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== Help request ==
{{Admin help}}
Yeah, I have to take the IPs side on this one. This seems rather unfair that you won't unblock a collateral damage IP and seems like a [[WP:BITE]] violation. Here's what they originally said:

Thank you for your help. I understand what you say. Having read carefully what you say I understand the need for WP to take severe measures to protect itself against a determined troll. Unfortunately, the IP range used is for a popular UK mobile broadband ISP, and you're likely blocking some users who do not bother going any further than seeing they are blocked. Since I have not done anything wrong I thought I'd change my IP to edit. (I haven't been blocked or warned or anything, so this is fine.) Changing IPs is trivially easy for me; I log off and on again. The link I posted to Edith Bowman page (adam buxton) was from me, in the same location, using the same setup exactly as I has for the edits to this talk page; the only difference being to log-off and in again. This post is the same too. Thus, it's easy to avoid the range block for people who want to avoid it, but will be a very unfriendly "welcome" to WP for newbies. Putting one link to a press release on a talk page has taken me several hours of work, and had led me around about 18 different policy pages. I'm never ever going to try editing WP again, it has been a really unpleasant experience. And it's been a really unpleasant experience even though the only person who said anything to me was very pleasant. --[[Special:Contributions/31.126.10.167|31.126.10.167]] ([[User talk:31.126.10.167|talk]]) 13:44, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: WIKIPEDIA TELLS ME THE ABOVE TEXT CONTAINS EXTERNAL LINKS AND GIVES ME A CAPTCHA. WHAT ARE THE EXTERNAL LINKS? THE LINK TO YOUR OWN TEMPLATE? THE LINK TO THE STUPID SIG THING YOU FORCE PEOPLE TO USE?

Not sure what to do here, so I'm going to leave it in your hands. Thanks, [[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]]<sup>[[User talk:Nathan2055|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Nathan2055|contribs]]</sup> 15:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

== Previous unblock requests ==
{{unblock reviewed|decline=I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
{{unblock reviewed|decline=I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
*the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, <u>or</u>
*the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, <u>or</u>
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Please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] for more information. [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 10:31, 16 October 2012 (UTC)}}
Please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] for more information. [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 10:31, 16 October 2012 (UTC)}}


{{unblock reviewed | 1= DEAR WIKIPEDIA PEOPLE - OF COURSE THE FIRST APPEAL DIDN'T CONTAIN ANY REASON; THE ONLY THING THAT TELLS ME TO INCLUDE A REASON IS THE ERROR MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU FIRST THE SQUIGGLY-BRACE-UNBLOCK THING; TO HAVE SOMEONE DECLINE YOUR MALFORMED REQUEST WITHIN A FEW MINUTES IS VERY FRUSTRATING ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT CAUSES YOU TO LOSE THE LONG AND CAREFULY THOUGHT OUT REASON. THUS, THE FOLLOWING IS NOT AS POLITE OR WELL CRAFTED AS IT COULD BE. (As an aside I found the unblock procedures totally baffling. Very very confusing. Most people would not bother.)MaterialScientist blocked 178.98.0.0/16 which is a big range. The block is set to expire on 20th December. This range is used by mobile broadband provider T-Mobile, thus is possibly affecting very many people. I couldn't see a reason for the block. Perhaps the cryptic line ": range actively used by UkBoxen" is a reason? But the block prevents IP editing, and suggests I create an account, which is weird if UkBoxen already has an account. I really do not want an account. I understand there is a battle on WP between those who feel that everyone must get an account before they should be allowed to make any edits, but that positiion is not supported by policy, so it shouldn't be sneakily forced through actions like this. (I'm a bit grumpy because all I want to do is post a link to the Edith Bowman talk page - here it is, maybe you can copy paste it over there. http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/adam-buxton-and-edith-bowman-6-music.html [[Special:Contributions/178.98.42.237|178.98.42.237]] ([[User talk:178.98.42.237#top|talk]]) 10:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC) | decline=As you have noticed you're rangeblocked. We generally don't lift those in response to unblock requests; they're imposed only when a determined vandal or sockpuppeteer takes advantage of an IP range to evade their blocks and we feel we have no other option. Depending on how it was imposed, it can affect users with registered accounts who don't have [[WP:IPBE|IP block exemption]] editing on that range as well, so it isn't "weird" that UkBoxen already has an account (s/he abused it, which is why there's the rangeblock). If you don't want to register an account, consider using a computer somewhere that you don't otherwise use ... you might find you're on a different range there and can edit. — [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 13:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)}}
== EDIT CONFLICT ==

