User talk:Maîtresse

A Statement of ADORATION

Yes I too am become a devoted follower of the my deity the incredible and all-adored IPU. I must thank you, fellow believer, for introducing me to His Omnipotence. Indeed, I too am prepared to sacrifice my meaningless earthly life to the search for Pinkhalla where I will be pampered by dead virgins previously sacrificed to His Invisibleness. I hope they have chiken on the menu, pink chicken of course...

Would you believe I was actually eating burek (the cheese-filled kind to be specific:) when I first opened your userpage. I couldn't agree more to that userbox of yours! (Even to the Slovene related part :D) It's a crying shame what the nationalists have and are doing to these (once)beautifull parts of Europe, (that's why I'm planing to get the hell out of here as soon as I graduate from med school...) Anyway, thanks for the tip —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DIREKTOR (talk • contribs) 11:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC). Stop The Lies 03:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

Films of Yugoslavia

Hello and welcome how are you. I am glad you support the list of films. Well I actually set the pages uyp and was going to list all notable films by country gradually using the great navigation box I set up from African films to Yugoslav films. However for some reason a number of users think it is not encylcopediec. Weird of course nowledge of films is infomration but not only this I plan to start articles on all missing films by country and by year 1896 onwards, I know in 6 months time people will note how amazing my work has actually been. However at present I am compiling the lists in Wikiproject film e.g Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Argentine Films rather than on the lists because I don't want any of my work to be deleted. I am taking wikiproject film by the scruff of the neck and making sure every notable film that the world has produced has an article on wikipedia. Not bad eh? But I need help by the dozen. If I can give you instructions do you think you couod help maybe on Yugoslav films? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 10:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

hey you see the idea. These liosts are supposed to be a part of the Cinema of .... pages. Obviously you can't list all of the films on that page so e.g on the Cinema of Yugoslavia page on the section Films there should be a link saying

Main article: List of Yugoslavian films

. I'll find you a link from the imdb and to begin with you can just copy them. Its probably best though you work on the Wikiprject lists. With Argentina I have gone throguh each fiolm quickly so far and have removed the films that are notable enough e.g short documentaries, short plays and films with zero infomration which are not suitable for wikipedia. Then once that entrie list is cut down we should have one great list by country of missing films that should be turned into articles asap. I will even sho you how to start film articles on wikipedia if you like. It is a great cause. I started Agua (2006 film) amongst others yesterday.

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article. Yesterday I set up all of the missing films by country lists but as you can see I have only started Argentina and Bulgaria so far.

Your outside link is http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Countries/Yugoslavia/

Your main list should be ciompiled on Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Yugoslavian Films which I just set up for you.

If you could copy and paste all the films to start with once layed out in the A-Z later we can decide which films are notable and remove the non notable ones from the list but this is a great start

exams huh! Trust me copying them straight onto that page from imdb will take 15 minutes maximum. Then every Yugolsav film will be listed ready to sort. I'll start A and B for you have a look see what I mean on Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Yugoslavian Films now

See what I have just done to Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Yugoslavian Films we now have a list of films beginning with A from Yugloslavia it took 5 minutes max. B can be copied next. I have removed most of the TV films which are not feature films. Then once these lists are copied we can start filtering out the films that are not notable. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

See my templates below I thought it was a great idea:

{{Filmsbycountry}} {{Filmsbyyear}}

welcome

Welcome!

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userboxes

I have updated your userpage per your request, I hope you don't mind :) If you look at what I did, you can see how it was done, or you can read up on it here: Wikipedia:Userboxes // Laughing Man 02:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Novi Sad

Yes, I noticed your edits in Novi Sad articles - such edits are welcome of course. My knowledge of English is not best one, but therefore other users like you are here to correct me. :) Have a nice day. PANONIAN (talk) 14:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

We are still learning English, thanks for corrections :))) --Göran Smith 22:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Map

Well, the map means that after 50-60 years Bosniaks will rule over entire Bosnia and Albanians will rule over entire Serbia (starting in 2050 there will be more Albanians than Serbs in Serbia). Of course, if Kosovo become separate from Serbia, the story might have different end. PANONIAN (talk) 02:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Extreme view? No, that is a science. Every demographer in Serbia will confirm that Albanians will be dominant nation in Serbia in the future. It is just the Serbian politicians want to hide this truth from the people. PANONIAN (talk) 02:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

"while families in most of Serbia limit their reproduction to 2 children"

Well, not anymore. It is much lower number than this: it is -4 children, not even enough for simple reproduction. And if Kosovo and Serbia remain in the same country, after 50-60 years Albanians will have majority of seats in Serbian parliament, Albanians will form the government of Serbia, president of Serbia will be ethnic Albanian, etc... PANONIAN (talk) 03:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

"Interesting point of view, I haven't thought of it like that before."

