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==Archive== |
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I archived the old conversations. --[[User:Ephilei|Ephilei]] 16:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== Article Rename == |
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Paul is never called "Paul of Tarsus" in the New Testament, other non-cannonical documents, or the contemporary [[Christian Church]] and only rarely in academic circles. This causes confusion to the many readers ignorant of the minor location, Tarsus. I propose moving to either |
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*[[Paul the Apostle]] or [[The Apostle Paul]] Google count [http://www.google.com/search?btnG=Google+Search&q=%22Paul+the+Apostle 400,000] + [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Apostle+Paul%22&btnG=Search 1,200,000]= 1,600,000 |
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*[[Saint Paul]] (and move the current saint disambiguation to [[Saint Paul (disambiguation)]]) Google count [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Saint+Paul&btnG=Search 3,200,000] |
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"Paul of Tarsus" has only [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Paul+of+Tarsus&btnG=Search 100,000] Google hits. These titles follow Christian tradition, contemporary Christianity, academia, and many Christians. Only the over simple term "Paul" is more common. Both "saint" and "apostle" are NPOV titles that do not mean inherent ordination by God, unlike "prophet" or "messiah". They signal the approval of Christianity. There is a long precedent of using this on Wikipedia. Compare the 12 apostles of the Gospels: |
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* [[John the Apostle]] |
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* [[Philip the Apostle]] |
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* [[Bartholomew the Apostle]] |
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* [[Thomas the Apostle]] |
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* [[Saint Andrew]] |
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* [[Saint Peter]] (also called Simon) |
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* [[Simon the Zealot]] |
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* [[James, son of Alphaeus]] |
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* [[James, son of Zebedee]] |
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* [[Matthew the Evangelist]] (also called Judas) |
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* [[Judas Iscariot]] |
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The only exceptions are all people who share names with other apostles (James, Judas, Simon). All them are called by these names in the New Testament (except Matthew). Paul neither shares a name nor is named anything other than Paul (except "Saul", the Hebrew to Greek transliteration of "Paul"). Note that he is already called "Apostle Paul" on the Christianity tag on this article. Do you prefer '''Paul of Tarsus''', '''Saint Paul''', '''Apostle Paul''', '''Paul the Apostle''' or '''Saint Paul the Apostle'''? |
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--[[User:Ephilei|Ephilei]] 15:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Paul the Apostle''' or '''Saint Paul''' Just to get it started. Saint is more popular historically, but using Apostle is more consistent and doesn't need disambiguation. Comes out even. --[[User:Ephilei|Ephilei]] 15:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC) |
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:There are several St. Paul's - St. Paul of Contantinople, St. Paul of the Cross etc. but otherwisde schoolls and cities are named after the apostle. I would go for 'St. Paul the Apostle'. [[User:Roger Arguile|Roger Arguile]] 16:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC) |
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::Yes, I like '''Saint Paul the Apostle''' most of all! --[[User:Ephilei|Ephilei]] 20:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC) |
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