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First of all, everybody in Tamilnadu knows that TMSV Mudaliar had close association with Brahmins and sent their wives as concubines to Brahmins and many of you are possibly bastard children of Brahmins. This is how you rose to the position you enjoyed during Nawab rule and British rule. Obviously there are no inscriptions to prove this, just as there are no inscriptions to say that there are dalits in Tamilnadu.

Let us hope you as capable of normal discussion since you can read English.

It is a simple question, maybe you can understand this or not. If TMSV is such a great feudal lord caste (which apparently you are not), why the hell are you guys deleting references to KondaiKatti Vellala and stealing the proofs of KondaiKatti Vellala. It is such an obvious error. Even a person who is not familiar with India can find the error.

Next time search for proofs about what TMSV group were doing instead of KondaiKatti Vellala.

When u are sitting in a glass house, throwing stones on others wont help you in any way. So proving that something is poor, does not make you good. You stand on your own merit.

This is the modern democratic world. Everybody is defined by who they are and not what their ancestors were doing 1000 years ago. From your point of view, KR Narayanan and Abdul kalam who have risen to be presidents of India are inferior, because of who their fathers were. You get low respect not because you are bastards of Brahmins, but because of the prejudice and bigotry you exhibit. As psychologists say, only the inferior try to prove others are inferior and only a thief thinks everybody steals.

Now it is very clear why your group was thrown out of Tamilnadu along with Brahmins.

Wikipedia is about adding relevant facts not for your propaganda nonsense.

User:Mudaliar and his equivalents have the maturity to understand this. But if you get mature enough, you will add the section on KondaiKatti Vellala who is definitely not your group. Otherwise continue the reverting and propaganda. It looks like your ego is tied too much to your propaganda.

Finally, just because you write your propaganda in Wikipedia does not mean anybody is going to believe you in Tamilnadu or anywhere else. Even other Saiva Vellalals dont give any respect to TMSV. What you are doing is so ridiculous but you are definitely not getting the joke.

Venki 05:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deva Raya was a Telugu invader and not a Tamil. Telugu rulers had problems in getting the services of the KAI KOLA warriors into their service. Kai Kolar refused to serve under non-Kshatriya Telugu rulers. This is one of the reason the Telugu rulers started problems against the Kai Kolar.

VijayaNagar was established by a non-kshatriya Telugu Kamma (farmers or farming laborers). That is why the Kshatriya =Kai kolar refused to work as soldiers for the LOW castes and continued SILK weaving as their main profession.

Vijaya Nagar rulers had no ancestry of any ROYAL clans. Telugu invaders of Tamil country adopted more ISLAMIC traditions than HINDU traditions.

Vijaya Nagar rulers tried many ways to destroy the dominance of the KAI KOLAR in the SILK weaving business but unable to do it.Vijaya Nagar introduced the PATTU NOOL KAARANS -another weaving clan known as DEVANGA - against the Kai Kolar. Pattu Nool Karans are from the NORTH.

Telugu invaders had no intelligence about the SILK weaving. Further they had no trained soldiers to fight. That is why they lost to MUSLIMS. NanthanM 10:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kaikolas cannot be classifed by the Aryan Varna caste system

Kaikolars cannot be classified by the Aryan Varna caste system. This is similar to putting a Arab or Jew or African or Chinese into Kshatriya, Vysya, etc. The Aryan Varna caste system is only for Aryans. Kaikolans are tamilians.

Which language group belong to ARYA VARNA CASTE SYSTEM?

Pakistanis?

Pallava are Brahmin

Pallavas are brahmins. They have made many inscriptions claiming that they are are brahmins of Bharadvaja gotra. Hence Pallavas are not considered as tamil kings.

Then what happened to the decendants of the Pallava kings in Tamil Nadu?

Pallavas never claimed as brahmans at the start of their power. Later only some Pallavas left some inscriptions as they belonged to Bharadwaja Gothra.

The early Pallavas belonged to Nanthi gothra. Pallavas used NANTHI (BULL) their emblem. Kaikolans are still belong to NANTHI GOTHRA.

I hope the pius DEVADASI system became a system of only dancing and prostitution after the demise of the PALLAVA empire. 70.49.117.55 04:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sengunthar CN Annadurai is the founder of DMK

CN Annadurai is the founder of DMK and he is a kaikolan from Kanchipuram. This is a well known fact. ~ Founding a political party never deny a person's ancestry !

The writer must tell the meaning and history of the word KAIKOLAN! ~

Bharathidasan a great poet who supported DMK is a Sengunthar

~ What about the Indian Communists who too do not support CASTE system.? ~

Sengunthars fought against the aryan Varna caste system

Read the works of CN Annadurai and Bharathidasan. Both of them fought against the Aryan Varna caste system.

Joti Basu too fight the Aryan Varna Caste system. 70.49.117.55 04:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable persons

Why cannot others remember THILLAYADI VALLIYAMMA who was the first dead in the war of mahathma Gandhi in S/Africa?

Kai Kolar still support CONGRESS and not DMK which is the CHILD of the Justice party.

DMK itself was founded by Sengunthar CN Annadurai of Kanchipuram.