That exactly was point of my map - people should start to think about that. If Kosovo stay in Serbia, even today there will be at least 20% ethnic Albanian deputies in the Serbian parliament and it will not pass much time until this 20% rise to more than 50%. What can I say? The Serbian politicians are nothing but idiots - they just repeat like parots that Kosovo must stay in Serbia but even they do not understand what that means. But how can they understand it anyway? The most important thing for them is that their back side is in the chair... PANONIAN (talk) 03:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your questions: unfortunately, I do not have exact data about growth of Albanian population in Central Serbia and Vojvodina (I would like to see that data too), but I have some partial data anyway: in 1971, there were 65,507 Albanians in Central Serbia and 3,086 in Vojvodina, while in 2002, there were 59,952 Albanians in Central Serbia and 1,695 in Vojvodina, so seems that their number in fact decreased (On the contrary in Kosovo, there were only 498,242 Albanians in 1948 and 1,607,690 in 1991 (a 3 times biger)). However, today, the Kosovar Albanians usually emigrating to western European countries to search for jobs, but in the future, if Kosovo stay in Serbia and if Serbia develop economically, then Kosovar Albanians most certainly will go to search for jobs in Belgrade or Novi Sad and thefore the situation from my map would be very possible. As for elections, Kosovar Albanians today do not vote in the Serbian elections, but only in the elections in Kosovo. By the Serbian law, citizens of Kosovo can vote in Serbian elections but only Kosovar Serbs and some Roma use this right. PANONIAN (talk) 04:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, mislio sam da ne znaš srpski dobro. Balkanija je inače bio predlog jednog albanskog političara da se tako zove federalna država čije bi članice bile Srbija, Kosovo i Crna Gora. Što se Srba u Bosni tiče, moguća su tri rešenja: 1. ili da se BIH raspadne i RS postane nezavisna, 2. ili da BIH ostane u sadašnjem uređenju (slično Belgiji ili Švajcarskoj gde različiti narodi dele vlast), 3. ili naravno Bošnjakistan, što opet zavisi od nekih stvari, jer iako Bošnjaci imaju veći natalitet od Srba, pitanje je koliko će im biti atraktivno da se naseljavaju u RS. Na mapi sam samo predstavio najgore moguće ishode i za Srbiju i za RS što ne znači i da verujem da će tako biti, ali da ne bi bilo tako treba unapred misliti o tome, zar ne? PANONIAN (talk) 04:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Novi Sad škole

Da, mislim da sam ja počeo taj članak o školama, ali nemam trenutno vremena da ga dopunim, pa ako ti imaš vremena, možeš i ti dopisati spisak svih škola tamo. Takođe ne znam čime bih mogao dopuniti članak o tvojoj osnovnoj školi, jer ja sam napisao članak o školi Prva vojvođanska brigada u koju sam ja išao, pa ni taj članak nije baš nešto preterano dugačak. Probaj da nađeš neki web site koji govori više o školama, pa možda nađeš podatke da dopuniš članak. Što se tiče samog članka, slobodno napiši nove članke o čemu god želiš. Što se tiče dela grada gde se škola nalazi, Futoški put 25a je definitivno na Telepu, tako da i u članku Telep možeš napraviti novi naslov "Education" i tamo staviti link do članka o školi. Što se tiče naslova članka, kad budeš imala jedan određen broj izmena na Vikipediji onda dobiješ i dodatnu mogućnost da menjaš imena člancima (što trenutno ne možeš), tako da ću ja promeniti ime tog članka. Mislim da bi najbolje odgovarao naslov "Nikola Tesla elementary school, Novi Sad". PANONIAN (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Your message

Stop the Lies, I don't know how to reply to your message via Wikipedia so I'm posting direct to you here.

You're right, young people have to be able to build the future without being trapped forever by the legacy of the past. But nevertheless the past is a reality and your own personal resistance to reaching an accommodation with people who see the past as other than how you represent it should give you some insight into the need for resolution before people can move on.

