit |
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within minutes." I didn't promise not to edit. |
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As for the protection you have added to Ivybridge... |
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It is completely innapropriate and I am going to seek it to be reappealed. If |
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you read the guidelines for how protection of pages should be issued you have |
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completely violated them. What have you got against me or Ivybridge? If you |
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continue to do this to nearly everything I do I shall report you for stalking! |
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:So what when you said that you'll "wait a month" what did you think it meant? That you could use another account instead of this one to keep on editing? The answer is '''absolutely not''' because that is block evasion it's prohibited by Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Evasion_of_blocks|blocking policy]]. You're abusing Wikipedia like a game -- the first part that got you blocked in the first place was when you tried to pull a [[Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde|Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]] vandalism-act over our eyes, and now you're trying to play hide and seek against our this block and the administrators on this site. Sorry, but Wikipedia isn't a game, and you're meant to abide by our rules and come back in a month's time to show us that you're a serious editor and not trying to game us. The harder you try to avoid the consequences of your original vandalism, the less likely you'll ever be welcomed back into the community. -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid">[[User:Netsnipe|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:#003333"> Netsnipe </span>''']][[User talk:Netsnipe|<span style="background-color:#003333; color:White"> ► </span>]]</span></small> 10:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::Emailing admins in alphabetical will not get you anywhere. It might even get your email capability blocked. [[User:Agathoclea|Agathoclea]] ([[User talk:Agathoclea|talk]]) 18:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed|I've waited a month as asked and I wish to be unblocked. I admit that I have abused the trust of wikipedia and its editors and I am very sorry for my actions. After a month of being blocked I have realised how stupid these actions were and that I must try my upmost to gain back the trust of wikipedia and its editors by helping wikipedia. I will never misuse the trust of wikipedia again, nor will I vandalise any articles. Thank you for your time and patience. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 22:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)|decline=You're still running socks. [[User:The Vandal Warrior]], for example. Did you think we wouldn't check? --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 22:58, 11 May 2008 (UTC) }} |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=Why can't I just carry on like this? I've made 500 contributions and I've reverted tonnes of vandalism. I was blocked for two weeks (my IP range) and when the two week block expired I started contributing to Ivybridge and then created this account and started revertng vandalsim - one of the reasons I was blocked in the first place. I honestly thought that this would be okay. I don't see how this is sockpupetting, since I'm only using one account; the other is blocked. I've done bad and I appologise and now I just want to carry with my work to Wikipedia. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 23:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)|decline=Well, start with picking a single account to use; stop posting unblocks on both pages. ''Then'' we'll figure out if we're willing to unblock you, although I still don't think you understand our policies about this enough to be unblocked. — [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 23:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)}} |
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I have a plan for when I'm unblocked by the way: I will use bsrboy as my primary user, although I will copy and paste my navigation box and talk page comments from the The Vandal Warrior onto this account, if that's okay. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 23:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:In reply to your email, those images were removed because our [[WP:NFCC|fair use policy]] explicitly forbids copyrighted images in userspace. Now if you've selected this account, go ahead and convince us you should be unblocked. I'll not unblock you over email, as this needs to be reviewed by several admins, as several are involved. [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 23:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== Reasons for unblocking me == |
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{{tl|unblock|User has provided reasons to be unblocked below. Adding this template to get more attention for review, remove when a consensus seems to have formed. Bsrboy, please stop emailing me in the meantime: as I said, I refuse to unblock over email. [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 00:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)}} |
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*I reverted Vandalism: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carpus&diff=prev&oldid=211705707][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mate&diff=prev&oldid=211691999][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diego_Maradona&diff=prev&oldid=211656784][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monterey_Bay_Aquarium&diff=prev&oldid=211046770][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:St._John_Ambulance_in_Singapore&diff=prev&oldid=211050794][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dorothy_Stringer_High_School&diff=prev&oldid=211049148][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spacehog&diff=prev&oldid=211702952][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1960s&diff=prev&oldid=211700582][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1960s&diff=prev&oldid=211700657][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1960s&diff=prev&oldid=211700761]. |
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*I issued appropriate warning templates to user talk pages: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:76.103.250.82&diff=prev&oldid=211046857][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:81.236.209.66&diff=prev&oldid=211049000] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:202.56.7.176&diff=prev&oldid=211050220][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:79.117.194.121&diff=prev&oldid=211055301], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:62.136.184.179&diff=prev&oldid=211144864][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:84.202.228.154&diff=prev&oldid=211300076][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.80.91.118&diff=prev&oldid=211300182][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.155.199.168&diff=prev&oldid=211654223][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:67.187.0.79&diff=prev&oldid=211656717][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:79.173.226.228&diff=prev&oldid=211657301][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:77.99.58.8&diff=prev&oldid=211673782], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:77.28.138.98&diff=prev&oldid=211692158][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:74.67.99.128&diff=prev&oldid=211700964][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:64.111.156.28&diff=prev&oldid=211701682] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:128.226.237.116&diff=prev&oldid=211702471][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.246.103.176&diff=prev&oldid=211703554]. |