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-==RESEARCH ARTICLES and INSCRIPTIONS: KAIKOLARS = DEVADASIS/ DEVARADIYARS==
+== TMSV Propaganda editors Read this ==
-The Kaikolars are described in great detail in the following research articles and their identity has been clearly proven as the same terinja-Kaikolar Padai of the Chola empire. There is absolutely no question of any ambiguity. You can only deny in vain. Pathetic.
+First of all, everybody in Tamilnadu knows that TMSV Mudaliar had close association with Brahmins and sent their wives as concubines to Brahmins and many of you are possibly bastard children of Brahmins. This is how you rose to the position you enjoyed during Nawab rule and British rule. Obviously there are no inscriptions to prove this, just as there are no inscriptions to say that there are dalits in Tamilnadu.
-. ''The Erotic Sculptures of India Y. Krishan Artibus Asiae, Vol. 34, No. 4 (1972), pp. 331-343''
+Let us hope you as capable of normal discussion since you can read English.
-'''(proves that kaikolan musicians = devadasis)'''
-link 1: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dasi+kaikolan+musician
-link 2: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-3648(1972)34%3A4%3C331%3ATESOI%3E2.0.CO%3B2-2
+It is a simple question, maybe you can understand this or not. If TMSV is such a great feudal lord caste (which apparently you are not), why the hell are you guys deleting references to KondaiKatti Vellala and stealing the proofs of KondaiKatti Vellala. It is such an obvious error. Even a person who is not familiar with India can find the error.
-. ''Artisans in Vijayanagar Society, Vijaya Ramaswamy, Indian Economic & Social History Review, Vol. 22, No. 4, 417-444 (1985) ''
+Next time search for proofs about what TMSV group were doing instead of KondaiKatti Vellala.
-'''This research article explains the blood relation between the Devadasis and the Kaikolar. ("Devaradiyar (dancing girls who have very close kinship ties with the Kaikkolar'''
+When u are sitting in a glass house, throwing stones on others wont help you in any way. So proving that something is poor, does not make you good. You stand on your own merit.
-link 1: http://ier.sagepub.com/cgi/content/citation/22/4/417
-link 2: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=devaradiyar+who+have+close+kinship
-Register for free -> http://www.sagepublications.com/sjofreeaccess/
+This is the modern democratic world. Everybody is defined by who they are and not what their ancestors were doing 1000 years ago. From your point of view, KR Narayanan and Abdul kalam who have risen to be presidents of India are inferior, because of who their fathers were. You get low respect not because you are bastards of Brahmins, but because of the prejudice and bigotry you exhibit. As psychologists say, only the inferior try to prove others are inferior and only a thief thinks everybody steals.
-. ''Weaver Folk Traditions as a Source of History, Vijaya Ramaswamy, Indian Economic & Social History Review, Vol. 19, No. 1, 47-62 (1982), http://ier.sagepub.com/cgi/content/citation/19/1/47?ck=nck''
-register here for free->http://www.sagepublications.com/sjofreeaccess/
+Now it is very clear why your group was thrown out of Tamilnadu along with Brahmins.
-'''This research article explains in vivid detail, the way the Kaikkolas used their women to enjoy special privileges in the Vijayanagar empire. (Text Quoted from article: "At least one woman in every Kaikkola household was, according to age-old tradition dedicated to the temple as a devaradiyar or devadasi. The devaradiyar enjoyed special privileges in the days of the Vijayanagar empire and were the only women permitted a direct audience with the king".'''
+Wikipedia is about adding '''relevant facts''' not for your propaganda nonsense.
-link2: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=at+least+one+woman+kaikkoli+household+devaradiyar+devadasi
+User:Mudaliar and his equivalents have the maturity to understand this. But if you get mature enough, you will add the section on KondaiKatti Vellala who is definitely not your group. Otherwise continue the reverting and propaganda. It looks like your ego is tied too much to your propaganda.
-. ''Weaver Folk Traditions as a Source of History, Vijaya Ramaswamy, Indian Economic & Social History Review, Vol. 19, No. 1, 47-62 (1982), http://ier.sagepub.com/cgi/content/citation/19/1/47?ck=nck, register here for free->http://www.sagepublications.com/sjofreeaccess/ ''
+Finally, just because you write your propaganda in Wikipedia does not mean anybody is going to believe you in Tamilnadu or anywhere else. Even other Saiva Vellalals dont give any respect to TMSV. What you are doing is so ridiculous but you are definitely not getting the joke.
-'''This research article (along with references to an inscription) describes how a devaradiyar or devadasi won special privileges for the Kaikkolas from the king Deva Raya II (A.D 1433)'''
+[[User:Venki123|Venki]] 05:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
-link2:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=devaradiyar+won+special+privileges+for+the+kaikkolas+deva+raya+II
-. ''Some Enquiries into the Condition of Weavers in Medieval South India, Indian Historical Review, Vol. VI, Nos. 1 and 2''
-. This article talks in much detail about how women from the Sengundhar/ Kaikola caste get into the sacred prostitution in temples.
-'''"Contending identities: Sacred prostitution and reform in colonial South India Priyadarshini Vijaisri A1, A1 Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS), New Delhi" South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies Publisher: Routledge, part of the Taylor & Francis Group Issue: Volume 28, Number 3 / December 2005 Pages: 387 - 411'''
-To view the complete article just register, its free. Here are the links :
-http://journalsonline.tandf.co.uk/link.asp?id=jv31l27518262711 If you cannot access it then just go to the following page and follow one of the links
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Contending+identities%3A+Sacred+prostitution+and+reform+in+colonial+South+India
-'''Venki Devadiya, should've held your tongue. I'll give you more and then some!!'''
-[[User:Mudaliar|Mudaliar]] 23:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
-Nothing available from the above mentioned sources to tell WEAVERS families dedicated DEVADASIS.
 Deva Raya was a Telugu invader and not a Tamil. Telugu rulers had problems in getting the services of the KAI KOLA warriors into their service. Kai Kolar refused to serve under non-Kshatriya Telugu rulers. This is one of the reason the Telugu rulers started problems against the Kai Kolar.