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-== Peaceful solution ==
-I am appealing to the Vic226 and others involved that this must stop. This constant warring is destroying these articles. Jerry has been mass de-sinicizing all instances of Republic of China. The fact of the matter is that the Republic of China is still in existence and Taiwan is not independent of the Republic of China. We must follow the facts and peacefully discuss this issue. I am willing to discuss cooperatively and peacefully with you guys about this. I feel that this problem has gone too long. We need to cease this silly fighting. We should break from any extremist views and compromise. Look at jerry, he deletes Republic of China from both the National Palace Museum and Taipei 101. What is the use of that? He did not discuss. He just changed it without any consensus. Put aside any pro-dpp sentiment that you might have Vic226 and please listen to reason. I am just trying to help. I would like to sit down and discuss with you guys about this. Only through discussion can we achieve a solution. I am not using sockpuppets in order to falsely show that I have support. I am making another account because jerry keeps begging the admins to have me banned. clearly he does not know how to discuss. all he does is want to ban me. you will never get anything done if u just do that. think about it. [[User:Alex678|Alex678]] 06:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
-<blockquote>"I am appealing to the Vic226 and others involved that this must stop. This constant warring is destroying these articles... I feel that this problem has gone too long."</blockquote>
-:I'm actually surprised that you would ever want this to stop. Speak for yourself.
-<blockquote>"Jerry has been mass de-sinicizing all instances of Republic of China... Look at jerry, he deletes Republic of China from both the National Palace Museum and Taipei 101. What is the use of that? He did not discuss. He just changed it without any consensus... I am making another account because jerry keeps begging the admins to have me banned. clearly he does not know how to discuss. all he does is want to ban me."</blockquote>
-:You have just violated again the... what are the policies again? Aren't they [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:ABF]]? So far I could only see you making threats to get him (and me for reinstating your sockpuppet status) banned. You have also previously threatened to file an RFC report against him. '''Comment on the content, not the contributor.''' Is this principle that hard to follow? By the way, since you are often identified using sockpuppets, most of his reverts against you are justified anyway. He may have been "begging" as you said (as I could remember, once and just recently), but not without proof (confirmed RFCU report).
-<blockquote>"The fact of the matter is that the Republic of China is still in existence and Taiwan is not independent of the Republic of China... Put aside any pro-dpp sentiment that you might have Vic226 and please listen to reason."</blockquote>
-:Tell you what, I don't care a garlic's skin about the political status of Taiwan. I could, however, identify three stands that has been presented before: 1) Use the de-facto naming methods and apply them to all cases (which is your stand); 2) Use the common names used by the general public; and 3) Discuss, either in individual talk pages or as a whole in [[Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)]], to reach a consensus for individual or all Taiwan-related articles, respectively ([[User:Ideogram|Ideogram]]). Keep in mind that the current Naming conventions guideline is POV-disputed (''heavily'') and cannot be strictly followed. To say that I have no stand about this issue, I am more leaning toward the last method of discussion. Both you and Jerrypp772000 argue against each others' standpoints; while he suggests common names for better clarification of official names (that few people would know about), you refute it since common names and official names are not synonymous by fact.
-<blockquote>"We must follow the facts and peacefully discuss this issue. I am willing to discuss cooperatively and peacefully with you guys about this... We need to cease this silly fighting. We should break from any extremist views and compromise... I am just trying to help. I would like to sit down and discuss with you guys about this. Only through discussion can we achieve a solution."
-</blockquote>
-:Well, why don't you do it first then? Yes, you did, but never to the point of reaching a consensus with anyone. I keep finding you leaving a discussion abruptly after a particular new point was made by the opposing side. I'm seeing that Jerrypp772000 has more support from other editors on his opinion, but not yours. Besides the reverts between you two, your edits were reverted more times than Jerrypp772000's. Again, you are '''120% NOT helping''' as you have claimed above if you keep edit warring (again, you are the one who should sit down and discuss as Jerrypp772000's view is more accepted by others than yours is), creating more sockpuppets and commenting on other contributors instead of the content (why did I just repeat that again?).
-<blockquote>"I am not using sockpuppets in order to falsely show that I have support."</blockquote>
-:Who cares? The moment you created them after you were blocked, you have already violated both [[WP:SOCK]] and subsequently [[WP:POINT]] as you continue to make edits without consensus (AGAIN, Jerrypp772000's view gains more consensus than yours do), no matter what your true motives are.
-<blockquote>"you will never get anything done if u just do that. think about it."</blockquote>
-:Who is "you"? Again, speak for yourself.
-:I suggest you to just be quiet until your main account's block expires. In the meantime, you can discuss with others about the issue, but best use your main account to discuss as nobody would want to deal with multiple sockpuppets from the same person. Be advised; things can get even worse for you.
-:No, the last sentence above is not a threat; it is a fact. You are seriously [[WP:LTA|jeopardizing your status in Wikipedia]]. [[User:Vic226|<span style="background:#008"><font size="4" color="#ffffff" face="Vivaldi">Vic</font></span>]]<sub><i>[[User talk:Vic226|226]]</i></sub> 07:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
-== Request for Arbitration ==
-I'm sorry, but this has gone too far to the degree where intervention with strict scrutiny is necessary. As a result, I have filed a [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Nationalist|Request for arbitration]] against you as a third person (since I'm barely involved in political issues this past month). As one of the involving parties, you are free to post your own statements there. You are also free to remove this notification as you always do by blanking your talk page. [[User:Vic226|<span style="background:#008"><font size="4" color="#ffffff" face="Vivaldi">Vic</font></span>]]<sub><i>[[User talk:Vic226|226]]</i></sub> 09:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)