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*I welcomed new users: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TelRamad&diff=prev&oldid=211704806][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Franckjj&diff=prev&oldid=211704947][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Enthusiastic_dad&diff=prev&oldid=211705006][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Shikaku13&diff=prev&oldid=211705057][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Torontohepcat&diff=prev&oldid=211705096][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cheeseitbling&diff=prev&oldid=211705126][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eagle20005&diff=prev&oldid=211705195][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CaptinPurpleRock&diff=prev&oldid=211705221][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF&diff=prev&oldid=211705254][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Henna-emilia&diff=prev&oldid=211705310][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pdhunter&diff=prev&oldid=211705336][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheGreatGatsby123&diff=prev&oldid=211705363][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Untouchable2424&diff=prev&oldid=211705447][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Champs_frnds&diff=prev&oldid=211705460][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Goby12345&diff=prev&oldid=211705473][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Amac_02&diff=prev&oldid=211705593][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Andrewsells&diff=prev&oldid=211705596][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Noplis&diff=prev&oldid=211705600][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sammcgeever&diff=prev&oldid=211705604][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jodiel91&diff=prev&oldid=211706246][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Factthai&diff=prev&oldid=211706792][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ezekedi&diff=prev&oldid=211706809][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Spasticemo&diff=prev&oldid=211710766]. |
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*I created the article on [[Cornwood]] with help from [[User:Jza84|Jza84]] (great user by the way): [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cornwood&action=history]. |
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*I made [[User:The Vandal Warrior/Userboxes/GTA IV fan|this userbox]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_who_are_fans_of_GTA_IV this category] for [[Grand Theft Auto IV]]:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:The_Vandal_Warrior/Userboxes/GTA_IV_fan&action=history][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_who_are_fans_of_GTA_IV]. |
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*I majorly improved the article on [[Ivybridge]] comprising of 194 edits on this account alone:[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=bsrboy&site=en.wikipedia.org] |
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**Here is the before and after of [[Ivybridge]] before I started editing it, NB I added 26KB of information and images:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ivybridge&diff=209333196&oldid=200890850] |
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*I helped out [[Special:Contributions/62.136.184.179|62.136.184.179]] when he asked out for help:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Vandal_Warrior&diff=prev&oldid=211147487][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:62.136.184.179]. |
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*I added and referenced some information for [[Grand Theft Auto IV]]:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grand_Theft_Auto_IV&diff=prev&oldid=211323380]. |
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*You can view a more detailed report of my user contributions [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=bsrboy&site=en.wikipedia.org here]. |
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And you were doing all this using a block-evading sockpuppet, which is sufficiently contrary to Wikipedia policy to warrant you an indefinite block. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 23:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Yes. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? e.g would you rather I used the account to vandalise Wikipedia? [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 23:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC) |
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I know you can't unblock me over email. I was asking for help on how to get others involved in the last email... I appologise if my emails have annoyed you. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 00:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Generally unblock templates get us to come running. In response to your last unblock-related comment above, the problem is you ''have'' used other accounts (or rather IP addresses) to vandalize - this was confirmed by checkuser. So you fight vandalism while logged in, great, but you're harming the encyclopedia while logged out. Good-hand-bad-hand stuff isn't helpful at all. [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 00:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::You are right, although I reckon the good outweighs the bad, plus that was a month ago. Back then it was 50/50. Now it's more like 100% good. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 00:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::I just got this really funny thought. Has anyone ever vandalised whilst logged out then logged in to revert the vandalism that they just made, thus making it look like they're reverting vandalism and maybe pick up a few barnstars along the way? [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 00:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, probably. By the way, '''stop putting copyrighted images in your userspace'''. We use these images under a claim of [[fair use]], which does ''not'' cover userpages. If you continue to do so, this page will be protected from editing. [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 01:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks for the clarification. I don't understand what happened [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bsrboy&curid=15027277&diff=211774274&oldid=211773450 here] though. Can you explain? [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 01:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Your request to be unblocked was denied based on your other accounts. I suggest that you go to another project, like [[q:|Wikiquote]] or [[s:|Wikisource]] and help there for a few months. If you are 100% good on another project, an admin here will probably unblock you. Cheers, <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 10:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Firstly you should understand the situation. "Your request to be unblocked was~". It wasn't my request. Hersfold did it and then an administator removed it. I trust hersfold as a good administrator and I'm confused, because normally administators don't undo another administator's actions. And still no one has properly answered the question. In reply to your messege I wouldn't want to participate in those articles anyway, because they just don't interest me; Wikipedia interests me. And by the way I've already been involced in other projects: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bsrboy My Wikimedia Commons account] and [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bsrboy_francais my French Wikipedia account]. All with good contributions and they were all before and '''during''' my current block. If it's not a matter of trusting me to not go out and vandalise then why am I still blocked and in my opinion no one here has any intention of unblocking me. I feel that the administrators just want to turn a blind eye and get rid of me by trying to get me onto other projects. I had this before... "come back in a month and try again" ...yeah, because that worked. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 15:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::It might have if you had not created a sockpuppet account and used it to evade your block during that month. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 15:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::It "might have", so '''no''' basically? [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 15:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::If I had meant "no", that's what I would have said. If you had complied with what you were told a month ago, you probably would have been given a second chance now. As it is, you continue to abuse any trust the community has. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 16:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Am I allowed to log out and edit using my IP address? I haven't done that by the way, but feel free to do a checkuser for the hell of it. You never know, I might have told the truth? [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 15:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::No. Bsrboy, if you seriously want to be unblocked and allowed to edit, stop '''all''' editing at en.wikipedia for a few months. Do not edit under any username or with any IP. By all means, continue to make good faith edits on other wikimedia projects. Show that you can comply with what has been asked of you. Then and only then come back and request an unblock. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 16:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:One month will do. Email me after a month, I will check you haven't edited then undo the block. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 16:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::But other Administators say a few months. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 16:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Don't worry about that. Only one admin is needed to unblock someone. I ''will'' do it I assure you. Email me if I forget. But not if you sock or edit using an IP account. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 16:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Um, Theresa, this is a checkuser block. Be careful. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 18:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::There you are at last. What do you mean by "checkuser block"? You keep saying it and it's annoying me... [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 18:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::He's referring to the fact that you were blocked by [[User:Thatcher|someone]] with [[WP:checkuser|checkuser]] status based upon checkuser findings about your account(s) and ip. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 20:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Okay, I'm sure Theresa is already aware of it, but why does she need to be ''careful''? [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 20:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)a |
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:::::::::Because unblocking a checkuser block without proper consultation pretty much guarantees the loss of admin status. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 21:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::I'll risk it. I've never known anyone lose adminship based on good faith attempts to turn around a user and give him a second chance, and quite frankly if it came to that I'd rather lose an admin bit than live in fear of losing it. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 21:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::What's proper consultation and if Theresa loses admin status for unblocking me then Wikipedia's administation can go suck my balls. Please don't punish me for incivility, I just want to make a statement. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 21:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::Don't make statements like that. It's needlessly agressive [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 21:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Hmmmmmmm it's tempting. I think I'll choose the deal. I've already got past one painful month. I could probably manage another one. If I upload images on Wikimedia Commons is there anyway I can request them to be included in a particular English Wikipedia article i.e a noticeboard or via email to a user involved in the article? [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 16:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:No! You have to win us over by not editing here. The fact that you are already contemplating trying to get round some way is worrying. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 21:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::But I can't get around the checkuser anyway. In a month's time when I reapply you can do a checkuser and find that I've behaved myself. I'll try and lower my edits done to this page in the meantime. When I said "Hmmmmmmm it's tempting" I was refering to your propsal, not about sockpupeting, although come to mention it sockpupetting is quite tempting too, but I've decided not to and I'll stick by it. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 22:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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==Adoption== |
