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:: I have just rephrased the sentence in my first edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=113793076&oldid=113767254]. The part I have removed in my second edit is just the repetition of same sentence[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=next&oldid=113793076].. It mentions the congress campaign twice under criticism section. [[User:Freedom skies]] has reverted my edit and now again it is mentioned twice.. Please check before doing reverts. --[[User:Fear the Fire|Fear the Fire]]
:: I have just rephrased the sentence in my first edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=113793076&oldid=113767254]. The part I have removed in my second edit is just the repetition of same sentence[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Development_Front&diff=next&oldid=113793076].. It mentions the congress campaign twice under criticism section. [[User:Freedom skies]] has reverted my edit and now again it is mentioned twice.. Please check before doing reverts. --[[User:Fear the Fire|Fear the Fire]]
::: removed the repetition again. Congress campaign is still mentioned, so please dont revert --[[User:Fear the Fire|Fear the Fire]] 12:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Revision as of 12:22, 9 March 2007

This document is trying to be hijacked by two opposing views. I think it is better to have a session about what is NDF by the "NDF people" and What critics says about by its "critics". The information in WIKI should be neutral to the readers for its own neutrality. It is not a place for war. The issue on Marad is controversial. It is true that Five brothors have brutally killed in Marad-2, but it should be read with that in Marad-1, on which the opposite also lost their life. If something happens(Prays not to happen) in future then we shouldn't treat it as a seperate one. We should keep all in a sequense and treat it together to bring the culprits to account and bring the society to harmony before the Marad-1. Let the views talk each other and indian democracy is powerful enough to give the opposing views have its own importance. Let wiki be neutral.

by anonymous


I've rewritten the article today, keeping closely to what has been published by reliable sources and focusing it on the National Democratic Front. There is also a redirect here from National Development Front at the moment, but that is not substantiated by the sources I've seen. --Mereda 15:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from User:Mereda talk page -

The Rss/BJP/Muslim league were not involved in the Marad massacre, it was the NDF and later the Araya Samajam. The terrorists massacred five Hindus at the beach, the police killed one terrorist in crossfire, the terrorists hid inside a mosque. When the police tried to get them, a mob of the terrorists wives surrounded the Mosque, barring entry.The police later found bombs, and swords there. By then, the Araya Samajam and VHP had evicted all terrorists from the area, and as of now, I dont think the terrorists have been able to return, even with pleas from the Communist party.Bakaman 17:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sabrang

Its an unreliable partisan org and their page reads like SIMI propaganda.Bakaman 00:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All organizations, newspapers and publications are in some way partisan. If you think [1] is SIMI propaganda, well then the definition of 'SIMI propaganda' is stretched as widely that virtually any written text can fall under that definition.
The problem is not that a source can be politically tilted. The question to maintain a NPOV outlook is to be able to weed out POV formulations in sources to write an NPOV encyclopediatic tone in an wiki article. It would not be ok to write the article on BJP relying only/mainly on Congress sources, and neither should the article on Congress be based on RSS/BJP-affiliated websites. That I cannot understand in this case, is why you find it objectionable to mention that NDF is in conflict not only with the Hindu groups but also with the majority of the Muslim community in Kerala? The only explanation I could come up with is that it spoils your own communal agenda of picturing all local political conflicts in India as parts of greater epic battle between Hindus and non-Hindus. --Soman 15:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well its obvious the NDF is in conflict with Muslims in Kerala. The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorist maniacs. Sabrang is not a reliable source, its partisan.Thats why I only used mainstream sources for the article. I myself quoted the CBI report but I think it hurt you to see fellow anti-Hindus getting smacked by the rule of law. I dont find it objectionable to show the NDF is in conflict with local Muslims (after all Kerala is home to four groups: Christians, Muslims, communists, and Hindus). My communal agenda? I'm sorry that I cant be an apologist for the genocide of innocent fishermen and have to call a terrorist a terrorist. Perhaps you didnt realize Hindus and Muslims are not "classes" and that Terrorists are no proletariat.Bakaman 17:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You seriously need to study Marxist concepts of class, before making half-baked analogies. --Soman 18:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Epic battles between Hindu and non-Hindus"? "Communal agenda"? Oh no, Sonia Gandhi maine maaf karo.Bakaman 18:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
battle, not battles. There is a difference in meaning. --Soman 18:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no organisation named National Democratic Front in Kerala. i think the user had given partisan data and is not relevent. No government or any enquiry commmison reported NDF worked behind Marrad massacre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sm ashiq (talkcontribs)

