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The Beatles and forking articles

I have a problem that I would like to impart to all you good 'Beatles project' editors, and it is this:

• Should anything directly Beatles-related be in the main Beatles' article, and only 'personal' stuff put into the Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, and Starr articles? I have the disturbing feeling that I'm repeating stuff in both Lennon and McCartney articles that should only be in the main article.
• But... if only personal stuff is included in the individual Beatles' articles, would it make them too confusing/random, to read?

Please answer (on a stamped and self-addressed postcard please) on our talk page. (This might be more interesting than talking about MBEs... :) andreasegde, Mr Hornby, and Sir Sean de Garde 15:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Mimi Smith

I reviewed it as a B article, then I thought I'd 'jump in the deep end'. (I have nominated it for GA). To Hell with the doubters - let rip, unfurl the pennants, and 'strike while the iron's hot', as the boys and girls from the 'East Leeds Labour Club Pensioners International Line-dancing Formation Team' say (when they put their dentures in). Sir Sean de Garde and the other mob 02:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You misspelled 'strive the Ivan while it is hat'. You're welcome. Raymond Arritt 02:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Archive

Put ya some archive pages in, which Crestville did for me last year. Passing on the favour. Sir Sean...

Click on edit talk page, block-copy the bits you want to archive (like copying anything into an article) close the edit talk page, open the archive box (1?) and then put them in. Save archive page.

You then have to go back and wipe the stuff you archived from the talk page, or do it earlier - whatever you like. I will put the first comment in to show you what I mean. andreasegde 17:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I've just done it. You have June-July-August in Archive 1, and Sept until Dec 2006 in Archive 2. Sir Sean of O'Garde.

It's jolly gratifying to see the cannon-fodder doing a spot of solid graft for a change, wot? It keeps the buggers out of the alehouse with their gin-sodden strumpets for awhile. Sir Sean de Garde 18:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Multiple personalities

It said, in the last Beatles' newsletter, that "Sir Sean de Garde appears to have developed multiple personalities." This is very true (and made me laugh an awful lot) but it is necessary when one is faced with talking to one on one's pages that one has contributed to. (Work that one out... :) The changing of one's name brings tremendous amusement to one - as other editors are wont to do the same. I refer you to members, Vera, Chuck, and Dave, LessHeard vanU, and Crestville, who have given one a terrific amount of pleasure in the general 'laughing gear' area, because of their inovative choices of Nom de plumes. One can only hope that this practice does not offend one's own sense of normality. One can only live in hope. :)) Who am I? 20:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		I gladly present this barnstar to an editor, who - although undergoing physical pain due to an unforseen accident during the course of his heroic work - always makes me laugh out loud because of his wonderful use of 'Nom de plumes'. The boys from the black stuff, La. 02:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you get hurt there? How did you manage that recuing cats out of trees which is, for all I know having viewed them singularly in Postman Pat Cartoons, the only thing firemen ever do.--Crestville 14:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a disgrace what these firemen have to go through, if I was you I'd strike. Or read "the boy who cried wolf". (Only kidding, I support your cause, mainly because I don't pay taxes)--Crestville 15:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Football

Oh woe is me... The sad truth about United Bugger it 01:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Tank

Oh, that made me laugh me socks off.... (I'm still laughing, and finding it hard to type... I should have seen that one coming, lol... :)) The Laughing Cavalier 03:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It's LessHeardvanU. I think he's having a turn...

Paul McCartney

I have nominated it for FA. andreasegde 22:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Mimi Smith

Mimi Smith just got a GA. Am I chuffed or what, la? andreasegde 16:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

A good laugh

If you want a good belly laugh, have a look a Crestville's discussion page. Shylock Bones and Dr Motson 16:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I love the shed! I used to practice drums on rubber pads in one exactly like that... "Memories, in the corners of my shed..." (Barbara Strauss-&) andreasegde 19:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles Trivia

They're at it again - trying to delete it. See the discussion page. The Beatles Trivia "delete" page. andreasegde 19:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice one, la. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge...) andreasegde 20:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Cheers for the barnstar, I'll treasure it always - but how did you know it was me? Iadmit I'm the only one of the "pretenders" (that's the name I've given to we four of the fake-names) who has such an anal interest in the late 19th century. How did you hurt your collar bone? Cat got away and you fell out of the tree? You can tell me, I gaurentee won't laugh (disclaimer: not a guarentee). Wouldn't now be the perfect time to go on strike? God bless you and all who sail in you. Judd Hirsch out of Taxi (I know Danny DiVito!)

