User talk:Waggers

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Its too bad i know him just as well or better than you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.250.250.208 (talk • contribs) 21:10 GMT, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

(Not only unsigned, but somewhat indecipherable and lacking context...) Waggers 09:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Since I noticed it poking through contribution histories, it's probably in response to your edit revert on Micheal Milligan Clark... which I've now proposed for complete deletion anyhow, since I'm not so sure the article had all that much merit in the first place. Seems to be made by either one person or a group of friends at Southern Utah University just to see what happens. -Bbik 23:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I appologise for the Vanadlism this account added to the page - it is my personal computer and a recent guess decided to go on Wikipedia - I appologise for this, please do not block me from the service as I did not intend this whatsoever and believe wikipedia is a good and helpful service. 81.79.33.19 14:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

User talk:66.222.50.11

You wrote:

Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to the Lung cancer page. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Waggers 22:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

My comment is not nonsense or vandalism. Here it is, fleshed out with additional links.

Passive smoking has been fraudulently trumped up as a risk factor for lung cancer in order to force smoking bans on an unwilling public, by politically-connected charlatans. They committed scientific fraud by ignoring the role of carcinogenic viruses as a cause of lung cancer in non-smokers. The US EPA's ETS report was written by handpicked anti-smokers, using illegal pass-through contracts to conceal their role. The Inspector General of the EPA stated that in the case of the Brown subcontract, "EPA program personnel and ICF simply circumvented the contracting officers" altogether, clearly a violation of proper procedures.

http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2046746882-6952.html?start_page=33&end_page=39

And, in a statement before OSHA informal public hearing on proposed rulemaking vis-a-vis Indoor Air Quality, est. date April 5, 1994, A. Judson Wells confessed to his role. He said that "From 1989 to 1993 I was an unpaid consultant to Kenneth G. Brown, Inc., a subcontractor to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in their work leading up to the publication of their report: Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders. I am a coauthor of that report. More recently I have consulted, again unpaid, for the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration on health effects of passive smoking and am testifying on their behalf today."

http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2081784668-4691.html

On the board of directors of the corrupt contracting firm, ICF, was Frederic V. Malek, a crony of George W. Bush, and also a big shot in the Democratic Party, former California Rep. Tony Coelho.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/856200/0000950109-94-000884.txt

This is the truth about how the US EPA ETS report was written, and then released in the closing days of the administration of President George H.W. Bush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.222.50.11 (talk • contribs) 23:59 GMT, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Here is my reply. Waggers 08:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

User Talk:66.222.50.11 reply

Waggers wrote: "Wikipedia policy is that articles should not show bias and should cite sources for every statement. There is plenty of evidence that passive smoking can cause lung cancer, and plenty of public support for smoking bans; therefore to suggest that passive smoking has been "fraudulently trumped up as a risk factor for lung cancer in order to force smoking bans on an unwilling public" is simply not true."

1. How many sources for each statement would you like? I don't want to be accused of spamming if I dumped every ETS & lung cancer study and every HPV & lung cancer study on you. The studies are listed on these pages:

http://www.smokershistory.com/etslies.htm

http://www.smokershistory.com/hpvlungc.htm

2. There is NOT plenty of evidence that passive smoking can cause lung cancer, because ALL of the studies have been defective. There has not been a single one that considered (or even discussed) the role of HPV, which is involved in more than ten times as many cancers as those claimed for ETS, and of the great liklihood of spurious "ETS risks" caused by confounding.

3. The supposed "public support" for smoking bans is the entirely the product of a systematic campaign of propaganda and censorship by the mass media, and is therefore no more reputable than a Communist election.

Waggers said: "Furthermore, your addition only makes reference to smoking bans and research in the USA. Wikipedia is an international encyclopaedia and any country-specific sections should be clearly marked as such."

The studies the EPA reviewed came from around the world, and are the same ones reviewed and cited by the IARC and everyone else.

Waggers said: "One last thing - when using talk pages, pleas sign your posts using four tildes. Thanks, Waggers 08:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC"

66.222.50.11 18:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)