If that's true, then why did you create the article? [2] --Sigma 7 08:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move

If you read the Malayalam text on Image:Kerala2006_(18).JPG, the name of the organization is actually National Development Front. --Soman 15:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support - correct name.Bakaman 17:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no organisation named National Democratic Front in Kerala. It is National Development Front. Please move to the later.

I've completed the page move. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 18:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

some points

  • Terrorism, is a word to avoid. The NDFFare undoubtably involved in political and communal killings, but that is not the same as being a terrorist in its encyclopediatic definition. See similar arguments about Shiv Sena at List of terrorist organizations.
  • ISI connections? Needs to be backed up by other quotes than from politicians. The standard explanation that all evil is a foreign import is mainstay in Indian politics, and accusations of ISI links to quite widely distributed. (Likewise allegations of RAW connections in Bangladesh).
  • Role in Muslim communal politics in the state? See for example [3]
  • Regarding political alliance building, [4].

--Soman 18:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Similar arguments? Especially because you were the only person making the argument. They were implicated in the massacre of Hindus, and in rampant assassinations of their political enemies.Bakaman 18:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--Sundaram7 06:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear editors, please see the edited pages in this articles. May be you are not aware of this organisation in deep. I have gathered the information from reliable medias and sources. NDF is accused of terrorism and killing innocents. But it is not in the agenda of NDF. It work for freedom and human rights of common people in the country. See its website in the references.Sundaram7 06:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try to be neutral and non-biased for this article

I have seen two parties making arguments and counter arguments on putting artcles on NDF. I am not going to argue too much on what is ndf and what is not. But it is not fair to put only what they are not or what they are accused for.

As there were a lot of discussion on Murders and killings before, I am not getting into the topic. CPM and RSS everyday fights in kannur and blood is spilled all over kerala due to political killings and revenges. Sometimes these parties tries to accuse other smaller organisations for these nonsense. They use media and power to accuse the parties like NDF to escape from the responsibilites.

When you read NDF's publications and watch its activities closely, you will understand one thing: it is against the social evils and it stand srongly like killing of innocents especially by buerocrats and fascists.

It is quite strnge to see in the articles on robbery and murders in NDF's name. This arguments need to be removed.

Living in kerala, I have seen ISS and NDF. They are different. NDF is not a violant organisation ISS and it is not a organisation to fight RSS. As they claims their aim is the empowerment of musim mass and other backward people. We can say they are communal, but they are not a terrorist and extremist organisaiton. Ganeshco 13:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes iss a terrorist org headed by Abdul Nazir Madani. What you define ISS/NDF as is irrelevant, as NDF activists were directly implicated in the massacre of Hindus.`Bakaman 21:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Editors, Baka , Soman, sundaram7, please dont play with this topic. When ISS is dispersed, Madani had started his PDP and his followers started working in it. NDF has links to PDP and ISS. Anand has put his openion in his paper and it is his own imagination. He didnt give any evidences for this linkage. Is there any leaders of ISS in NDF? no. I am seeing for the first time those kind of arguments. Also looting and robbery?? Keralites have never heard of these arguments against NDF!! Please don't put imaginary information into this topic. It should be 100% non-biased and neutral, pls. NDF is not against hindus! NDF is working for all nationalities of Indians. Ganeshco 04:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The NDF can lie all they want. The reports implicated them in the massacre of Hindus. If you look at al-Qaeda you will note that al-Qaeda is not used to source itself, neither should NDF.Bakaman 04:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,BAKA, your are just putting the old version again back!! Please respect the other editors in the topic. They are also trying to contribute to WIKI. If this continues, I may have to notify the administrators. Pls don’t compare the international terrorist organization with NDF, which is a organization work for democratic empowerment of Indian citizen. Sundaram7 06:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Look it was started by madani. The only newsworthy news about NDF is their massacres of Hindus. You know Hindus are Indian citizens too.Bakaman 21:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Give some credible evidences , not your blind statements like the above. Dont put the edited articles back and put your ugly old version. As you can see in the media, NDF is not a illegal organisation. It is being working in Kerala for 16+ years. If it is a organisation agaist the people and democracy, govt might have banned it. But the reality is that we can see it gaining more popularity among keralite.
NDF is not connected to Madani. NDF doesn't refer to his thoughts in any of their activities. NDF, as the name reflects, stands for the total empowerment of nation. It is quite foolish to argue that by killing a group of people we can achive something in the nation. It is a fascist thought and NDF is 100% against the thoughts. Ganeshco 05:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please dont put back the old versions again. Please dont remove the hard work of other editors. Sundaram7 09:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ISS