...what?--Crestville 11:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

How come we all seem to have time to waste on these pages at 14.35 in the afternoon? (Austrian time) Either we're all unemployed, or we're looking forward to the night shift - not. (Sorry to hear about the RSJ trying to split your carcass in two, BTW...) Tony Blair's toilet brush 13:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Freddie Lennon

Little Freddie Lennon has been put for a GAR. Would someone look at it for stupid mistakes, and give it a wipe with a damp cloth? andreasegde 09:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you know London?

"he looks OK speshly "... Have you been drinking Vera? speshly, ociffer? Yer on them drugs again, you sod. BTW, I watched the youtube video you sent, and I spotted the streets they were driving through. Parliament Square, Whitehall, Trafalgar Square (No, I'm not looking at a map) Pall Mall? Haymarket? Yes, Haymarket - with the theatre on the right - Piccadilly (that was bleedin' easy) Regent Street (wiv all them fairy lights) Conduit street (I cheated, 'cos I heard them say it, but I was prepared to count the turnings, honest) I just heard some cock-er-nee say "Is it on the left [Conduit street] or the right?" Bleedin' Nora... I can see a Xmas tree´- I have no idea - Where am I? (I have looked at a map, and I think it may be Bruton Place.) Vera's night out :)

P.S. Do you wear ear plugs because of that bleedin' row you make? andreasegde 17:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wot me, famous? I once played in the Cafe Royale on Regent Street for a 'Doctors and nurses' Ball. Even the ugly birds looked absolutely gorgeous with their 'off the shoulder' Ball-gowns... Uhh-err-missus andreasegde 18:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Have a look-see at this: Championship Table

Beetles biker gang

Oh, an interesting one. Macca says that they got it from the film, but I have been reliably informed that the film wasn't released in the UK until the 60s. The chase is on, my dear Watson... andreasegde 13:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

This IMDb says it was released in the UK in 1955. andreasegde 13:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

That's what I heard. Where did you get that info? It would be useful to add it to 'External links' to fob the buggers off. andreasegde 13:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

User:LuciferMorgan has bailed out of Wikipedia

I have left a message on his talkpage thanking him for his help on Beatles related stuff. I am hoping a few messages of thanks might make him reconsider his decision. Yup, this is a hint! LessHeard vanU 22:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I saw. A few words of good cheer can sometimes mend bruises. I hope so. LessHeard vanU 14:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I have moved my vote of thanks out of the original section, as the arguments that lead to LM leaving started cropping up there. I have voiced my intense displeasure at comments directed at my attempting to keep the section clear of such prattle, too. LessHeard vanU 18:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It might be good to move your nice comments to "our section" (Thanks from The Beatles WikiProject) Sod the buggers that pissed him off... Sir Sean 18:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

The Beatles trivia is now "The Beatles' miscellanea". Let the trivia zealots boil their heads in oil... andreasegde 21:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC

My new fish...

Greatly appreciated.

I would have preferred not to have shouted at folks, but I cannot see why they have to use other editors contributions to continue their arguments. Sadly, it was one of LM's friends that felt the rough edge of my tongue... LessHeard vanU 21:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Genuinely chuffed about both Barnstars. Thank you. I aught to say that I later went to said Editors talkpage and apologised for the language... but I assure you I grovelled like a man! LessHeard vanU (Mrs) 20:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I notice that you picked up the ball

You have earned the seldom coveted Thumbs Up Award for recovering my fumble at Joe Meek

where I had fumbled it in trying to make more links in the Joe Meek article. I am partucularly glad that you made the Shirley Bassey connection. I was working on it when my wife announced that it "IS time to go!" - - so I went. Now i find it fixed and many more added. I'm planning on a few more additions yet, to that article. Carptrash 15:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know...

Proper nouns should be capitalised, the beatles is the bands name and therefore.... However, three or four style style guides disagree and no authority has been found to back up our position. My schooling is over 30years ago, so I guess things have moved on. I don't want to waste any more time on it, either. Let the copyeditors have their day. LessHeard vanU 11:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

My fish

I shall care for it always (though I can't remeber the last time I contributed to a Beatles article, these days I only have to the time to leave messages on the talk pages asking for £5. Do I win £5?)--Crestville 15:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The beat-less 'article'

So, it's now the Beatles, is it? Every mention of The Band should be changed (in the middle of a sentence) to the Band. "At the gig, Bob Dylan and the Band.... which means his 'backing band', and not The Band. Explanation:

• "I saw the Band tonight."
• "Which band?"
• "The Band!"

