Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NoCal100

NoCal100

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Older archives were moved to an archive of the archive because of the page size and are listed below:

• Sockpuppet investigations/NoCal100/Archive/1

For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NoCal100/Archive.

A long-term abuse case exists at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/NoCal100.

06 May 2020

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Suspected sockpuppets

• JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Here come the Suns (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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Here come the Suns has already been blocked by the arbitration committee, but I believe that user, and JungerMan Chips Ahoy!, are the latest incarnations of NoCal100. Both users edit at similar times as past socks. JungerMan doesn't have a ton of edits to compare to, but the timecards show similar times away: JM, HCTS, and compare to for example Canadian Monkey, or NoCal100, or When Other Legends Are Forgotten. Both users participated in Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Floquenbeam_2 (both voting no), with that being JungerMan's first edit in 2 years.

Similar interests:

• Cluster munitions both JM and HctS
• Umreth Taluka JM and Tza Zha Men (that page averages 13 views a day
• Murders of Koby Mandell and Yosef Ishran JM and Two for the show (averages 26 views a day
• Status of Jerusalem Firkin Flying Fox, JM, They think it's all over and Canadian Monkey. Note that JM's edit was a revert of Malik Shabazz to "enforce the 1RR". Bad Dryer had previously hounded Malik, and past socks likewise had been "enforcing" arbitration decisions (except the part where NoCal was repeatedly banned of course)
• Six-Day War JM, Tzu Zha Men and Canadian Monkey
• Civilian casualty ratio Two for the show and JM
• Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War JM and HctS
• Ein Feshkha JM and HctS (Averages 19 views a day)
• Talk:Naharyim HctS and JM, averages 9 views a day) (article) with LoverOfTheRussianQueen creating the page
• Tal:Jordanian annexation of the West Bank JM, When Other Legends Are Forgotten, Bad Dryer, HupHullandHup, and Article edits by JM, When Other Legends Are Forgotten, and HupHollandHup
• Gaza Was 2008-2009 JM, Bad Dryer, HupHollandHup, NoCal100
• Muhammad al-Durrah incident JM and NoCal100
• Irgun JM and NoCal100
• Ein Harod, JM and Bad Dryer (20 view a day avg)
• Battir JM and Bad Dryer (20 views a day)
• Alan Dershowitz JM and Bad Dryer
• Killings and massacres during the 1948 Palestine war JM and When Other Legends Are Forgotten
• Battle of Karameh JM, Bad Dryer, NoCal100
• Ethnocracy JM and When Other Legends Are Forgoten
• Herut JM, Bad Dryer, NoCal100
• Annexation JM and Bad Dryer
• Talk:Gaza War JM, Bad Dryer and NoCal100
• White phosphorous munitions JM and NoCal100
• Palestinian Preventive Security JM and NoCal100
• Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center JM and Millmoss
• Ahava JM and Millmoss

There also seems to be the similarity of carrying on grudges through accounts. With bradv , HCTS had a dispute about a report he filed not resulting in a block. And now you can find JM demanding that bradv resign his bit over something that afaict has nothing to do with him.

There's additional evidence regarding tone I can add if needed, but this should be enough for a check I would think. Nableezy 04:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

As Sir Joseph notes, this amounts to a list of commonly edited articles, with edits made to different parts of the article, often many years apart. Similar lists could be constructed for any two editors active in the ARBPIA topic area. JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

This is damning evidence. I'd also add that in JM's earliest edits, he made minor edits to the pages of people involved in cinema, which perfectly syncs with NoCal users' behavior. See for example: [1][2][3]. However, in JM's post-2019 edits, there are no edits to cinema-related pages (possibly because it's been noted as one of NoCal's behavioral patterns on the long-term abuse page for NoCal[4]). The editor's edit history also seems to revolve around the same kind of fringe-BS-defending that NoCal's socks engaged in. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Other behavioral evidence: There is not much to go from in JM's edit summary language but of what little distinct language that JM used since 2019 (when editors have started to look closely at NoCal socks), JM uses "fix link"[5], same as NoCal socks[6]. JM uses "strong" source[7], same as NoCal socks[8][9][10]. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

If someone edits something eight years apart from another editor, is that evidence of socking? In the IP area there are always going to be articles that are edited by the same editors. Is Nableezy a sock of Huldra or Nishidani since they always seem to be at the same article? Every time a new editor shows up, Nableezy hounds them and asks "What is your other Wikipedia name?" or "Have you ever edited Wikipedia before?" This has to stop because while Wikipedia does have socks, this chases away new editors, we know new editors usually come to controversial articles first and chasing them away by being aggressive should not be allowed either, even though in this case the subject is not a new editor. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 14:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

So you would close down WP:SPI, simply because some of the suspects support your editing position? This post is shameful. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Onceinawhile, I don't believe that's what I said. But weren't you the one who opened an SPI against him merely because he didn't support your editing position? That was shameful. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 14:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Are you saying we should allow "new" editors even if they are clearly sockpuppets?--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 14:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

SharabSalam, I don't believe that's what I said. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 14:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Then what did you mean when you said "Every time a new editor shows up, Nableezy hounds them and asks "What is your other Wikipedia name?" or "Have you ever edited Wikipedia before?" This has to stop because while Wikipedia does have socks, this chases away new editors" please explain.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 14:54, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

SharabSalam, putting things in bold doesn't change meanings of words. I suggest you read what I wrote again. This isn't the place to have a discussion on how to treat new editors. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 14:58, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, making accusation against the OP in SPI without providing evidences seems suspicious.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 14:58, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

SharabSalam, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/JungerMan_Chips_Ahoy!/Archive Please stop bothering me. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I said against the OP. You said "Is Nableezy a sock of Huldra or Nishidani since they always seem to be at the same article?" and "Every time a new editor shows up, Nableezy hounds them and asks "What is your other Wikipedia name?" or "Have you ever edited Wikipedia before?". Also, that SPI seems legitimate. PS: you don't need to ping me, I have this page in my watchlist.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Fascinating to see above that a NoCal sock started the Naharayim article. JM's aggression during what was an otherwise calm discussion was striking, as were his almost 100 combined talk page edits at Naharayim and the related First Jordan Power House.[11] It's clear that the editing time zones are the same[12][13]. One thing that caught my eye in those conversations is that he reasonably regularly starts posts with a lower case letter - i will take a look at NoCal socks for the same. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I had some run-ins with Suns before he departed. I have not been precisely keeping track but JM seems to have popped up in a lot of the same places and seems to like following me around like Suns did. Not very scientific I know, still.Selfstudier (talk) 14:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Selfstudier, Maybe it because you edit same hot-button topic in ARBPIA area --Shrike (talk) 14:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Could be so, I started to notice right after Naharayim discussion here which I would not have thought to be a hot button issue (not then). See how it's a discussion with Suns so I couldn't be bothered then to have yet another argument with him and I let it go. Then when someone else showed up to to do the RM, first one on the scene is JM. Maybe it's just a coincidence.Selfstudier (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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