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For what it's worth, should the consensus be to unblock you at some point down the line, I'd be willing to [[WP:ADOPT|adopt]] you to get you back into a favourable position within the editting community. <small>--<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">[[User:Jza84|<b>Jza84</b>]] | [[User_talk: Jza84|<font style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;"> Talk </font>]] </span></small> 12:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Wow, thank you very much. I'd love to be adopted by you and I'm sorry about the multiple accounts; I couldn't tell anyone who I really was, because I know I would've got blocked. P.S on the [[Cornwood]] article you left out an apostrophe on "Cornwoods" in your latest edit and [[Cornwood_railway_station#Cornwood|this article]] might add more information on the Railway Station. Thank you once again, and sorry! [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 15:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Go away for a month. Starting now! Do not create any new sockpuppets and do not try to edit not logged in. If you do this then I am willing to give you another chance. Fail to do so though and I'm outta here. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 15:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::Don't tell me to go away for a month. I'm not that stupid; I fell for that trick last time. And you lost, because I helped contribute to Wikipedia, which is what you are trying to stop. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 16:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::How is creating a sockpuppet account complying with staying away for a month. The reason you were not unblocked is because you did nothing to earn people's trust. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 16:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::How dare you say such a thing! I have not done '''nothing''' to earn people's trust. Have you looked at all the links above of all my contributions. You call over '''500 edits''' nothing!? [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 16:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::May I point out [[Wikipedia:IAR|this rule]] to you? P.S [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Devon&curid=8166&diff=211892446&oldid=211870627 SPAM link added here] to the article on [[Devon]]. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 16:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== Can someone please help me out with this!? == |
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Firstly you should understand the situation. "Your request to be unblocked was~". It wasn't my request. Hersfold did it and then an administator removed it. I trust hersfold as a good administrator and I'm confused, because normally administators don't undo another administator's actions. And still no one has properly answered the question. In reply to your messege I wouldn't want to participate in those articles anyway, because they just don't interest me; Wikipedia interests me. And by the way I've already been involced in other projects: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bsrboy My Wikimedia Commons account] and [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bsrboy_francais my French Wikipedia account]. All with good contributions and they were all before and '''during''' my current block. If it's not a matter of trusting me to not go out and vandalise then why am I still blocked and in my opinion no one here has any intention of unblocking me. I feel that the administrators just want to turn a blind eye and get rid of me by trying to get me onto other projects. I had this before... "come back in a month and try again" ...yeah, because that worked. [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 15:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:But you didn't go away for a month. You created a sockpuppet to evade your block. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 16:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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(Re added. He has a point which you dod not address. Please do not remove his post) [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 16:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Fine I wont remove it, but can someone please help me out/tell me what the hell happened in the first section of this text? (If people add useless comments to this section then I'll created another section just like this until someone helps me). [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 16:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:It looks like since you added a list of reasons you think you should be unblocked that Hersfold added the template so another administrator would evaluate the request. Your list of reasons was in effect a request, but he made it formal. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 16:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thank you very much! :) [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 16:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::You're welcome! [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 16:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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I've received your email. When and if that account will be unblocked, it may revert everything itself. [[User:MaxSem|Max<font size="+1">''S''</font>em]]<sup>([[User talk:MaxSem|Han shot first!]])</sup> 19:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:Okay, although I was refering to this account (I was going to move everything on The Vandal Warrior's talk page here). Thanks [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy#top|talk]]) 19:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== Ban/Block == |
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You are blocked indefinitely for abusing multiple accounts. This block is made on you the individual, not just on this account. Therefore you may not edit Wikipedia with any other account or IP. An indef block, until challenged by another administrator has the same effect as a ban. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 16:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Oh dear! You agree to stay away fro a month and the next day you come back and put a swastika on your talk page! That's it I'm done: no unblock from me. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|The otter sank]] 16:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 00:06, 4 June 2008
Second chance: unblocked
Further to extensive and exhaustive discussion on IRC, I'm going to throw the AGF lifeline as far out as it goes here, and lift the block. This is an absolute-last chance: best behaviour, if you please. Your contributions are ultimately welcome, but only if your presense does not disrupt the project or its contributors.
As something of a 'binding contact', here is Bsr's relevant agreement in irc:wikipedia-en-unblock:
<[AGK]> 1/ edit within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, in a constructive and helpful manner. Remember we're here to build an encyclopedia, and nothing else; edit that way at all times, and never in a way that hinders that goal. |
"I agree"; please remember what you've agreed to when editing. Good luck.