DEAR WIKIPEDIA PEOPLE - OF COURSE THE FIRST APPEAL DIDN'T CONTAIN ANY REASON; THE ONLY THING THAT TELLS ME TO INCLUDE A REASON IS THE ERROR MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU FIRST THE SQUIGGLY-BRACE-UNBLOCK THING; TO HAVE SOMEONE DECLINE YOUR MALFORMED REQUEST WITHIN A FEW MINUTES IS VERY FRUSTRATING ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT CAUSES YOU TO LOSE THE LONG AND CAREFULY THOUGHT OUT REASON. THUS, THE FOLLOWING IS NOT AS POLITE OR WELL CRAFTED AS IT COULD BE.

{{unblock reviewed | 1= (As an aside I found the unblock procedures totally baffling. Very very confusing. Most people would not bother.)MaterialScientist blocked 178.98.0.0/16 which is a big range. The block is set to expire on 20th December. This range is used by mobile broadband provider T-Mobile, thus is possibly affecting very many people. I couldn't see a reason for the block. Perhaps the cryptic line ": range actively used by UkBoxen" is a reason? But the block prevents IP editing, and suggests I create an account, which is weird if UkBoxen already has an account. I really do not want an account. I understand there is a battle on WP between those who feel that everyone must get an account before they should be allowed to make any edits, but that positiion is not supported by policy, so it shouldn't be sneakily forced through actions like this. (I'm a bit grumpy because all I want to do is post a link to the Edith Bowman talk page - here it is, maybe you can copy paste it over there. http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/adam-buxton-and-edith-bowman-6-music.html [[Special:Contributions/178.98.42.237|178.98.42.237]] ([[User talk:178.98.42.237#top|talk]]) 10:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC) | decline=As you have noticed you're rangeblocked. We generally don't lift those in response to unblock requests; they're imposed only when a determined vandal or sockpuppeteer takes advantage of an IP range to evade their blocks and we feel we have no other option. Depending on how it was imposed, it can affect users with registered accounts who don't have [[WP:IPBE|IP block exemption]] editing on that range as well, so it isn't "weird" that UkBoxen already has an account (s/he abused it, which is why there's the rangeblock). If you don't want to register an account, consider using a computer somewhere that you don't otherwise use ... you might find you're on a different range there and can edit. — [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 13:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)}}

== please include original unblock request? ==

what? I don't understand? You surely have access to the original unblock stuff? As far as I know I didn't remove anything. It just said "Please include the reason for wanting to be unblocked", I think. --[[Special:Contributions/178.98.42.237|178.98.42.237]] ([[User talk:178.98.42.237#top|talk]]) 10:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

== New section: ==

{{helpme}}

The above admin has a protected talk page, so I am unable to place this message there. please can someone pass it on? Ta.

===

Thank you for your help. I understand what you say. Having read carefully what you say I understand the need for WP to take severe measures to protect itself against a determined troll. Unfortunately, the IP range used is for a popular UK mobile broadband ISP, and you're likely blocking some users who do not bother going any further than seeing they are blocked. Since I have not done anything wrong I thought I'd change my IP to edit. (I haven't been blocked or warned or anything, so this is fine.) Changing IPs is trivially easy for me; I log off and on again. The link I posted to Edith Bowman page (adam buxton) was from me, in the same location, using the same setup exactly as I has for the edits to this talk page; the only difference being to log-off and in again. This post is the same too. Thus, it's easy to avoid the range block for people who want to avoid it, but will be a very unfriendly "welcome" to WP for newbies. Putting one link to a press release on a talk page has taken me several hours of work, and had led me around about 18 different policy pages. I'm never ever going to try editing WP again, it has been a really unpleasant experience. And it's been a really unpleasant experience even though the only person who said anything to me was very pleasant. --[[Special:Contributions/31.126.10.167|31.126.10.167]] ([[User talk:31.126.10.167|talk]]) 13:44, 16 October 2012 (UTC) --[[Special:Contributions/31.126.10.167|31.126.10.167]] ([[User talk:31.126.10.167|talk]]) 13:44, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: WIKIPEDIA TELLS ME THE ABOVE TEXT CONTAINS EXTERNAL LINKS AND GIVES ME A CAPTCHA. WHAT ARE THE EXTERNAL LINKS? THE LINK TO YOUR OWN TEMPLATE? THE LINK TO THE STUPID SIG THING YOU FORCE PEOPLE TO USE?