It took a long time before the British and the Germans were able to reach an understanding with one another after World War II. That they did was very largely due to the honesty and desire for truth of the grandchildren of the perpetrators of the Holocaust (and not very much to the British tabloid media). Although Germans too had suffered as a result of Hitler's wars, the new generation of German youth saw the importance of understanding the wider picture and demanded explanations from their parents and grandparents. As a result of their determination to find out the truth and accept responsibility we are able to acknowledge the faults that were committed on all sides. That process of reconciliation between former enemies has taken a lot longer where Japan is concerned because the Japanese have (with many honourable exceptions) been far more reluctant to examine Japan's historic role.

You start out with a picture of what happened in the war in Bosnia that is your own and you reject the different picture that other people saw at the time and which they have seen confirmed by solid evidence unearthed - literally unearthed - since then. If you can't accept that civilians were killed at Srebrenica, if you insist that only 2000 were killed and these were soldiers (and I presume that you believe that these were deaths in combat or the killing of prisoners as random acts of revenge) and if you deny that the intent existed to conduct a campaign of ethnic cleansing that records of the proceedings of the Republika Srpska assembly have confirmed and the acknowledgment on the part of Mladic for example that this would entail genocide, then you haven't established the basic understanding that will provide a meeting place where you and your contemporary can go off and enjoy a burek together.

You're a student and I assume from the intensity of the way you express your feelings that whatever your point of view it's a genuine one. I've entered discussion on a number of occasions in the past with individuals who've expressed a similar unhappiness about what they see as the unjust way in which Serbs have been condemned for their part in the war. Often the apparent genuineness of feeling has turned out to be false - simply a mask for self-serving propaganda. The decent Serbs with whom it has been possible to have a proper conversation never let the suffering of their own people prevent them acknowledging the wider truth, and that makes it possible to feel we share a common humanity.

It is true, there were victims on all sides and there were crimes on all sides. But that doesn't mean that responsibilities were the same. There are issues that are open to dispute, particularly with regard to outside intervention. But the general lines of what happened on the ground have been argued over with sufficient input from both sides to establish the general picture. As Bassiouni and Mazowiecki acknowledged very early on, Serbs were victims of atrocities, but Bassiouni and Mazowiecki were also clear that the overall balance of suffering lay elsewhere and that hasn't been disproved in any objective forum.

I'm not arguing with you in order to force you to see matters through my eyes. I'm certainly not an authority. Don't take anything I say on trust. Instead examine all the evidence in the way that a university student should. Read the sources that you do trust. Then compare what they say with sources that make a different case. Be dispassionate and take those sources apart. Weigh the evidence. Don't take anything for granted. Be critical with your sources - and when you're able to find fault with any of them, as you inevitably will, use your judgment to decide whether those faults cast doubt on the source's motivation and undermine its credibility or whether they reflect genuine doubt and confusion. Apply that approach to all of them, to UN Rapporteur reports, ICTY judgments, Parenti, with the same impartiality. Challenge facts, challenge the framework of exegesis built on them, but when two sets of alleged "facts" conflict use your analytical capabilities to decide which is more credible. An allegedly authoritative source is to be distrusted because you have found it to be wrong, not because you believe it is wrong because of the basis on which it has been presented to you as an authority.

That way you I hope you will understand why some people find it hard to say simply, there were problems on both sides, let's call it quits and go off for a burek.

--Opbeith 12:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

My Reply: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Opbeith Stop The Lies 19:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

Hello STL

Apologies for having taken so long to get back to you, but things have been in a bit of a state of upheaval this last week, with Christmas displacements, etc. I've just posted a reference to the UN Secretary-General's 1999 report to the General Assembly on the fall of Srebrenica at the Wikipedia article. Yes, the article has its faults - compounded by regular destructive attacks by hostile contributors - but I believe that overall it doesn't stray too far from the truth.

I'm sorry there's such a gulf between us but at least we know where we stand. I can't say that I don't fundamentally disagree with you about the facts as you and I see them, because essentially I really do disagree with you. I don't expect you to want to spend time wasting breath arguing with me, in the same way that I feel reluctant to go over what to me feels like old ground. But I respect your genuine anger about what you see as injustice. Always stick by what you believe to be true.

All the best for 2007

--Opbeith 19:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:en

Thats great, your from Novi Sad, ql. I'm not originally, but 2/3 of my life I lived in the city. From which part of Canada are you from?