Note that Vinod Kumar's article doesn't mention the causes behind the banning of ISS. --Soman 14:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute On this Article

Editors of this article: please don't do unprofessional disputes flipping the pages with each other. Please follow wikipedia's policies to change the pages. If you have arguments and counter arguments, please discuss it first and then modify. Please dont put immotional statements and arguments in the text. Please feel positive and try to resolve this dispute.-- Sundaram7 06:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have semiprotected the article. I have never heard of the group, but if WP is going to call it "militant Islamist", we'd need a good reference for that, especially since the epitet seems to be disputed. The reference quoted in support of "The organization is one of the organizations that took over the political vacuum when the Islamic Sevak Sangh (ISS) of Abdul Nasser Madani was banned in 1993" is mentioning NDF in a single sentence, saying "newly-formed groups like the National Democratic Front (NDF) have emerged as stronger alternatives to ISS and SIMI and have allegedly masterminded communal violence in recent years". That is, the source is not itself alleging anything, but it can be quoted as a reference that there are allegations to the effect that the group is involved in communal violence. Keep everything closely sourced and stop the edit-warring. dab (𒁳) 12:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I think the article is quite balanced right now.Bakaman 17:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
glad to hear it, maybe you can ask Freedom skies to cut the revert-warring. They may well be a "militant Islamist" group, I wouldn't know, but before we're not going to state that as a fact if it is disputed. As it is, we don't even have a source that calls them "militant Islamist". One article calls them as "shadowy outfit", and I don't doubt they are. But usually, you can tell a group is "militant Islamist" because they tell you they are, waving rifles and shouting a lot. A group that does not self-identify as militant Islamist shouldn't be so called lightly, certainly not on WP. dab (𒁳) 11:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Other than the unsourced allegations of "militant Islamism", the article defines the general mainstream view on NDF, they shot into prominence after massacring a bunch of Hindus on a beach in 2002, and are known for using death squads for killing their opponents. The BJP alleged they have links to the ISI.Bakaman 16:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

as far as I can see, a connection between the NDF and this "massacre" is also a matter of "allegation". We can certainly say the BJP thinks they are involved, and they may be involved for all I know, but we won't be able to just take BJP's word for it, we'd need a court decision at the very least. dab (𒁳) 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dab you are incorrect, NDF activists were directly implicated in the massacre. The BJP alleged NDF was connected to the ISI. See "it was the NDF and IUML, which planned and implemented the massacre in Marad", and a cursory look at the CBI sheet.Bakaman 04:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
quoth thehindu.com. the references you removed said otherwise. Bakaman, I know you are biased, but even you must recognize that you cannot use thehindu.com as a neutral or authoritative source. As I said, it may be true for all I know, but the point is that not all sources agree on it, and no court decision has been shown to exist so far. dab (𒁳) 10:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Hindu is a mainstream newspaper. I have no need to quote "hindunet", "hindu unity", the RSS and other orgs closer to my POV when mainstream media has a dark view on the NDF.It seems you are unaware of what is mainstream in India."Hindu" in this case is in the context of Hindustan, not "Hindu dharma".Bakaman 23:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OTOH, dalitvoice, human rights kerala, and etc, are fringe and partisan mouthpieces. I might as well quote LeT on this org if anti-Semitic papers are the only things praising the NDF.Bakaman 23:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article must be rewritten

I am a new user of wiki. I am a person from kerala now based in bangalore. As per my knowladge and as per the public opinion NDF is an organization that is patriotic and that strives for the devolopment of our coutry. Whatever allegations put here are just the other side of the media and the fascist criminals just because a majority of people behind the organization are muslims. Please try to be neutral and please save wiki from the rise of islamophobia.

