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Jeff Katz

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• Poorly written, but not sure if it would be notable if it was better. Just H^{editor review} 23:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy delete - copyvio. I've tagged it as such. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 03:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Actually, theres a very old version of the page that isn't a copyright violation and doesn't have any unverifiable information. I've reverted to the last version by Zotel. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 03:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• delete The old version has no evidence for n, besides that he's a radio announcer. DGG 00:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
• actually he's an award winning talk show host - leave it up!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.162.200.4 (talk • contribs).
• Comment - Please explain why it was taken down? Everything in there from gmss0205's second edit is factual, and can be verified on the WBT-AM Web site. There are other sites on Wikipedia that give biographical information on radio personalities, and those are not removed? Why was this one taken down? Is that someone was vandalizing the site with inaccurate information? Just curious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.105.195.2 (talk • contribs).

• I removed it because it was a WP:COPYVIO of this page. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 19:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Sailordude here: I have edited this page many times to reflect the facts contained on radio station WBT's own web site; I also KNOW Mr. Katz. I have spoken to him about the continual editing by the user of IP 67.102.230.77, who is apparently residing in San Francisco and has a grudge against Mr. Katz. I have made Mr. Katz himself aware of what is currently going on with this page, and I think that A) HE should ahve the last say as to what is contained on this page, and the page frozen, and B) the owner of 67.102.230.77 be penalized in some way, for what he is doing. I also have a strong hunch that user 208.66.31.54 and 67.102.230.77 are the same person. It appears that the IP begining with 67 is done from work, then he goes home where his Ip is the 208. Just an edjumacated hunch. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sailordude (talk • contribs).

• Comment I am the one (gmss0205) that posted that updated info about Jeff Katz from the WBT home page, that you are refering to as copyright infringement. I am friends with Jeff, and he approved the content. If you need to contact him, his email (which is public knowledge) is jeffkatz@wbt.com. He will verify that he approved the content. Let me know what else I can do to help. I don't want to create any false perceptions, or have you believe that the information was taken from WBT without their approval. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.105.195.2 (talk • contribs).

Hello, gmss0205, thank you for commenting on my talk page. Getting permission from Jeff isn't enough. To be included in Wikipedia, the material must be released under the GNU Free Documentation License which would be hard to do unless you can convince Jeff and WBT to do so. Also, that's besides the point. The point is that the material you're referring to isn't written in an encyclopedic tone anyways. All content must be in a neutral point of view and verifiable from reliable published sources which the WBT text doesn't quite achieve. You're not trying to copy very much material, so I'd suggest rewriting your own text from scratch. Let me know what you think. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 05:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Arichnad. Quick question. Do I go back and edit the main "Jeff Katz" page, or should I do the text elsewhere to show it to you first? Let me know what you think is best. I will also make sure that Jeff approves the text before I send it to you. Thanks for your help. - gmss0205 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.105.195.2 (talk) 14:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

No need to get Jeff's approval. Keep in mind, this is supposed to be an unbiased account of Jeff Katz. If Jeff "needs" to approve it, then it won't be very unbiased, will it? This article could potentially have true, sourced, verifiable content that Jeff wishes wasn't on Wikipedia. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 17:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Sailordude again: Once an accepted, legally acceptable entry is created, will this page be able to be frozen to the editing of the likes of 67.102.230.77? On the mention of Jeff Katz' information not being in an encylopedia, well, neither is Ray Taliaferro, who is another radio host, but resides on KGO 810 in San Francisco, yet there he is on Wikipedia as well! Thanks for the chance to input on this issue.

No, it won't be frozen from editing. The point of wikipedia is having community edited content. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 17:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I (gmss0205) made some edits and reposted a new version. Let me know if this version is acceptable. There is nothing "editorial" in there. It is all just factual information. I think Sailordude's point (which I agree with) is that is appears that someone out there is probably just going to vandalize this page again, once it is up. What can be done about that? Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.105.195.2 (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

Ok, this content was much less "editorial", as you call it; which is good. However, it doesn't cite any references (see reliable sources, citations, and attribution).

To answer your question about vandalism: you can remove vandalism and add warnings. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 21:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try to figure out the best way to cite reference. Not sure the best way to do that. Also, I honestly don't know how to add a vandalizism warning. Would you be able to help with that, as this page has obviously been the target of vandalism, and probably will be again in the future? Any help is appreciated (if you are allowed to do that). Thanks again - gmss0205

I can help you cite references. If you put them here or on the page, I'll help fit them into the style usually seen on wikipedia. As for the vandalism, I can help with that too assuming this page survives deletion. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 14:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

(Katz was a police officer? When? Reference? Katz has a wife? When did they marry? Reference? Katz has a child with special needs? What special needs? Reference?)

I'll forward the references and cites presently. The information was pulled from transcripts of his shows and the station records from his various places of employ. He worked with the Housing Authority in Philadelphia as a police officer, so we can submit his employee records as well. As far as special needs go, his daughter is retarded - this is cited in his show transcripts. Are the medical records/insurance claims necessary? Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.102.230.77 (talk • contribs).

I think whoever did the last comment is the person vandalizing the site. Come on, do not put personal attacks in here. Statements regarding his children? That is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. Grow up. -- gmss0205 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.105.195.2 (talk • contribs).

What am I missing - there was a personal attack in that last statement? I have only stated factual and unbiased information. He is a former police officer, he is married, he has children, his daughter has special needs (she is retarded), he left his last job due to poor ratings. All of this information (apart from his departure from his last job) has been discussed by him on the radio. How can this be considered to be an attack? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.102.230.77 (talk • contribs).

Calling a child "retarded" is uncalled for. You know that. What are you, 12 years old? Show me your information that he left his last job due to "poor ratings." Did you see the article in the Charlotte Observer this past Saturday that discussed how well he is doing in the ratings at WBT? Bet you missed that one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.105.195.2 (talk • contribs).

jeff did not leave sf due to low ratings...his ratings were second only to michael savage...look it up —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.162.200.4 (talk • contribs).

There was a question as to what defined "special needs". As such, I explained what was meant by that terminology. It is not a diagnosis nor is it meant to be hurtful wording merely a statement of fact and used as a description. His ratings in San Francisco were something less than stellar and there is no denying that. The fact that he was dropped as a fill-in host speaks to that. His audience at WBT has been steadily dropping - particularly in light of the attempts that have been made at cross-promoting him. I have seen the articles but I've also seen the facts and figures. I'm not sure why you have felt it necessary to blow this entire issue out of proportion. My entries have never been about any sort of personal attack - I have simply been trying to present the facts in the most accurate and concise manner possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.102.230.77 (talk • contribs).

Guy's, please sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end of your comment. Also, these discussions about the content of the article should probably go on the Jeff Katz talk page. This discussion is used for talking about whether the Jeff Katz page should be delete or not. Since there are no independent references to reliable/reputable sources listed on the main page, it might get deleted. To prevent the article from getting deleted, please focus your attention on citing your references. If you put references on the main article page, I'll make sure they're in the right format. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 02:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You are right. The "debate" should be taken to the Talk page. References have been added. Thanks for your help - gmss0205