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Christian science fiction

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Prod contested.

As the many tags note: 1) this term is not current amoungst SF critics (it is not found in the Encylopedia of sicence fiction. Hence it is Original research and a neologism. 2) It has no sources, so fails to establish notability or verifiability. 3) It is inherently NPOV for wiipedia to assign authors or works to a specific religion catergory without sources, and to make up a genre for one religion but not others. This can and is be covered at the NPOV religion in SF and religious ideas in science fiction articles, but has no info worth merging to either. Every genre doesn't have a christian sub-type - this isn't Christian rock, whic does exist. Yobmod (talk) 15:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. —Jclemens (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. —Jclemens (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. —Jclemens (talk) 15:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as prod contester.

1. The lack of mention in one source is hardly proof of non-notability. I will be searching for additional RS to add. Further, Notability is not temporary, so older RS will work just as well--the term need not be in current usage to be encyclopedic.
2. That is a reason for cleanup, rather than deletion. The article has been so tagged, and I (and hopefully others) will be addressing those concerns.
3. If there are ample RS'es for "Christian Science Fiction" as a sub-genre (as any student of C.S. Lewis knows there will be), then the article has sufficient notability to stand on its own. Religion in speculative fiction (note that Religion in science fiction is merely a redirect to that article) is a one-paragraph stub, and if this were (once cleaned up, of course) merged to thart article, it would place WP:UNDUE weight on one particular religious viewpoint in science fiction. Note that List of religious ideas in science fiction#Christianity is about Christianity as a subject for science fiction, rather than a perspective or authorial motivation, which is what Christian science fiction should be about. Jclemens (talk) 15:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, The article has some issues which is the purpose of the cleanup tags but the subject is notable. Here are some sources that either discuss the term or use it to describe literature:
  • Mort, John (2002). Christian Fiction: A Guide to the Genre. Littleton, Colo: Libraries Unlimited. pp. p159. ISBN 1-56308-871-1. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help)
  • Stroup, John; Glenn W. Shuck (2007). Escape into the Future: Cultural Pessimism and its Religious Dimension in Contemporary American Popular Culture. Waco, Tex: Baylor University Press. pp. p69. ISBN 1-932792-52-X. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Bramlett, Perry C. (1996). C.S. Lewis: Life at the Center. Peake Road. pp. p3. ISBN 1-57312-054-5. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help)
  • "washingtonpost.com: Michael Dirda". The Washington Post. 2000-10-29. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
  • "Fredericksburg.com - Catholic faith, fiction a good combination for Stafford couple". {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
  • "05-09-2003 - 'Superior Species' a classic science fiction formula". Free Lance-Star. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
  • Joe Garofoli (2005-12-03). "SAN FRANCISCO / Moving pictures / Mission of liberal-oriented film club is to inspire social action and entertain". San Francisco Chronicle. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

And I know this probably does not count as a reliable source but Barnes & Noble does list Christian Science Fiction & Fantasy as a separate category on their web site.--Captain-tucker (talk) 16:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Note:WP:WikiProject Novels and WP:WikiProject Novels/Science fiction task force have been notified of this discussion. --Captain-tucker (talk) 16:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Note that the nominator failed to mention that he created Religion in speculative fiction‎, to which religion in SF redirects, less than 20 minutes before creating this AfD. Yobmod, you are invited to comment on your rationale for recommending that this article be deleted in favor of an article you had just then created. Jclemens (talk) 22:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)