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:Thus, I think the crux of your concerns has been considered by the arbitrators in resolving the case. The exact parameters of what is or is not suitable for userpages is not defined by this case, but that was to be expected, as ArbCom generally deals with specific user-conduct disputes rather than setting policy, which is done by the community as a whole. I hope this is helpful. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 17:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thus, I think the crux of your concerns has been considered by the arbitrators in resolving the case. The exact parameters of what is or is not suitable for userpages is not defined by this case, but that was to be expected, as ArbCom generally deals with specific user-conduct disputes rather than setting policy, which is done by the community as a whole. I hope this is helpful. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 17:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


::No. The administrator absolutely did NOT seek or obtain a consensus prior to deleting/banning. I went and complained to Admnistrator Noticeboards AFTER THE FACT and most administrators chimed in that they were OK with it and some disagreed there and on my user page, but most obviously did not understand the whole situation. (Moreoever, the general community should have a say in consensus determination, not just administrators). Regardless, note that I never replaced anything that I was blocked for having. I complied with the intent of the two blocks (which were two different blocks for two different types of material). I simply came here to request an arbitration after I was blocked to determine if Sandstein acted improperly. And, I'm being punished for challenging administrator power, that is, I'm being punished for pursuing this arbitration. [[User:Billy Ego|Billy Ego]] 20:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
::No. The administrator absolutely did NOT seek or obtain a consensus prior to deleting/banning. I went and complained to Admnistrator Noticeboards AFTER THE FACT and most (which was really just a few) administrators chimed in that they were OK with it while some administrators there and on my user page said that Sandstein was acting improperly, but obviously did not understand the whole situation. (Moreoever, the general community should have a say in consensus determination, not just administrators). Regardless, note that I never replaced anything that I was blocked for having. I complied with the intent of the two blocks (which were two different blocks for two different types of material). I simply came here to request an arbitration after I was blocked to determine if Sandstein acted improperly. And, I'm being punished for challenging administrator power, that is, I'm being punished for pursuing this arbitration. [[User:Billy Ego|Billy Ego]] 20:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

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I am new to this process. Would someone please read my editorial at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Billy_Ego-Sandstein/Proposed_decision#Wrong_Direction and consider adding to this page the principles I proposed there? --AnOutsider 08:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since the case was well into the voting process at the time you first posted, and is currently about to be closed, I am afraid it is too late to effectively add new proposals to the Workshop. However, you will have seen that the arbitrators have included the principle that "[e]ditors are generally permitted to include in their userspace a limited amount of non-inflammatory personal expression not directly related to encyclopedic collaboration, including moderate declarations of POV." I believe this is consistent with the views you have expressed, though it does not go as far as you might wish. With regard to administrator consultation, I believe the evidence indicates that the admin who blocked in this case did consult with other admins and there was a consensus that there was concern regarding the content of Billy Ego's userpage.
Thus, I think the crux of your concerns has been considered by the arbitrators in resolving the case. The exact parameters of what is or is not suitable for userpages is not defined by this case, but that was to be expected, as ArbCom generally deals with specific user-conduct disputes rather than setting policy, which is done by the community as a whole. I hope this is helpful. Newyorkbrad 17:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No. The administrator absolutely did NOT seek or obtain a consensus prior to deleting/banning. I went and complained to Admnistrator Noticeboards AFTER THE FACT and most (which was really just a few) administrators chimed in that they were OK with it while some administrators there and on my user page said that Sandstein was acting improperly, but obviously did not understand the whole situation. (Moreoever, the general community should have a say in consensus determination, not just administrators). Regardless, note that I never replaced anything that I was blocked for having. I complied with the intent of the two blocks (which were two different blocks for two different types of material). I simply came here to request an arbitration after I was blocked to determine if Sandstein acted improperly. And, I'm being punished for challenging administrator power, that is, I'm being punished for pursuing this arbitration. Billy Ego 20:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]