This article should be corrected.

I suggest that http://www.ndfindia.com/ which is their official site should be put in External links. And that is a must!!

Please go through the site and verify the facts, especially in the news section. The kind of activities the organization is involved shows their true nature. Those facts can be verified.

It is shame full that editors in wiki are also trapped by the fascists criminals. -- wrongNot Feb20 2007


Article was being modified in the right direction by User:Dbachmann and now the user Bakaman is creating trouble. Please discuss the issue which you are having and lets resolve it before updating.


The user will have to explain why he deleted few facts which were laid by along with references and added new informations which are just an accusation by the largest communal parties.


why did this user remove the below information added by User:Dbachmann

"A killing of 8 Hindus in Bepur known as the "Marad massacre". NDF has condemned the incident and rejects all allegations of involvement, [1][2]. and welcomed the CBI inquiry which did not investigate NDF involvement[3][4]. "

I can see that this user Bakaman have active roles in the articles on Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and VHP, groups that is trying to eliminate mulims from india and make india a hindu nation. (See the banner on the site RSS.org). Vast majority of Hindus as well as the political parties are strongly against the activities of these groups. -- wrongNot Feb22 2007

Wrong not 06:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC) [reply]

look, Bakaman is partisan in this, and so are you. You have to both recognize this and sit down to carve out a neutral presentation of all views. And do go easy on the red font please. dab (𒁳) 10:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC) [reply]

allegations must not be put as facts

Those who wish to criticize the organization may do in the criticism section..

59.160.207.14 07:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

dont remove the facts which are laid with reference (discussion before any such act)

most of the neutral contributions by User:Dbachmann were removed by User:Bakasuprman without any discussion here. Since the changes made by User:Bakasuprman had new informations too, i didn't revert the whole thing back to User:Dbachmann version, instead added the removed content back once again in the appropriate places Pens withdrawn 12:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Bakasuprman, please try to undertand and accept that NDF is not an islamist group. --- Pens withdrawn 07:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will once NDF brings the 8 Hindus massacred in Marad back from the dead. They are a ragtag group of pseudo-human right militants, who claim to be working for the upliftment of Muslims.Bakaman 23:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)::[reply]
was it proved that NDF did it.. why hate the organization cos majority are muslims... based on BJP/RSS/VHP leaders allegations, why do u need to believe that NDF did it????? did any court say that? NDF has welcomed CBI enquiry, did u know tat?
if u want to accuse them, just put it in criticism section. if people start fighting like this, it can be in both directions, muslims may start troubling the articles related to RSS, VHP etc, again it will be going worse.. Wrong not 04:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have cleaned-up the allegation part as suggested by user:Pens withdrawn. The original version is found more meaningful. So I reverted some sentences.Sundaram7 07:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Allegations against NDF are not just made by BJP, Congress Party (vehemently anti-BJP and very popular among moderate Muslims) and CPI(M) have also labelled NDF as a terrorist front. Lionheart5 23:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong not, your empty threats of bringing muslims starting to "trouble articles" merely proves you are here for some agenda. In that case view WP:POINT and WP:NOT. Unlike you I am not affiliated to any political party. Its no secret I am sympathetic to Hindu nationalism but I dont need RSS to claim things when the chargesheet directly implicated this group. NDF seems to be reviled all over as a communal organization, outside a few districts in Kerala effectively controlled by the ISI.Bakaman 23:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the alteration done by User:Lionheart5 on 14:36, 26 February 2007 on this article by just mentioning in the comment as rv POv pushing, is not acceptable. How can anyone change the entire article like that in one stretch without any discussion. --Pens withdrawn 06:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Might help if you actually read up on some wikipedia policies.Calling members of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) "fascist" is just plain delusional, and addressing exposers of the terrorist mass-murderers of the NDF as "fascist" (directed, presumably at David Bukay) is a violation of WP:LIVING and can be removed by anybody at any time with prejudice. Lionheart5 06:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
we have already discussed in my talk page where I told you that I didn't want to revert the entire article and discard all of your changes. I was about to make the changes you have done in its original structure. As a first step I reverted it to previous version which was the continuation of the version created by the administrator User:Dbachmann. Until the edits of User:Sundaram7 on 10:03, 26 February 2007, The article was moving in the right direction. What ever alterations you have done on 14:36, 26 February 2007 on the article (by just mentioning in the comment as rv POv pushing) should be re examined and edited once again. -- Pens withdrawn 07:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sundaram's edits were just part of the problem. There were removals of relevant text in criticisms.My suggestion is, why don't you place your edits in the talk page first and let everybody see them "before" you put them into the article? Another idea that you should do is to invite commentary from other uninvolved users through Wikipedia:Request for comments.Then we can see what many other people say. Lionheart5 07:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The editors other than me, user:Pens withdrawn and user:Dbachmann are trying to put back the old arguments to the article. user:Lionheart5 looked like a new user, but he is trying to brings the old arguments to the article which the administers have cleared. He is trying to bring the Vinod Kumars article , Ahamkaaris, Bukay, David book again. They are not good for Verifiability. This is being discussed a lot before and dont drag it again. Sundaram7 09:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that any sane editor would want to keep insipid nonsense about "fascist" persons in the CPM or WP:BLP violations against people (which is totally verboten here). Plus, all cited works satisfy WP:V. I hope that you are sane enough to have actually read the policy page. If not, then conversing with you is a waste of time.
Follow my suggestions above and file a request for comments instead of wasting people's time with terrorist propaganda. Lionheart5 09:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marad riots