Revision as of 15:27, 16 October 2012

Help request

Yeah, I have to take the IPs side on this one. This seems rather unfair that you won't unblock a collateral damage IP and seems like a WP:BITE violation. Here's what they originally said:

Thank you for your help. I understand what you say. Having read carefully what you say I understand the need for WP to take severe measures to protect itself against a determined troll. Unfortunately, the IP range used is for a popular UK mobile broadband ISP, and you're likely blocking some users who do not bother going any further than seeing they are blocked. Since I have not done anything wrong I thought I'd change my IP to edit. (I haven't been blocked or warned or anything, so this is fine.) Changing IPs is trivially easy for me; I log off and on again. The link I posted to Edith Bowman page (adam buxton) was from me, in the same location, using the same setup exactly as I has for the edits to this talk page; the only difference being to log-off and in again. This post is the same too. Thus, it's easy to avoid the range block for people who want to avoid it, but will be a very unfriendly "welcome" to WP for newbies. Putting one link to a press release on a talk page has taken me several hours of work, and had led me around about 18 different policy pages. I'm never ever going to try editing WP again, it has been a really unpleasant experience. And it's been a really unpleasant experience even though the only person who said anything to me was very pleasant. --31.126.10.167 (talk) 13:44, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: WIKIPEDIA TELLS ME THE ABOVE TEXT CONTAINS EXTERNAL LINKS AND GIVES ME A CAPTCHA. WHAT ARE THE EXTERNAL LINKS? THE LINK TO YOUR OWN TEMPLATE? THE LINK TO THE STUPID SIG THING YOU FORCE PEOPLE TO USE?

Not sure what to do here, so I'm going to leave it in your hands. Thanks, Nathan2055talk - contribs 15:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Previous unblock requests

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

178.98.42.237 (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

Please include the original unblock request.

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

  • the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
  • the block is no longer necessary because you
    1. understand what you have been blocked for,
    2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
    3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Max Semenik (talk) 10:31, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

178.98.42.237 (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

DEAR WIKIPEDIA PEOPLE - OF COURSE THE FIRST APPEAL DIDN'T CONTAIN ANY REASON; THE ONLY THING THAT TELLS ME TO INCLUDE A REASON IS THE ERROR MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU FIRST THE SQUIGGLY-BRACE-UNBLOCK THING; TO HAVE SOMEONE DECLINE YOUR MALFORMED REQUEST WITHIN A FEW MINUTES IS VERY FRUSTRATING ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT CAUSES YOU TO LOSE THE LONG AND CAREFULY THOUGHT OUT REASON. THUS, THE FOLLOWING IS NOT AS POLITE OR WELL CRAFTED AS IT COULD BE. (As an aside I found the unblock procedures totally baffling. Very very confusing. Most people would not bother.)MaterialScientist blocked 178.98.0.0/16 which is a big range. The block is set to expire on 20th December. This range is used by mobile broadband provider T-Mobile, thus is possibly affecting very many people. I couldn't see a reason for the block. Perhaps the cryptic line ": range actively used by UkBoxen" is a reason? But the block prevents IP editing, and suggests I create an account, which is weird if UkBoxen already has an account. I really do not want an account. I understand there is a battle on WP between those who feel that everyone must get an account before they should be allowed to make any edits, but that positiion is not supported by policy, so it shouldn't be sneakily forced through actions like this. (I'm a bit grumpy because all I want to do is post a link to the Edith Bowman talk page - here it is, maybe you can copy paste it over there. http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/adam-buxton-and-edith-bowman-6-music.html 178.98.42.237 (talk) 10:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

As you have noticed you're rangeblocked. We generally don't lift those in response to unblock requests; they're imposed only when a determined vandal or sockpuppeteer takes advantage of an IP range to evade their blocks and we feel we have no other option. Depending on how it was imposed, it can affect users with registered accounts who don't have IP block exemption editing on that range as well, so it isn't "weird" that UkBoxen already has an account (s/he abused it, which is why there's the rangeblock). If you don't want to register an account, consider using a computer somewhere that you don't otherwise use ... you might find you're on a different range there and can edit. — Daniel Case (talk) 13:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.