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== Introduction == |
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As a long-time resident of the Twin Cities, I've always been aware of Rondo, and the importance it had (and has) to the Black community and in general. Creation a Wikipedia page for Rondo is a daunting task. I've started this page, not because I was up to that task, but because of the importance of the topic, and because now is a moment when additional resources are available that weren't before. |
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The creation of this page is not complete, it's just barely started. I look forward to continuing to contribute, but I'm confident others will step in as well. The rest of this page at this point is a draft inventory list of work to be done, which also is not complete etc.. by any means. I'm looking forward to this page being an accurate, unbiased entry regarding this topic, and welcome all input! |
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Section started:[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 19:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Last Updated:[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]]([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 11:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
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== Content suggestions/ideas (from reference sources) == |
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Location Section: Map of neighborhood |
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Community Section: Representative photos |
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Businesses of Rondo section completed - all that had been operating within Rondo prior to 1956; potentially with info about how long they'd been in business, whether they were able to re-establish elsewhere or not, other notable details. Organizations also - social, political, etc.. Probably their own sub-pages once there are substantial numbers recorded. |
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Additional Visual details: Other? |
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Financial aspects documented: Loss of equity experienced by those displaced. Financial damages incurred due to vandalism during the conflict period. Information about the block grants provided, and the incentive included in that structure for paying the least-possible to each family displaced. |
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Information about the migrations into Rondo: where people came from, who their employers were, etc.. |
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Information about the struggles over where I-94 would go - neighborhoods pitted against each other, political aspects of the outcomes. |
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Where people went from Rondo - choices available here in the cities, the decisions of some to move elsewhere. |
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Section started:[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 19:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Last Updated:[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 11:58, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
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== Incoming links to establish for this page == |
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:Neighborhoods in St. Paul - Summit |
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:Main article: Summit-University |
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:Rondo Days page |
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:Rondo disambiguation page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondo_(disambiguation) |
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:Roy Wilkins |
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:Toni Stone |
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Section content originally entered:[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 12:45, 16 December 2017 (UTC) Last Updated: [[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== Response to 1/12/18 review == |
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Changes made: |
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* More detailed referencing |
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* Reviewing tone |
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* Primary sources moved to 'additional reading' section, confirming they aren't basis for any conclusion statements or anything like that |
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* Map data added re: after I-94 was built, where it exactly is located, what exists where Rondo was (hopefully as of right after highway done, and then over the years, etc.. |
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Substantive text changes; |
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*Deleted (from Location section): |
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''"Rondo neighborhood predated zoning regulations, and while there was no heavy industry, there was a positive mix of commercial and residential properties within a pedestrian-friendly organization - similar to what many communities are trying to recreate today."'' |
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**The intention had been to add references to that (and possibly more text), but going in different direction now, with that section being more of a dataset about the location in terms of streets that became freeway vs streets on either side of freeway that were Rondo, etc..." |
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*Deleted (from National section): |
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''"Migration into the Rondo neighborhood was concurrent with migration north in general within the African-American community. In particular, the good employment opportunities in the early Twin Cities were the main motivating factor. |
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Organizations grew up within Rondo in relation to national organizations of similar types, including political, religious, and community-based. Examples include the St. Paul chapter of the NAACP and the Hallie Q. Brown center which was related to the settlement house movement such as the Hull house in Chicago."'' |
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**I think it would be constructive to have this content (re-written and referenced) and more like it in place eventually, but for now am removing for the sake of simplicity and expediency. |
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Initial Entry: [[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 12:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC) Last Updated: [[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 15:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
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== Acknowledgement == |
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Thank you to the staff of the St. Paul Public Library for their assistance in locating materials related to the Rondo Neighborhood! |
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[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 9:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC) |
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== Response to 1/14/18 review == |
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Significant text deletions, including 'national' section - under the assumption that that section was deemed to be original research, since the sources didn't cite Rondo by name (even though Rondo was certainly in the group of processes they were talking about). |
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Section combinations, including combining 'initial beginnings' with 'community description' for better language compliance. |
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Word changes, taking out descriptive words such as 'epicenter' vs. 'center' for better wording compliance. |
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Requested feedback at the Teahouse, for additional learning! |
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Section content originally entered:[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 15:39, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Last Updated: [[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 15:41, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
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==Per Teahouse suggestions== |
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Response to Teahouse suggestions- deleted lists of establishments within Rondo, as not yet referenced individually: |
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Businesses of Rondo |
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* Appeal newspaper |
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* St. Paul Spokesman newspaper |
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* Alexander Sweet Shop |
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* Jake Love Tailer Shop |
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* Brooks Funeral Home |
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* Lafayette Field's Pharmacy |
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* Bracher's Drug Store |
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* Booker T Cafe |
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* Walker Williams Pool Hall |
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* Noonan's Grocery |
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* Trost Grocery |
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* Emmett McGill’s Grocery Store |
