Talk:Diablada

Just From One Country?

Recently i have been seeing many changes of this page. Some changes that say that the dance Belongs to Bolivia. If you edit this page then please leave out Patriotism and put in only facts.

Not Everything Is Born To Be Known 20:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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Ive heard that the dance is Bolivian, UNESCO has recogniced as Bolivian, dont know why Perubian still say that its theirs, here in NY i know many of them and they dont even know what the dance is like, anyway just a thought.

23 sept 2009

Your toughts are incorrect. Peru claims that the dance belongs to all nations whose culture is associated with it. In other words, Peru claims that they, Chile, and Bolivia have equal rights upon the dance. However, it's only the idiotic government of Bolivia, and several ignorants from said nation, that claim the dance as their own. UNESCO has recognized the "Carnaval de Oruro" as an important patrimony of humanity, but has not said anything about who holds the ownership of the dances or music.--$%MarshalN20%$ (talk) 16:04, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Bolivia may be perhaps the country where the Daiblada has most signifation for the country as whole, but the claim of exclusivity is just a recent political claim. Any polemical statement of exclusivity, origin, or something simmilar should be removed from that artcile of not properly sourced. This article seems to need permanent watching. Dentren | ^Talk 16:39, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I dont get Perubian, i just read in the news that they claim ownership as well, but now they are saying the dance is from the region, seems to me that they are changing their arguments, ill just keep looking, but for what ive seen the dance is much stronger in Bolivia than Peru or Chile, so maybe it is Bolivian afterall.

It seems to me that Evo Morales has brainwashed Bolivians. Just because the dance is more popular in Bolivia, it doesn't mean that the Bolivians invented it. That's quite a pointless argument.--$%MarshalN20%$ (talk) 12:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing

I'll try to find more sources about the dance. I don't really care much about it, but I don't agree with the random IP editors who vandalize the page and take advantage of the lack of reliable sources. My position is the same: The Diablada is a dance of Peru, Chile, and Bolivia. It's an important part of these 3 nation, and not one nation can claim exclusivity of this dance. Of course, if any other editor wishes to bring in other sources in order to build up on the article, they can feel free to do so.--$%MarshalN20%$ (talk) 17:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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Here i found some sources (Mexican, not Bolivian or Perubian) about the status of the conflict, unfortunatly is in spanish, if you know spanish then read them. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/621071.html http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2009/08/21/index.php?section=espectaculos&article=a08n2esp

Those sources talk about Bolivian propaganda for the dance. Nothing more.--$%MarshalN20%$ (talk) 12:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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well i went to Bolivia 2 years ago and seen the Entrada universidad, hope is spelled correctly, really big party in La Paz, all streets closed and a lots of dances including Diablada, the next year I went to Peru and havent see it, they had other good dances but I haven’t seen this Diablada. and now I hear that the town of Puno only has it, looking at a map, and adding the regions in Chile that the Diablada is danced, Bolivia is the center and at the borders with Peru and Chile, it is also the places where the Diablada is danced. In my opinion the dance has spread from Bolivia to the borders of other countries many years ago maybe, iam not saying is Bolivian but if you see it, feels Bolvian. Now it is true, they don’t have the exclusivity to dance it, but hey if I was a Brazilian going around saying the Tango is from Brazil, I am sure there would be some mad Argentineans that would be really pised of

The Diablada was being danced in Puno much longer than it has been in Oruro. So, the Diablada originated in Peru. Simple as that. However, the Peruvian government does not claim sole ownership of the dance. It knows that Bolivia and Chile also practice it, and thus it was never really a point of discussion between these nations. That is, until Bolivia now claims it as its own.--$%MarshalN20%$ (talk) 12:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)