User User:Lionheart5 added the following text under criticism section.

"The Central Bureau of Investigation report found that "activists of IUML and NDF, a Muslim outfit, were actively involved in the massacre"

He was trying to twist the fact. As per the reference he has put, it is stated that

Thomas P Joseph Commission report, tabled in the assembly , found that "activists of IUML and NDF, a Muslim outfit, were actively involved in the massacre" of nine persons, including eight Hindus, at Marad beach in Kozhikode on May 2, 2003. And they have asked for a CBI enquiry. (reference - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2032620.cms ) Both IUML and NDF has welcomed CBI enquiry.

Whereas "The Hindu" states that

The Commission, in its findings, described how a minor incident on the Marad beach during the New Year celebrations on December 31, 2001 had turned into a riot on January 4, 2002 "due to the intervention of the CPI(M), Indian Union Muslim League (IUML) and BJP/RSS activists. This was the first of the riots and it led to the death of five persons belonging to two communities. (reference - http://www.hindu.com/2006/09/28/stories/2006092804310700.htm)

User:Lionheart5 is a new user and he is here to create trouble... He has also removed all the major sections created by administrator User:Dbachmann ----Pens withdrawn 12:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ironic, since the moniker is true more for you than anyone else here,a sockpuppeteer troll with an Islamist agenda of hate. Stop violating WP:LEAD and WP:NPOV and keep your propaganda in your morning morchas please. Wikipedia is not the place for NDF fancruft. We want to build a neutral encyclopedia. Lionheart5 13:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Every one knows who is spreading hate here. -- Pens withdrawn 13:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
NDF had condemned this cruel incident. Read what NDF had said on this incident("The Hindu" report - http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/01/16/stories/2002011603360300.htm )
Please see the result of CBI enquiry published on "The Hindu"- http://www.hindu.com/2004/09/03/stories/2004090309320400.htm --- Pens withdrawn 13:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I do not see anything in "The Hindu" article that says that CBI exonerated NDF of terrorism. Of course, you are right that NDF "condemns" this incident publicly. Osama bin-Laden also "condemned" 9/11 at first. Nevertheless, I have kept it in the article that NDF denies involvement in marad massacre so that should satisfy you. Lionheart5 13:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The NDF betays itself on it's website as an Islamist group with their hysterical accusations of "Fascist Hindus are everywhere and them vaarmint are all out to git us" paranoia. Yes, it is indeed clear who's the one spreading hatred (NDF wallahs). Lionheart5