For English, I know what you mean. For me, English is much simpler and has wider vocabulary than Serbo-Croatian. I only need to work on my spelling and writing, thats one of the reasons why I'm working here, to practice. If you want to en prove your Serbian, why don't you write on Wikipedia on Serbian language (some manor articles)... maybe can help :) --Göran Smith 03:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Škole

Nisam stigao pre da ti odgovorim. Inače nisam mislio da napišeš nešto više o svakoj školi, već da samo pomeneš sve škole u ovom članku: Education in Novi Sad. I sam bih to uradio, ali nikako da stignem, pa ako ni ti nemaš vremena, nema veze, uradiće to već neko. :) Na Telepu mislim da ima gimnazija Laza Kostić, ali nisam 100 posto siguran da li se tako zove, pa ne bih ništa da dodajem dok to ne proverim. PANONIAN (talk) 04:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Kada pišeš tekstove vezane za Novi Sad, stavi Novi Sad-stub, umesto Serbia-stub; i ako već pišeš za škole, stavi ove kategorije... Category:Schools in Serbia i Category:Education in Novi Sad, umesto onih koje koristiš. --Göran Smith 10:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Hi there, I just read your comment on the Srbosjek rfD page. I wanted to apologise unreservedly for implying you were trolling in one of my posts. Irrespective of my perplexity @ your post, it wasn't a constructive remark & detracted from the points we were both trying to present.

Just so you know, I'm not a fan of people being the subject of debate rather than the arguments they present, because that personalises the debate, which generally is not constructive.

Thanks for your efforts on the 1999 NATO bombing of Novi Sad article. Whilst we have differing perspectives on certain subjects, I believe we can work constructively together on common articles of interest, & look forward to doing so in the future.

Cheers, iruka 06:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes

You could read a lot of books published by the Helsinski Odbor and/or Bundesrepublik Deutschland. My favourite is "Poslednja sansa Jugoslavije"; all of those books were harshly criticized by the Serbian (and Seselj called it just another Vatican fabrication) because it really speaks harshly about the revisionist SPS and SRS, but also even criticizes the democratic SPO and even ruling DSS. But what all those people that read it failed to do is read it fully. The book is just what it should be - as harsher as it could about former Yugoslavia. They do not miss to speak about Islamic fundamentalism under Alija Izetbegovic in Bosnia, nor the rise of Neo-Nazism in Croatia (which they referred to as the "Franjo Tudjman's rehabilitation of the Ustasha cause"). It doesn't leave out Slovenia, Kosovo, nor Montenegro or even Macedonia. If you're interested in it, you should check it out, if you want to see the real sight of the Yugoslav digest. --PaxEquilibrium 18:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll do my best, but don't expect a lot. --PaxEquilibrium 10:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

re: watchlist

The green/+ means additions, red/- means removals, and the parenthesis show how many characters have changed. I think it becomes bold when there's over 500 characters or something like that. You can read about more details here: Help: Watching pages#What do the colored numbers mean?.

Feel free to ask me any other questions you might have and I can point you in the right direction :) // Laughing Man 13:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

commons:User:Stop_The_Lies

I assert to be the same user as commons:User:Stop_The_Lies Stop_The_Lies Stop The Lies 03:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

Canada

I lived in LA for 17 months a couple of years ago, I've never been to Canada though but from what I gathered from my (arrogant:) Californian friends (between the gang-war gunshots), the country's a HUGE snow-drowned forest with a couple of skyscrapers jutting out of it ;)... somehow I didn't get the impression that had anything to do with reality, eh? :D (P.S.: Do people really say 'eh' after every sentence? (Just kiddin'))DIREKTOR (talk)

Post on anti-Serb user's talkpage (en:User:CroDome)

Initial post on en:User_talk:KazakhPol

Hello, I do not understand why you stated that my comment should be ignored. I did not remove/revert any contribution of said user, nor did I alter their userpage. I simply called certain things to their attention, being very specific so the user understands my concern. The user might not understand why their edits keep getting reverted and why their userpage (as you can see) has been altered significantly. Please do not try to diminish the attempts of Wikipedia editors who are trying to help others. Thank you. Stop The Lies 04:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

I detected very little desire on your part to help this user, and a lot more of a desire to intimidate them. KazakhPol 04:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

