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Wherever there is Hinduism there is Caste System??
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Cheers, [[User:Chris Chittleborough|CWC]]<small>[[User talk:Chris Chittleborough|(talk)]]</small> 15:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Cheers, [[User:Chris Chittleborough|CWC]]<small>[[User talk:Chris Chittleborough|(talk)]]</small> 15:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==ignorance==
:You are wrong that Hindu Nationalism mandates caste. Several HN people have denounced casteism.[[User:Hkelkar|Hkelkar]] 12:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
::Please discuss with me, knowing wikipedia policies like No original Research [[WP:NOR]], Verifiability [[WP:V]] and NO PERSONAL ATTACKS or INCIVILITY [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:Civility]].[[User:Hkelkar|Hkelkar]] 12:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:national hinduists are afraid of Christianity because it threatens their caste system. Without hinduism the cast system wouldn't exist.
===Hinduism according to BBC===
''Hinduism teaches that most humans were created from parts of the body of the divinity [[Purusha]].
According to which body parts they were created from, humans fall into four basic castes which define their social standing, who they can marry, and what jobs they can do.'' [http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/living/caste.shtml]
===Caste System according to BBC===
Traditionally, there were four main varnas, plus one group of outsiders:
* The Brahmins, or priests: the highest varna, believed to have emerged from Brahma's mouth.
* The Kshatriyas:the warrior or ruling class who were made from Brahma's arms.
* The Vaishyas: merchants or artisans who came from Brahma's thighs.
* The Shudras: the unskilled labourers and servants who emerged from Brahma's feet. These were the lowest class, or varna.
* The Untouchables: those too lowly to be within the varna system.
Source:[http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/living/caste.shtml The Caste System]

===Carefully crafted mis-citations and misinformation above===
::Don't conflate the Caste System with Hinduism. read about the Caste System among Muslims and the Caste System of Yemen.

::The Muslim Caste system is established by the Islamic Fatwa of the Fatwa-i-Jahandari. It is not connected to Hinduism


::Caste and Social Stratification Among Muslims in India by P.Aggarwal
::Political thought in the Delhi Sultanate is a book that translates the Fatwa-i-Jahandari
::Aspects of Caste in South India, Ceylon and North-West Pakistan by Edmund Ronald
::Changing Social Stratification in Rural Bangladesh by Imam Ali

::The Untouchables of Yemen are not connected to Hinduism
::http://www.yemenmirror.com/index.php?action=showDetails&id=136
::http://www.yementimes.com/99/iss01/l&d.htm


::Christian Caste System in India:
::http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-9360711/Christian-caste
::http://indianhope.free.fr/site_eng/article_5.php3

[[User:Hkelkar|Hkelkar]] 12:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

===Caste System not connected to Vedanta or Smartism===
:Caste System was detailed in the Manusmriti. The Manusmriti was written after Vedanta so anyone like a Smarta Hindu who rejects the authority of post-vedantic scripture rejects the Caste System.
:Please learn about things you hate because you are ignorant of them.Let's not talk about [[Christianity and anti-Semitism]] and the long history of racism associated with Christianity.[[User:Hkelkar|Hkelkar]] 13:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

===More Information===
About Muslim Castes in India

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_partition/410.html

Book by Babasaheb [[Ambedkar]] (famous anti-Caste activist in India)

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/12109.html

Article by a MUSLIM detailing the Muslim Caste System.


[[User:Hkelkar|Hkelkar]] 03:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


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==I am not an anti-Christian==
:Please see my contributions on [[Persecution of Christians]].[[User:Hkelkar|Hkelkar]] 12:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

== Wherever there is Hinduism there is Caste System?? ==

:What about [[Yemen]]? There is no Hinduism there yet there is a Caste System.I already gave you the al-Akhdham references. Read them.What about your Latin America (I presume that's where you're from, sorry if I'm wrong). There is a well-oiled Caste System in most Latin American Countries (even your apparent hero Hugo Chavez alluded to this with the White Anglo overlords against the Mestizo underlords). Where are the Hindus here[[User:Hkelkar|Hkelkar]] 07:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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Please see my discussion on the article's talk page. --Brianyoumans 06:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

White supremacy

Hi. I've just reverted your recent edit to White Supremacy, because there is no evidence that Pat B. is a White Supremacist, or even a White Separatist (which are not the same thing, by the way!).