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* Nicholas Kallar’s Barbershop |
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* Abraham Cooperman’s Tailor Shop |
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* Victoria’s Cleaners |
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* Martin Cafe |
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* Meyer's Tailor Shop |
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* Brooks Barber Shop |
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* Steichen's Grocery Store |
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* Richard and Raymond Young Brothers Barbershop |
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* Royal Gooden’s Ice Cream Shop |
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* Field's Drug Store |
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* Pivot Restaurant |
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* Dandridge Restaurant |
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* Coleman's Little Harlem Restaurant |
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* The Blue Moon |
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* Busy Bee Grocery |
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* Red Feather Restaurant and Bar |
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Organizations of Rondo |
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* Post 8854 of the African American Veterans of Foreign Wars |
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* St. Paul Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) |
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* St. Paul Urban League |
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* Credjafawn Social Club |
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* Sterling Club: Incorporated 1919. Founded 1918 to give prestigious black men, who were not allowed in white facilities, a place to meet and network. It was originally located at 315 North Dale Street in Rondo, moved in 1958 to 300 North St. Albans at Carroll. |
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* The Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, later unionized, and a member of the AFL-CIO |
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* Hallie Q. Brown Community Center |
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* Phyllis Wheatley Community Center |
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* Camphor Methodist United Methodist Church |
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* Ober Boys Club |
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* Welcome Hall Girls Club |
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* Clemons Brothers Ice Cream Shop |
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* Pilgrim Baptist Church |
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* Three Fours Club |
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* Post 8854 of the African American Veterans of Foreign Wars |
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* Saint James African Methodist Episcopalian (AME) Methodist Church |
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Schools of Rondo |
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* Marshall School |
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* Maxfield School |
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* J. J. Hill School |
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* Central High School |
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* St. Paul Mechanic Arts (Manual Training) High School |
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Points of Interest |
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* Lexington Baseball Park - located at Lexington and University |
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* Coliseum Pavilion - located at 449 Lexington and University- originally a dance hall, later a roller-skating rink |
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* Faust Movie Theater - located at Dale and University |
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Neighborhood amenities included a Streetcar which route on Rondo Avenue<ref name="Streetcar">{{cite web|last1=Nelson|first1=Paul|title=The Streetcar Era|url=http://saintpaulhistorical.com/items/show/151|accessdate=13 January 2018|}}</ref>, the Faust movie theater<ref name="Faust">{{cite web|last1=McClure|first1=Jane|title=Faust Theater|url=http://saintpaulhistorical.com/items/show/188|accessdate=13 January 2018|}}</ref>{{refn|group=note| “Built in 1911 at the southwest corner of University Avenue and Dale Street, the Faust was the neighborhood theater for generations of Frogtown and Rondo residents. The once-beautiful building had ornate brick detail, as well as stucco and wood features that gave it an almost Tudor-style appearance. The Faust hosted afternoon kiddie matinees as well as first-run movies. Many area residents remember having date nights there or going to enjoy movies with friends.” <ref name="Faust"></ref>}}, and Rondo's proximity to Downtown St. Paul where many employers were located. |
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Thanks very much to the Teahouse collective for the multiple responses! |
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[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 7:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC) Last Updated: [[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 1:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC) |
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== References == |
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{{Reflist}} |
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==Notes== |
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{{Reflist|group=note}} |
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==Additional pending topic: Land Bridge== |
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Article today in Strib about well-attended meeting to discuss it. Could be carefully added with continued developments (by me or someone else of course!). I added the article to the 'Further Reading' section so it's available. |
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[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 1:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC) Last Updated: [[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 1:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC) |
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==External links for discussion== |
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These don't belong on the main page I'm thinking (after further evaluation, prompted by the 'external links' tag) |
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If you disagree etc please mention! Otherwise, perhaps they can just stay here in case others find them useful. |
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Rondo related content (minor): |
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* [http://www.mnopedia.org/thing/western-appeal Appeal- MNopedia entry] |
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* [http://www.mnopedia.org/group/origins-naacp-minnesota-1912-1920 NAACP in Minnesota- MNopedia entry] |
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* [http://gfglaeve.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-lutheran-church-of-redeemer-and-old.html Glaeve Genealogy Blog: The Lutheran Church of the Redeemer and Old Rondo neighborhood] |
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Rondo related content (from small organization source): |
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* [http://www.aurorastanthony.org/rondo-neighborhood-history.html Rondo Neighborhood History - ASANDC] |
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Related Organizations: |
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* [http://spokesman-recorder.com/about/ Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder] |
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* [http://saintpaulhistorical.com/items/show/260 Hallie Q. Brown Historical Center] |
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Per these changes, am removing the tag on the main page. If any further actions are needed, please note that. Thanks! |
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[[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 12:25, February 11 2018 (UTC) Last Updated: [[User:ClarityKTMpls|ClarityKTMpls]] ([[User talk:ClarityKTMpls|talk]]) 12:35, February 11 2018 (UTC) |
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== Compensation to residents and business owners. == |
== Compensation to residents and business owners. == |
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Compensation to residents and business owners.
I am having a very difficult time sorcing what residents and business leaders were offered when construction was approved and imminent domain took effect. Several news stories indicating money to the residents was not enough but what compensation options were given to residents and the few who were forcibly removed were they given anything? This seems to be the most crucial question not even touched on in any detail. 104.169.248.125 (talk) 02:58, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that would be great to add, I imagine data is hard to find precisely because of the controversy around those payments. Hopefully someone will find a way to establish those facts and publish information about that part of Rondo History. ClarityKTMpls (talk) 21:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Land Bridge Content Added
I have removed the alert regarding that missing content, after adding an initial content set on the topic. ClarityKTMpls (talk) 21:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)