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German External Loan 1924

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Reason: High quality reproduction of a document. Provides a lot of EV in the only article which it appears in, in that it is a direct relic of the Dawes Plan itself. Good POTD for October 15 2024 (100th anniversary of this document).
Articles in which this image appears: Dawes Plan
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/World War I
Creator: Unknown authors and graphic artists; Scan from Ersten Deutschen Historic-Actien-Clubs e.V.

Support as nominator – ―Howard • 🌽³³ 19:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Kentuckian |💬 01:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are the colours natural? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.9% of all FPs.} 16:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support- A good nomination with adequate EV, but (per Adam's query) I came across File:Dawes Anleihe 1924 1000$.jpg and saw the colors are way off in the nom. I am not sure which is closer to the original because a Google search also returned at least half a dozen color reproductions of the bill. If we could get a very good source or a scan (maybe the nomination itself) to prove the current nom is the original/closer to the original color, I'd support. Good luck. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now, after searching across various sources, I have discovered many variant scans of this document, even by auction houses. Here is a list of the variants I have discovered:
Every one of these scans have slightly different colors, contrast, brightness, whatever. And I am not sure which is the true correct version as I am no scripophile myself. Is it possible that during the printing of the loans that different colors were used? Is it possible that most of these scans are of forgeries? I was unable to find any definitive source for any questions, but a good place to look might be German Dollar Bonds issued between 1924 and 1937 by F. Paul Seabrook. However, I am not able to access the book as it appears the book is not available online or print in any way, shape, or form. This blog post on Tumblr attests to its existence and describes it, but I can't find an entry on Google Books, or WorldCat, or even an ISBN. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 17:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of these notes were issues ~~over many years~~. It makes sense that not all had identical color tones, fine details, etc. The uploader seems legit. They have 2000+ uploads of similar (historic) documents. Translating some of their talk page posts Here shows the uploader is part of a group or informal organization (also see their file 'source' descriptions). I doubt the uploads are manipulated in any significant way. But I don't know much about old prints though. Perhaps Adam can judge the integrity of the uploader's work by looking at some of their other uploads. Bammesk (talk) 02:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 *:* https://www.scripoworld.com/records/germany/germany-1924-7-external-loan-dawes-loan/
 *:Every one of these scans have slightly different colors, contrast, brightness, whatever. And I am not sure which is the true correct version as I am no [[Scripophily|scripophile]] myself. Is it possible that during the printing of the loans that different colors were used? Is it possible that most of these scans are of forgeries? I was unable to find any definitive source for any questions, but a good place to look might be ''[https://www.amazon.de/German-Dollar-Bonds-issued-between/dp/B00H0W41EC/ German Dollar Bonds issued between 1924 and 1937]'' by F. Paul Seabrook. However, I am not able to access the book as it appears the book is not available online or print in any way, shape, or form. This [https://nonvaleurs.tumblr.com/post/622692727814029312/german-dollar-bonds-issued-between-1924-and-1937 blog post on Tumblr] attests to its existence and describes it, but I can't find an entry on Google Books, or WorldCat, or even an ISBN. ―<span style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 1px; border-radius: 5px;">[[User:Howardcorn33|<b>Howard</b>]] • [[User talk:Howardcorn33|🌽<sup>33</sup>]]</span> 17:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
-:::*Lots of these notes were issues over many years. It makes sense that not all had identical color tones, details, etc. The [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Edhac-Edham uploader] seems legit. They have 2000+ uploads of similar (historic) documents. Translating some of their talk page posts [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Edhac-Edham Here] shows the uploader is part of a group or informal organization (also see their file 'source' descriptions). I doubt the uploads are manipulated in any significant way. But I don't know much about old prints though. Perhaps [[User:Adam Cuerden|Adam]] can judge the integrity of the uploader's work by looking at some of their other uploads. [[User:Bammesk|Bammesk]] ([[User talk:Bammesk|talk]]) 02:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
+:::*Lots of these notes were issues <s>over many years</s>. It makes sense that not all had identical color tones, fine details, etc. The [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Edhac-Edham uploader] seems legit. They have 2000+ uploads of similar (historic) documents. Translating some of their talk page posts [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Edhac-Edham Here] shows the uploader is part of a group or informal organization (also see their file 'source' descriptions). I doubt the uploads are manipulated in any significant way. But I don't know much about old prints though. Perhaps [[User:Adam Cuerden|Adam]] can judge the integrity of the uploader's work by looking at some of their other uploads. [[User:Bammesk|Bammesk]] ([[User talk:Bammesk|talk]]) 02:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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