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AfD discussion focused on notability and ignored that the page is supported by 0 independent sources. Furthermore, significant contributions were made to the page by a since banned COI editor. Though sufficiently notable, the page should be deleted per [[WP:TNT]] in my opinion. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:IOHANNVSVERVS|IOHANNVSVERVS]] ([[User talk:IOHANNVSVERVS#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IOHANNVSVERVS|contribs]]) </small> |
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I am the person who originally created the article, as I am a student of Master Shi Xing Mi and work in media, and I also edited it with over 20 sources following the notice of deletion. |
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*'''Endorse'''. Other than the appellant, who was the AfD's nom, views were unanimous to keep, and it was obviously closed as such. Yes, participants focused on the subject's notability, exactly as they should. Source independence ''was'' addressed in the AfD by {{u|SportingFlyer}}. I'd like to remind the appellant that per [[WP:NEXIST]], notability is determined by the ''existence'' of sources, not by the state of sourcing in the article. Also, we don't delete an article just because a banned COI editor contributed to it. The WP:TNT essay is not a deletion policy. If you have trouble creating a new version of the article while the old one is in place, go edit the new version in draftspace or offline. I think the appellant is being disingenuous about the "starting over" part of WP:TNT, as they clearly have no intention of improving the article, and are only interested in removing it. [[User:OwenX|Owen×]] [[User talk:OwenX|<big>☎</big>]] 11:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*:If I'm allowed to reply here: I personally have no intention of recreating the page if it was deleted, but other editors would have the opportunity to do so. I considered trying to improve the article instead of requesting its deletion but I didn't have enough interest to do so. If this deletion request fails then I will find RS and I'll reduce the article, probably to a stub, with information only taken from whatever one or two RS I can find. Would that be the best way forward in your opinion? Also, I don't understand how an article can be allowed to exist with no reliable sources. <s>or are the Yitzhak Reiter sources considered valid RS for this article even though they lack independence?</s> Thank you, [[User:IOHANNVSVERVS|IOHANNVSVERVS]] ([[User talk:IOHANNVSVERVS|talk]]) 11:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Master Shi Xing Mi has hundreds of international sources, from prestigious publications such as Forbes and NYP, to government institutions and large international corporations. He is the most quoted and published Shaolin Master globally, with 4 books published by the likes of Random House and Mondadori, as well as the Co-Founder of two international wellness and fitness companies with hundreds of employees. |
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*:Also, I believe I've misunderstood [[WP:TNT]] and clearly I am rather ignorant of AfD policies. If this is an obvious keep then you can consider my nomination for review to be withdrawn. [[User:IOHANNVSVERVS|IOHANNVSVERVS]] ([[User talk:IOHANNVSVERVS|talk]]) 11:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC) ''Amended'' 11:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*::{{re|IOHANNVSVERVS}} [[WP:TNT]] is very, very rarely used to completely delete a page. Usually it means the subject is notable, but the content on the page needs to be completely rewritten. I think it's close to the case here, so I wouldn't be afraid to cull anything that wasn't written neutrally. I'd close this as withdrawn as well, but I participated in the AfD. [[User:SportingFlyer|SportingFlyer]] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">[[User talk:SportingFlyer|T]]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">[[Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer|C]]</span>'' 12:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Despite providing over 20 such sources in the Wikipedia article, as well as hundreds more being available to anyone with just a single Google search, a Wikipedia moderator deleted it citing "no independent sources". Without being sarcastic, I don't think Master Shi Xing Mi owns dozens of top international magazines and newspapers, global book editors, government institution and many other such sources. They are clearly impeccable independent sources. |
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*:::Yeah, I misunderstood [[WP:TNT]] and only now am realizing the significance of [[WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP|AfD is not cleanup]]. |
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*:::You mention culling anything that wasn't written neutrally, but doesn't everything that isn't sourced need to go? I plan on finding one or more RS and basically rewriting the article leaving it a stub. Is that the best way forward? |
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The deletion is thus completely unfounded and arbitrary; furthermore, there are dozens of Wikipedia pages about living people who comparatively have a miniscule number of sources, yet are considered compliant. Oddly, Shi Xing Mi's own Master, Shi De Yang, has 1 (one) source which is his own website, yet it's considered acceptable. Shi Xing Mi, who by the way is mentioned in Shi De Yang's Wikipedia page, has hundreds of sources but is not acceptable. |
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*:::- [[User:IOHANNVSVERVS|IOHANNVSVERVS]] ([[User talk:IOHANNVSVERVS|talk]]) 13:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*::::{{re|IOHANNVSVERVS}} It doesn't need to be a stub per se, but I would support those actions. [[User:SportingFlyer|SportingFlyer]] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">[[User talk:SportingFlyer|T]]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">[[Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer|C]]</span>'' 13:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Please advise. Thank you. |
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*'''Endorse''' - The discussion was quite clearly a keep with several noting the article needed significant improvement. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 11:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 15:46, 26 March 2024
I am the person who originally created the article, as I am a student of Master Shi Xing Mi and work in media, and I also edited it with over 20 sources following the notice of deletion.
Master Shi Xing Mi has hundreds of international sources, from prestigious publications such as Forbes and NYP, to government institutions and large international corporations. He is the most quoted and published Shaolin Master globally, with 4 books published by the likes of Random House and Mondadori, as well as the Co-Founder of two international wellness and fitness companies with hundreds of employees.
Despite providing over 20 such sources in the Wikipedia article, as well as hundreds more being available to anyone with just a single Google search, a Wikipedia moderator deleted it citing "no independent sources". Without being sarcastic, I don't think Master Shi Xing Mi owns dozens of top international magazines and newspapers, global book editors, government institution and many other such sources. They are clearly impeccable independent sources.
The deletion is thus completely unfounded and arbitrary; furthermore, there are dozens of Wikipedia pages about living people who comparatively have a miniscule number of sources, yet are considered compliant. Oddly, Shi Xing Mi's own Master, Shi De Yang, has 1 (one) source which is his own website, yet it's considered acceptable. Shi Xing Mi, who by the way is mentioned in Shi De Yang's Wikipedia page, has hundreds of sources but is not acceptable.
Please advise. Thank you.