what the hell are you saying??? where is the CBI report which accusses NDF?????? and why did you put that again. What User:pens withdrawn said was true. It is clearly mentioned in the reference you have put, that Thomas P Joseph Commission report accused NDF.If you what to say that CBI have accused NDF, show the reference. CBI has enquired the case and has given the report on it. What ever changes Pens withdrawn has made is right and he made it clear in the above discussion. RSS is the real accuse as per the Hindu report, which can also be mentioned, they started the riot and few local muslims revolted naturally. Did any muslim mention that in this articlewhen we have clear reference from Hindu News. And what you guys do is twist the facts and blame NDF. You guys are spreading hatred and you are blamming muslims. Are Muslims creating trouble in the article of RSS??? I dont see that. Are you gone mad????? Whats is wrong with you? I have read your discussion with Penswithdrawn in his talk page User_talk:pens withdrawn. You are afraid of NDF right. Let them defend their rights yaar.. And if you are against Islam as a whole, we muslims dont have any problem. Allah is sufficient for us. You are also among those unfortunate ones who is under the trap of conspiracies against Islam.. Islam is for peace. But Islam also asks us to defend ourself. If the RSS/VHP destroys mulims in India and dream about a Hindu nations, Understand that we dont need any banner of any oranization to fight against those ___..
Bakaman is trying to add the same text again. If CBI has reported NDF involvement, please provide the reference -- Fear the Fire 10:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please give the reference when you add that info again. --- Fear the Fire 03:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If that fact is true, it must be there in the article. But you should have at least one reference which clearly says that NDF was involved in the incident. Unless you don't give any reference, it is just a POV. If the CBI has actually reported NDF's involvement, it wont be hard to find a reference. Whatever reference you are putting against that fact clearly states that it is Thomas P Joseph Commission report which found IUML and NDF involvement. It is not mentioned anywhere that CBI reported the same. (Please read these two references http://www.hindu.com/2006/09/28/stories/2006092804310700.htm / http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2032620.cms) -- Fear the Fire 04:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism

There are few relavant points in this section, which we need to review and expand further. But the real fact is missing. For example in the article "between hope and fear" in hinduonline, there is no mentioning about the 2002 massacre. But there is a quoting in the article which ways In Marad, RSS activists who are guilty of the crimes committed during the 2002 incident are roaming around freely[5]. Now it is confusing. I have removed some POVs as cited by Baka, Soman and Pens Withdrawn. They are dicussed in the above sections. We need to continue the positive discussion to clean up this article.---- Sundaram7 14:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a quote from the head of the terrorist group himself accusing the RSS of terrorism. Don't take things out of context.Bakaman 18:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Congress campaigns against terrorism


As per User:Freedom skies "Congress launched a campaign against terrorism in Malappuram district in Kerala, labeling NDF as an organization that promotes Islamic terrorism" [6]

Congress "We cannot close our eyes on extremist elements and activities." (edit summery comment by User:Freedom skies)[7]

where is islamic terrorism in that reference?? Did anywhere in the reference is it mentioned Islamic terrorism??? its therefore POV. Or else give appropriate reference.

User:Freedom skies is trying to twist the fact. The sentence he framed in the article means like congress launched the campaign to check islamic terrorism by NDF. whereas the reference he gave clearly says "The Congress on Tuesday launched a campaign against terrorism in Malappuram district, simultaneously taking on parties and organisations such as the Indian Union Muslim League (IUML), the Communist Party of India (Marxist), the National Development Front (NDF), the People's Democratic Party (PDP) and the Jama'at-e-Islami and its subsidiary Solidarity Youth Movement". CPI M involved in Islamic terrorism?? --Fear the Fire 11:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I have just rephrased the sentence in my first edit [8]. The part I have removed in my second edit is just the repetition of same sentence[9].. It mentions the congress campaign twice under criticism section. User:Freedom skies has reverted my edit and now again it is mentioned twice.. Please check before doing reverts. --Fear the Fire
removed the repetition again. Congress campaign is still mentioned, so please dont revert --Fear the Fire 12:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ NDF is accused in Marad massacre [10]
  2. ^ NDF denies accusition in Marad massacre [11]
  3. ^ NDF welcomes CBI Prbe[12]
  4. ^ NDF's Involvement in Marad massacre[13]