As a wikipedia user who seems to know the ropes, you should know to always assume good faith. I used courteous language and as I said, did NOT revert any changes made by this user, so you have no right to accuse me of 'intimidating' anyone. In fact, I encouraged the user to keep contributing once he realized his errors. If I were trying to intimidate him I wouldn't have taken all that time to point out what is considered wrong about his contributions, as I and other wikipedia users see it. I would have simply said "Stop vandalising/defamating/insulting etc. or you will be blocked," although I have never resorted to such threats. Stop The Lies 04:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

You titled your subsection "Userpage and Vandalism," yet none of your diffs show this user has engaged in vandalism. I would also dispute how you characterized several of those links. For one thing, your labeling of certain diffs as pov and then attempting to pass that off as a user conduct violation is completely inappropriate. KazakhPol 04:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh really, you don't think any of the user's edits were vandalism??? How about when the user tried to pass of Montenegrins as Croats (with an edit summary saying that any idiot knows this)!?!?!?! If you don't see this as vandalism, then, my friend, you have issues. Stop The Lies 04:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

Indeed. KazakhPol 04:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Films of Yugoslavia 2

Hey pal. Howz u? You showed an interest in List of Yugoslavian films? Well I am going through now added a full filmogrpahy for each country ordered by year and even date of release . See List of Argentine films. Feel free to begin adding Yuglosav films to the table I have now placed in the page. P.S Very nice lady!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You

Hello, my name is Avdo. I would just like to thank you for your support in trying to help solve the problem of user CroDome. I hope that, thanks to our action, this user has been discredited for his nationalistic and even fascist views (he wrote "Za Dom Spremni" to Ivan, which was a fascist slogan in NDH during WWII) and I hope that, one day, there will be no more ethnic hate, at least on Wikipeida :) I like your user page, and I agree that "the different ethnicities of former Yugoslavia should shut up and go eat some burek! :)" :)) Have a barnstar! :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 20:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For the excellence in neutrality and editing style. I hope you keep up your unique view on the Balkans and its people. Your very concise editing style is a great example to us all. --GOD OF JUSTICE 20:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

:) I like the "burek charity" idea. The problem with most people from the Balkans is that it is very hard to find something to unite us, but it's so easy to turn us against each other. I'm sure we all like burek (I know I do :)) and little things like that could be a good start to bringing people together, instead of, as CroDome would say, living in fear. :P Thats why I consider myself a Yugoslav, and I'm sad that many people (especially young people who haven't even lived in the SFRY) see Yugoslavia as one of the worst periods for all the republics within the former federation, but life was much more relaxed then. Can people in your country of Canada go for a two-month summer vacation from work? Regarding ethnicities, I think that people should be free to express themselves, as long as they don't dislike any other ethnic group. One thing that, in my opinion, ruined Yugoslavia is the fact that you couldn't really express your ethnic affiliation, and that's what led to nationalism. It has gone so far that one user actually told me that the C-C-C-C symbol (the symbol of Serbs) is a nationalistic symbol! I think its OK for Croats, Serbs and others to feel proud of their ethnicity, but when their ethnic affiliation becomes an obsession, thats when problems arise, and the best example of that is CroDome. I think you definately deserved that barnstar, because you are very calm and cool when it comes to heated issues, and you think before you do, which is why I respect your work. Keep up the good work! :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 01:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Post from en:User:CroDome

You talk of ethnic hatred? I am today forced to live with Serbians. Do you know that every single moment of my life is fear? You might never know when a Serb couldn't attack me from a corner and cut my throat! I don't want to die, I want to live - but many Serbs have proven hostile to me, and I think that they want nothing but even more dead Croats, and they've aimed at me. You cannot possibly know how I feal, for you're not in Serbia (one of the most fascist governments on erth).

Stop The Lies, are you Serb? --CroDome 23:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

My Response (located below horizontal line): en:User_talk:CroDome#Speedy_deletion

WP:ATK

You should be aware that WP:ATK, which Yuser cited, is not actually policy, but a guideline. Discussion is always better than reverting/deleting somebody's userpage. Jeffpw 09:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thx for pointing that out, although I myself would never edit someone's userpage, but would confront them first (as I did w/ CroDome). :) Stop The Lies 22:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies

The best solution would be if Srijem with Zemun got annexed by Croatia; then we would be protected from Belgrade; sadly, the Serbs took the largest part of Srijem with them, and we can only dream that one day Stijem will join Croatia...