• "I watched the beetles tonight."
• In your kitchen again?"
• No, The Beatles!

It's a question of emphasis... andreasegde 17:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Spot on with your trademark research. Style changes every year, but nobody can argue with their lawyers. andreasegde 20:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Stuart Sutcliffe's Bass

Hi Vera Chuck & Dave, just got your message. No, I'm not offended by your comment, I will indeed accept it as a compliment! Now the strange thing is, is that I inserted that link, and it states that it is a President and it looks like one to me. I now see that someone is disputing this, and saying it is a 500/5.

I was always under the impression that a 500/5 had two pickups, but having said that, I'm not that familiar with Bass Guitars, or Archtop Guitars for that matter, I only own one archtop. If you leave it with me, I'll message another editor who I think will be able to help OK? Be lucky, Lion King 17:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've messaged him and he's taking a short Wikibreak, but another Guitarist/s may be watching his page so we may get an answer quite quickly. Sorry to see you hurt yourself, and hope you are feeling a bit better now. You guys do a Great Job - Thanks!! Be lucky Lion King 18:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't a President. I have a reference, but it's not handy right now. Will get back (heh...) later with details. Raymond Arritt 18:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure I read that it was a 'President'. andreasegde 21:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops, confusion on my part between U.S. (Hofner imported by Selmer) and European model names. In Europe the early 500/5 models were also known as President, according Hofner's web site. So, did Stu play a President, or a 500/5? The answer is "yes". Raymond Arritt 23:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Thank you very much for the fish! I'm glad it's been solved - So it is a Hofner 500/5-President you live and learn eh? Well done Raymond Arritt! If you ever need to know anything about Real Guitars just give me a bell, it may take a bit of time as I'm very busy at the moment, but I always check messages. Cheers Scouse, take care Mate! Best wishes Lion King 02:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)PS Glad to hear that you are now well, try and stay that way OK? Be Lucky, Lion King

"Real guitars", eh? As us bass players say, "you can tell the stage is properly leveled by checking if the lead guitarist drools out both sides of his mouth." So there. Raymond Arritt 02:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Fair play to you Raymond! Be Lucky, night Lion King 02:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Trademark

(From my talk page) Put up or shut up?

This document is irrefutable proof (even though the writer uses "the Beatles" title): An auction for the document used to register the name "The Beatles" back in 1964 Game, Set, and Match. andreasegde 21:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, McTavidge, but it was trademarked in 1964. What "regular writers will do and need to do" is no defence, and is a POV. "doesn't necessarily compel", is also not a case for changing it. "I fought the Law and the Law won", as The Clash sang. I like coca-Cola, BTW. :) andreasegde 21:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Put your link in (bigger picture). We have won this one. They can't disagree with a written fact. andreasegde 22:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I thank you, and Steelbeard1, for your sterling ('effin brill) work. Style? Pah! "Just gimme some truth", as Johnny sang... andreasegde 18:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

GA

Mimi Smith, Julia Lennon, Freddie Lennon, and Neil Aspinall are now all GA. Now, let's see... Brian Epstein, or Mal Evans? Here go, here we go, here we go... 17:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia, Consensus, The Beatles and Project Policy

I was going to step away from this, since I was only going by the rules and I didn't want to get into a big dispute (especially with editors who I respect and have enjoyed working with), but recent events have brought me back.

The debate about naming the convention regarding the capitalisation or not of the letter "t" of the in t/The Beatles has been going on for a while. I have endured the snide remarks of a Twit, and have engaged in civil debate with some others who continued to question Project policy regarding the issue. I pointed out the need to establish a reasonable argument for their viewpoint over and above that of some professional knowledge so there could be a debate. When they did provide reasonable grounds for reopening the debate I used the offices of the Beatles Newsletter Issue 9:Issue of the Month to request comment, debate on the matter. There was no response. In the next Newsletter Issue 10:Issue of last Month I commented that there had been no response, and that the Project policy would be altered to use of the lowercase. Again, nobody other than the proponents responded. After a brief while I did as I said I would, and amended the Policy.

Belated reaction

The new Policy is not to the liking of some of the editors involved the the Beatles Project (as the previous one was not to others.) After the policy was implemented reasons and arguments for retaining the previous convention were given. Authorities were cited and some discussion was created. Very recently more than one editor has edited Beatles related articles specifically to reflect the previous policy.

My Comments

My preference is to capitalise the letter t of the in the Beatles.