Please note the introductory paragraph for the section you edited:

What follows is merely a list of contemporary figures who are primarily known for their current support of white supremacy. The majority of people who are part of the "White Power" movement denounce any type of association with Racial Supremacism. They characterize the label as a misconceived epithet or a pejorative stereotype, and consider themselves advocates of racial separatism or nationalism, which they see as opposed to racial supremacism. Most "White Power" activists are opposed to living in a multi-racial society, whereas racial supremacism demands a multi-racial society.

If you wish to argue that Buchanan is a full-fledged White Supremacist, then (as a HTML comment following that paragraph says)

**** PLEASE VISIT Talk:White supremacy/Workspace-People before editing here.
**** Changes which are not explained and justified there are may be blindly reverted.

Cheers, CWC(talk) 15:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ignorance

You are wrong that Hindu Nationalism mandates caste. Several HN people have denounced casteism.Hkelkar 12:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please discuss with me, knowing wikipedia policies like No original Research WP:NOR, Verifiability WP:V and NO PERSONAL ATTACKS or INCIVILITY WP:NPA and WP:Civility.Hkelkar 12:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
national hinduists are afraid of Christianity because it threatens their caste system. Without hinduism the cast system wouldn't exist.

Hinduism according to BBC

Hinduism teaches that most humans were created from parts of the body of the divinity Purusha. According to which body parts they were created from, humans fall into four basic castes which define their social standing, who they can marry, and what jobs they can do. [1]

Caste System according to BBC

Traditionally, there were four main varnas, plus one group of outsiders:

  • The Brahmins, or priests: the highest varna, believed to have emerged from Brahma's mouth.
  • The Kshatriyas:the warrior or ruling class who were made from Brahma's arms.
  • The Vaishyas: merchants or artisans who came from Brahma's thighs.
  • The Shudras: the unskilled labourers and servants who emerged from Brahma's feet. These were the lowest class, or varna.
  • The Untouchables: those too lowly to be within the varna system.

Source:The Caste System

Carefully crafted mis-citations and misinformation above

Don't conflate the Caste System with Hinduism. read about the Caste System among Muslims and the Caste System of Yemen.
The Muslim Caste system is established by the Islamic Fatwa of the Fatwa-i-Jahandari. It is not connected to Hinduism


Caste and Social Stratification Among Muslims in India by P.Aggarwal
Political thought in the Delhi Sultanate is a book that translates the Fatwa-i-Jahandari
Aspects of Caste in South India, Ceylon and North-West Pakistan by Edmund Ronald
Changing Social Stratification in Rural Bangladesh by Imam Ali
The Untouchables of Yemen are not connected to Hinduism
http://www.yemenmirror.com/index.php?action=showDetails&id=136
http://www.yementimes.com/99/iss01/l&d.htm


Christian Caste System in India:
http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-9360711/Christian-caste
http://indianhope.free.fr/site_eng/article_5.php3

Hkelkar 12:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Caste System not connected to Vedanta or Smartism

Caste System was detailed in the Manusmriti. The Manusmriti was written after Vedanta so anyone like a Smarta Hindu who rejects the authority of post-vedantic scripture rejects the Caste System.
Please learn about things you hate because you are ignorant of them.Let's not talk about Christianity and anti-Semitism and the long history of racism associated with Christianity.Hkelkar 13:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More Information

About Muslim Castes in India

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_partition/410.html

Book by Babasaheb Ambedkar (famous anti-Caste activist in India)

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/12109.html

Article by a MUSLIM detailing the Muslim Caste System.


Hkelkar 03:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No Personal attacks

Please do not remove legitimate warnings from your talk page or replace them with inappropriate content. Removing or maliciously altering warnings from your talk page will not remove them from the page history. You're welcome to archive your talk page, but be sure to provide a link to any deleted legitimate comments. If you continue to remove or vandalize legitimate warnings from your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks.


Do not make personal attacks against me or anyone on wikipedia. This diff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_caste_system&diff=prev&oldid=81580267

Is completely unacceptable. Please discuss civilly concerning a subject about which you seem to know very little and don;t understand the intricacies and subtleties.Hkelkar 12:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Hkelkar

I am not an anti-Christian

Please see my contributions on Persecution of Christians.Hkelkar 12:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wherever there is Hinduism there is Caste System??

What about Yemen? There is no Hinduism there yet there is a Caste System.I already gave you the al-Akhdham references. Read them.What about your Latin America (I presume that's where you're from, sorry if I'm wrong). There is a well-oiled Caste System in most Latin American Countries (even your apparent hero Hugo Chavez alluded to this with the White Anglo overlords against the Mestizo underlords). Where are the Hindus hereHkelkar 07:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]