Talk:Status of Gibraltar

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Disagreements

It's being difficult to reach an agreement with regard to the dispute in Disputed status of Gibraltar and History of Gibraltar. I've been today in the Spanish National Library (a dark place full of francoist librarians that secretly conspire against the freedom of the Gibraltar people ;-)) and I've got some sources that, if necessary, could be scanned and uploaded to illustrate the discussion.

As there is a lot of disagreements, I propose the next method: beginning with History of Gibraltar. It shows facts so that it should be possible to get reliable sources to describe the facts and the different interpretations of a given topic. Once settled down, we can pass to Disputed status of Gibraltar.

With regard to History of Gibraltar, my proposal is as follows: given that "my" version (it can be seen in History of Gibraltar/temp) is much more longer than the current one, I'll show the points that I've removed from the current version and explain why (providing sources if necessary and available). Once agreed, we can pass to examine all my additions and a similar process (asking for sources if not clear or not agreed) will be implemented. Hopefully, it would take much more time. Unfortunatelly, I don't think that Disputed status of Gibraltar will be that easy, but fixing History of Gibraltar would be a success, wouldn't it? --Ecemaml 20:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Disagreement points in History of Gibraltar

By the way, the current version I'll refer to is this. Differences with alternate version can be seen here. Here there are the disagreement points with regard to the "current version":

Current version:

• 1700 - King Charles II of Spain died without leaving an heir to the throne. He nominated Prince Philip V of Bourbon, a grandson of Louis XIV backed by France. The other pretender, an Austrian Hapsburg, Archduke Charles, supported by Austria, England, Holland and the Holy Roman Empire, did not accept the nomination. The result was the War of the Spanish Succession.

Alternate version:
Why I disagree:

Current version:
(While merging in from Siege of Gibraltar, History of Gibraltar said that the 3-day initial siege was 3 days ending on 24 July, and Siege of Gibraltar said 1-4 August. Is this date discrepancy due to the change of calendars?)

Alternate version:
Why I disagree:

Current version:

• 1729: At the end of the Anglo-Spanish War of 1727-1729, the Treaty of Seville allowed Britain to keep Port Mahon and Gibraltar, and stipulated a strip of land of width "600 toises, being more than 2 cannon shots distance between the British guns and the Spanish guns" be considered "the neutral ground".

Alternate version:
Why I disagree:

Current version:

• 1810 February - The Anglo-Spanish alliance gave the Governor of Gibraltar the opportunity of removing the Spanish forts of San Felipe and Santa Barbara, located on the northern boundary of the neutral ground. Claiming that the forts might fall into French hands, Lieutenant General Sir Colin Campbell instructed Royal Engineers, at the behest of the Spanish authorities to blow the forts up. Such a task was carried out on February 14 together with the demolition of other fortifications of the Spanish Lines.

Alternate version:
Why I disagree:

Current version:

• 1815 April 20 - The British authorities at Gibraltar constructed an isolation camp to prevent the spread of the epidemic outside the fortress walls. The Spanish government was informed of this for reasons of public health and courtesy, but this has been interpreted by revisionist historians as requesting permission for this. As far as the British government was concerned, the area is British territory so no permission was required. This fact can be tracked as the beginning of the present-day dispute with Spain over the isthmus sovereignty.

Alternate version:
Why I disagree:

Current version:

• 2000 May - 2001 May: the nuclear submarine HMS Tireless (S88) was repaired in Gibraltar. This caused diplomatic tension with Spain, which expressed its concern about the effective safety for the inhabitants of Gibraltar and those living in its hinterland -some 250,000 people (Press conference of the Spanish Foreign Secretary, Mr. Pique in London, of 2001 January 24). The inhabitants of the area saw this repair as a precedent of future nuclear repair operations in Gibraltar. The Gibraltar government has accused Spain of using this incident as an excuse to go on creating a dispute over Gibraltar and pointed out that as Nuclear propelled submarines regularly visit Spanish ports, there should be no reason for Spain to object to visits to foreign ones.

Alternate version:
Why I disagree:

--Ecemaml 07:21, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Why not admit it? The only reason you disagree with anything is because you are an obsessed troll, whose sole agenda is causing discord.--Gibraltarian 12:24, 25 November 2005 (UTC)