Wikipedia has very few rules; two of the most important relate to consensus and verifiability.

Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles has a specific area for the implementation (following debate and consensus) of Policy. The associate talkpage records the debate and the arguments used in reaching Policy decisions. The Project also maintains the principle of abiding by the rules that have been agreed, and the fundemental Wikipedia ethos of consensus.

My Observations

No recent discussion occurred when the matter of the use of lowercase or uppercase was notified in two Newsletters, other than between myself and the proponents of lowercase at the Policy talkpage. Since Policy implementation discussion has only occurred on the talkpages of concerned editors, or on the talkpages of some of the articles, and not at the Policy talkpage.

More than one editor has unilaterally decided to ignore the new Policy, going so far as to amend articles to reflect the previous convention.

My Conclusion(s)

The Beatles Project is being disrupted by editors who I personally know to be conscientious and dedicated contributors of long and good standing. In that there is now occurring what might be considered vandalism (the knowing altering of articles in a manner that is against Wikipedian and Project rules and policy), likely as a result of their strongly held views, I believe that this matter needs urgent addressing. I am copying this to the Policy talkpage, and to all the editors involved in formulating the new policy and the recent opponents. I suggest that this debate is taken there, and that this matter is decided in a civil manner in accordance with the principles of Wikipedia.

I am deeply saddened that it has come to this. I am depressed that editors (people) whose integrity and civility (not to say sheer fun) I had been proud to be associated with have acted in (what I see as) bad faith and flagrant disregard for the rules and guidelines of both Wikipedia and The Beatles Project. LessHeard vanU 23:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Tony

Get your bum back here. We don't back down, do we? (Remember?) andreasegde 06:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

To Vera: "Don't turn on your own". I understand that very well. It was branded on my forehead as a kid. :) Keep your chin up, la. The very dishonourable Sir Sean de Guardian of 'The'... 14:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice badge on your main talk page. Uhh-err missus - I do like a man in a uniform, said the actress to Alfa Four Two One... Errmmm... I have forgotten who I am. You have to guess.

Strange comment

If by my own, you are referring to Wikipedians who abide by the ethos of the place, then I have done no such thing. I have not turned, changed or anything. I stick to my principles. I defended Policy when it said the capital T is used, and I defend Policy when it says that lowercase t is used. Should Policy change, I will defend that. I will also only consider Policy amended if done in accordance with the prevailing rules.

Wikipedia needs people who push at the boundaries, those who will stand on a principle and not let the petty rules deflect them. People who are passionate about the things they care about. People like you. It does not need people who will ride roughshod over something or someone simply because they disagree with it or them. LessHeard vanU 13:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

You say that we "ride roughshod over something"? We have already been called (supposed) vandals, and have seen that "Maybe an RFC needs to be filed against such editors". I am totally shocked at such a knee-jerk reaction. BTW, Vera and I are pushing the boundaries, because Paul, Freddie, Mimi, Julia and Neil have all gone from B to GA status, and "that band from Liverpool" are still GA. We are being chastised because of ONE SINGLE LETTER of the alphabet being changed from lower case to upper case. If you don't find that ridiculous, then I do. I think "that band from Liverpool's" project is in serious danger of collapsing in on itself amid petty bickering. andreasegde 14:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

And now an appeal for calm by the Reverend Crestville on behalf of the good people of wikipedia: CALM DOWN! --Crestville 14:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah, they haven't had a good shouting match for ages, let them get greased up and get at it in the ring... Maybe it will separate the wheat from the chaffed ankles Mr Sumo (MBE for wrestling) 14:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

No, I didn't. And No, I didn't call you (or Andre) a vandal. Read the fucking thing; I said

...might be be considered vandalism... (my italics)

and a little later I said about you being someone who pushes at boundaries, and being passionate about things. I then said Wikipedia not being a place where people should ride roughshod just because they don't agree. I also don't like being called a turncoat, since I still believe the letter should be capitalised, but I don't go shouting about it - I'm getting over to the policy page and try to get things fixed in the proper way.

Do yourself and me a favour. Go to the policy page, and see the fight I've been putting up (and the shit I got from some idiots). You might get a hint of how things were and are, and not how you have seen them in the last few days.

