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Template:WP Australian crime Should massacres of settlers by Aborigines also be included?

On 27 October 1857 11 Europeans were killed at Martha Fraser's Hornet Bank station on the Dawson River, in central Queensland. On 17th October 1861 nineteen white settlers were killed at Cullin La Ringo, the largest massacre of whites by Aborigines in Australia's history. (preceding unsigned comment by Cfitzart (talk · contribs) 22:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC))[reply]

I think massacres of non-Aboriginal people should be included too as sometimes they were connected to Aboriginal massacres. e.g probably the Wills Family massacre in about 1860.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.98 (talk • contribs) .

What about Abo-Hunting?

I read something about the so called "Abo-Hunting". From 1816 till the 1930s about 200.000 Aborigines were killed by white settlers. I think this should be added to the list—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.151.247.118 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 10 December 2005 (UTC+10 hours)

That AH post didnt really contribute anything and used derogatory terms so I erased it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.98 (talk • contribs) .

Don't delete other people's comments - nobody has deleted yours even though they are repetitive, badly spelled and unsigned despite numerous requests - Oh and PS we are all volunteers--A Y Arktos\^talk 09:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are a rude thing Arktos. You need to go to manners school. Its attidues like that makes people find better to do. Also, that AH term is highly derogatory. Does wik support using derogatory terms re a culture that has suffered massive genocide? If so this is a disgusting place.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.33 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC+10 hours)

Well, the list can be added to providing that the information is adequately referenced. The history of massacres of Aboriginal people in Australia has been a hotly contested area in recent years. And the overall numbers of indigenous Australians killed in frontier conflict has been especially controversial. See for example the article Black armband view of history, which contains a rough summary of some of the debate. So it would probably be advisable for anything on this list to be referenced. Ideally, if numbers are estimates, or if the facts and numbers are disputed for particular massacres, that should be mentioned here too. --Alexxx1 13:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The real evidence of Aboriginal massacres is the remains, especially in these days of advanced forensics. However, Australia's acid soils sooon dispose of human remains even if those remains were not burned first before burial which was one of the usual practices. I live in an area where there were several (maybe many) massacres of Aboriginal people. My family came here in the 1840s and the town still slings off about massacres though probably less then it used to. The reaction if anyone gets too close to one burial site is bizarre. If Keith Windshuttle came to this town and asked the usual places (Museum, Council, Library), where the evidence of Aboriginal massacres are - they would look at him blankly and innocently though they would know. Do townships willingly disclose secrets like this from their past especially to stangers not even from local areas? Keith Windshuttle would then go off and claim there were no massacres at this location as there is no proof of any. However, that does not negate the fact there were several massacres. Windshuttles unrealistic yardstick re proof of Aboriginal massacres isnt appropraite to the topic and its context. Those now collating this information are doing so carefully so it can't be denied again as to deny genocide is a very abyssmal thing for a nation to be doing. I was bought up to know all about the arsenic dampers left on fence posts etc and heaps worse. If an Aboriginal person then goes and borrows that damper to eat, well its his/her fault if they die - isnt it. They were not only massacred but the blame for it happening was turned around on the victim. We understand the same dynmaics these days re Family Violence where the perpetrator blames those he attacks.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.98 (talk • contribs) .

Aboriginal people share food. Food is regarded as being there for all to access, (unless cultural restrictions forbid some food types depending on moiety etc). Taking an apparently abandoned damper off a fencepost was not considered a crime in Aboriginal culture. This cultural difference about what was regarded stealing and what wasnt, was exploited by some colonials to lay baits.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.98 (talk • contribs) .

Sections

Could this list be sectioned by State/territory? -- I@n ≡ talk 08:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can bad language such as 'Abo' not be used here. That is so rude.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.128 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC+10 hours)

Name

Would this article be better named List of massacres of indigenous Australians? The current title is a bit ambigious and excludes massacres of TSI peoples (if there were any)--Peta 02:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha order & headings

Would anyone mind if I ordered this page in alphabetical order & headings? I think this would make it easier to read - and easier to find a particular article if you needed to? Cheers Danielle (If I don't hear anything, I'll just go ahead & do it I guess) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.237.169 (talk • contribs)

I think chronological order makes more sense, although I agree that it is not particularly clear at the moment. It could do with some reorganising, perhaps into a table? --bainer (talk) 04:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 :I think chronological order makes more sense, although I agree that it is not particularly clear at the moment. It could do with some reorganising, perhaps into a table? --[[User:Thebainer|bainer]] ([[User_talk:Thebainer|talk]]) 04:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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-Heyo I note that you questioned the veracity of an anons additions to Gundagai regarding a 19th century aboriginal massacre. Further editing by a similar looking IP address has made the article even less encyclopaedic. Personally I would just delete everything the anon wrote but wiser heads like yourself may be able to incorporate the changes without it looking like a harangue by a semi-literate. Cheers. --Roisterer 10:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
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-I agree with your semi-protection stance to reduce vandalism to this article. Rather than block in the first instance from now on, I'll semi-protect wherever necessary. Blocking will of course be used if the problem moves on to other articles. -- Longhair 22:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC) [edit] Reversion of edits and blocking I have reverted the unsigned and abusive edit of 203.54.9.97 (talk • contribs • block log) and blocked for three hours. Avoidance of the block by this editor would be a breach of wikipedia policy.--A Y Arktos\talk 22:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
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-These admins have gone feral over the Coolac Massacre.  They must all have been there in 1830s.