Talk:Gyumri

This needs a lot of work, and the factual accuracy is questionable, to judge by a couple of quick Google searches. --inksauce-dot-com

Cimmerian origin of name

I first read about it in the city museum, and to be honest I never heard of Greek colonization in the region other than the coastal area of the Black Sea. I think this needs to be mentioned like it's done in the Crimea article. The first Kingdom that the Cimmerians destroyed was Urartu, Gyumri (Kumari) was on the territory of Urartu.

This site mentions it in the history section: http://www.gyumri.am/eng/history.html It's also mentioned here: "Gomer. Gomer is apparently the oldest son of Japheth. He is listed first and is one of only two sons whose descendants are listed. He is traditionally connected to the Cimmerians and the North Pontic steppe regions from about 1200 BC. The Cimmerians lent their name to the Crimean peninsula. A connection with the ancient Armenian city of Gyumri (also attested as Kumairie, Kumayri, Gumri, Gimira, etc.) is an intriguing possibility for the original Gomerite homeland. "

http://www.pursiful.com/writings/table_of_nations.html --Eupator 19:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, I have updated the main page with it.

As far as the supposed Greek origins of the first settlement go, the information comes from Brittanica and the other reference book cited on the main page. With both alternative explanations attributed now, we should be in good shape :) Ahasuerus 20:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Here is an excellent article on the biblical patriarchs: http://www.imninalu.net/2history03.htm#North

Gyumri: An Armenian Rendition of a Turkish name?

Wasn't it the Turks who called the city "Gumru"? I remember reading somewhere that the correct name of the city is supposed to be "Kumayri" and that after independence, residents decided to call it "Gyumri" because "Kumayri" phonetically sounded too much like the Armenian expression "Kou mayri" which means "Your mothers'". I'm not sure if this is at all accurate, but the thing about the city name sounding like the expression rings true. Hakob 02:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I have heard that too :) To be honest I'm not sure if it's an urban legend or not. Considering that Gegharkunik was never changed to different name because of what it sounds like i'm guesing it's just an urban legend.--Eupator 21:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Turks use Gumru/Gümrü, it doesn't mean anything in Turkish as much as I know but Gümrük means Customs.--Kagan the Barbarian 11:07, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

It was called Gumru when it was part of the Ottoman Empire, but that doesn't mean the name is Turkish in origin. C'mon, tell all Eupator, what does "Gegharkunik" sound like! Meowy 16:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Expanding History

I'll be expanding the History section of this article, anyone want to give me a hand? ;-)

Here's a page that has some useful info: http://www.gyumri.am/eng/history.html Hakob 06:17, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Old city views

Uploaded some images on Commons. You can use them in this article :) FHen 16:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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Dear 85.107.45.145. The marked towns were in Western Armenia, from where some Armenians emigrated during the 1826-28 war. They became "Turkish" cities after the Armenian Genocide. So pls discuss your postfactual edits here. Andranikpasha (talk) 09:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC) I also made some corrections, included the more reliable number of inhabitants from [1]. Andranikpasha (talk) 23:24, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Gyumri continued to develop in the 19th century, when, along with its surroundings, it became part of Russia, as a result of the Russo-Persian War (1804-1813).

This phrase is misleading. It comes afterÄrabian regime" and at once it ecame Part of the Russian empire under which it developed. Why is intentionally kept quiet about its Iranian Period? Becoming part of the Russian ampire after the Russo-Persian wars assumes that it was part of Iran=Persia. History should be neutral and not written in a anationalistic way. I have also said this in a number of occasion to editors from republic of Azerbaijan--Babakexorramdin (talk) 16:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Gap

There is a gap in the history section, which is more than a thousand years. Could somebody who has sources improve the section? --Seksen iki yüz kırk beş (talk) 15:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijani version of the name

Azerbaijani people have lived in this city for centuries and have been deported by Soviet or Armenian authorities. Lots of people from this city are of Azerbaijani decent. They all use Azerbaijani version of the name of this city. Thus, Azerbaijani version of the name also should be published. --Verman1 (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

This is precisely the same thing you've posted on the Yerevan and Artik talk pages. Perhaps you can introduce some sources as well as give your opinion if we should may be extend the same logic to the Baku, Kirovabad/Ganja, Tbilisi, and even Moscow pages on Wikipedia. I don't think habitation is the sole criteria for inclusion of a certain group's spelling of a town or city's name. Something much more substantial is required. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Just look at the article Yerevan and you can clearly see the article stating that At the beginning of the 20th century, Yerevan city's population was over 29,000, of which 49% were Azerbaijani Tatars (today referred to as Azerbaijanis), 48% Armenians and 2% Russians. --Verman1 (talk) 07:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

And? Armenians once formed a plurality in Tbilisi until very recently, but I don't see anyone clamoring to add the way they spelled the name to that article. The point is that the presence of a certain group is not the sole criteria to add the spelling to an article. The way you are going about this, furthermore, seems like you are trying to push a point of view, so please demonstrate better evidence than population statistics. Thanks.

Universities in Gyumri

I think the part about the universities and institutions of higher education in Gyumri is too short. Maybe we could try to add some detailed information about the universities (faculties, research areas, etc.). A list of all universities would be nice to have. Afterwards, maybe we could add an individual entry for each university. It would be really nice, if I could find some students from Gyumri. --Dvin (talk) 15:55, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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Gümrü

in Turkish. Böri (talk) 11:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Azeri propagandist photo

Interfase added an inappropriate photo of an insignificant (less than 4%) ethnic minority of a town to support Azeri territorial claims. Editors should exercise discretion and rely on Talk pages when images may be controversial or promotional. If the addition of an image is challenged by another editor, it was not uncontroversial. 188.255.44.254 (talk) 14:59, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I see you have some problems with Azerbaijani people. But it is your own problem and has nothing with this article. Azerbaijanis were a part of the history of this town. This photo is on a the postcard created during the period of the Russian Empire (Azeri propagandist?). At the end of the 19th century (during the period of Russian Empire) in Gymri more than 1000 Azerbaijanis lived. And this image reflects it and is very informative for readers. This photo shows us part of history of this town. I still don't understand what claims do you talk about? If you have another historical photos of the population of this town please fell free and add. But your removing of this historical image, which reflects history of this town, is just vandalism. --Interfase (talk) 15:15, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Too much people (150000) are living in Gyumri to put photoes of every 1000 here. 1000 is a little number for that and nothing else. be sure I have no problems with Azeris. 188.255.44.254 (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you understand the difference between historical photo and photo of the modern population of the town? --Interfase (talk) 15:25, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Why this "historical" Azerbaijani postcard is not dated? 188.255.44.254 (talk) 15:26, 5 October 2013 (UTC)