I do not expect or want (or even think I deserve) an apology. You sure as shit ain't going to get one from me. LessHeard vanU 22:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

This is becoming a bit unsettling. May I suggest all concerned grab a pint, put on headphones and listen to the whole White Album, then go on with life? Raymond Arritt 22:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The White Album?! Revolution #1? Yer Blues? Revolution #9? What are you trying to do? Kill us?! Let's listen to Sgt Peppers & Help!--Crestville 16:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a storm in a cracked teacup. We still love LessHeard, because he is one of us. (Apolgies to the incredibly brave fireman for using his page to rant on a bit, BTW). Aye, it'll all come out in the wash, as Vera Duckworth once said... andreasegde 22:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Please have a look at thE BeagleS 'Status Board' and tell us who is next for a GA. They should ALL be GA (minimum). I thank you, and please tip the waiter.... andreasegde 22:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

GCSE English Language course books

Are your kids old enough to be studying GCSE English Language? Or any of your colleagues kids? Whilst style manuals may vary with fashion, the standards for educational courses are perhaps more representative of the age. It would be interesting to see how they think proper nouns should be dealt with. LessHeard vanU 23:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I found a great example. There was a band in the 80s called The The. Now, what do we do we that, I ask? andreasegde 23:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Fucking apology fucking NOT fucking accepted - no fucking apology fucking needed!!! Can you get the name of the course book? LessHeard vanU 00:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I was shocked by this until I read the repsonses. Fu*k me, you lot have to stop giving me palpitations! tHe BeAgLeS 23:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Have your enquiries turned up anything? LessHeard vanU 22:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool. LessHeard vanU 00:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Fucking heck

I was reading over the whole "The" argument and you actually nearly left didn't you! Good lord, all over a case of sticky caps lock and misread vandal talk! Silly boy, no more rash decisions (unless it's, like, a decison to do with a rash or something. You should make a decsion there because they can be nasty)--Crestville 16:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Chin up you puff!--Crestville 22:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Check

Check this: list of the the the ThE bEaTLeS 17:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, but we'll have to get a bit more than that. I'll look through my copy of "The Elements of Style". I read the conversation between us has been described as "could be trying to influence the decision", BTW. Never heard such rot... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So it's now Straw Poll, or a Survey. Wonders will never cease.ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

By George! (medal) methinks you have something there!

(Without upsetting any other editors who may think Vera and I are cooking up something dubious here, may I suggest that we are co-operating in an open way to find an answer to this The problem.)

To Vera: We should collect all these things together, and present them in the best way possible on the policy page. The 'pool may yet win the title... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree on both counts M'lud. Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Mal Evans

I'm working on Mal at the moment, but it's 'effin hard, because he was always in the background. Read the article if you want, and see if there is anything that is crap. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 19:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

"General Rules of Capitalisation, Chambers Concise Dictionary"... Ahhh... You are a 'brick', Dear Sir. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Sweeties

Ah, I'm made up about that. It was something my History teacher mentioned to me just in passing years ago and then about one year ago I loked into it but never got around to writing it until Sunday. I think it's really interesting and was surprised no one really knew about it. It is a bit Milliganesque, though he would probably have gotten bored and walked off half was through.--Crestville 15:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hierarchy

Read this: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 15:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Joe Meek and DI

Hi, I've been writing an article about the Beatles' influence on Recording Music and a minor debate has started about when and how Joe Meek used DI. Its been suggested that as you contribute to the Meek page you may well know if Meek definetely used DI and if he used a DI box.

Apepper 20:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply; I'll modify the article - do you have a reference I could use? There's currently a book referenced but no page number. Apepper 00:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

How are yer

Haven't heard from you in awhile. Hope "the The" bollocks didn't make you too 'effed off. Here's something to rekindle your interest: Have a look at Mal Evans (who is now GA) and read about who co-wrote Fixing a Hole and the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band song. It will give you goosebumps, and put hairs on yer scrawny chest, la... :)) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 15:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You satisfied now? You pedantic arrogant prick? Now go running off and report me to an Admin - like I give a flying Fuck! Vera, Chuck & Dave 14:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

WAIT A MINUTE - what's all this about??? Is someone giving Vera a bit of stick? Not on my watch, me-laddy-o ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The Wiki-fish

"That's the way cod planned it". That makes me laugh so much, it hurts. Nobody in Austria would ever understand the brilliance of English humour. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Sixteen

This a great trick and you should try it on your friends, family daughters or whoever....

Here it is:

I'll bet I can make you say "sixteen" in the next 2 minutes. (Your partner-in-crime should look at their watch...)

Then ask them to solve mathematical problems, like what is 10 + 7, or 70 - 15, etc,.... It doesn't matter - it's just a ruse to confuse them.

Then ask them what 40 + 20 is. They will say "60". You (and your partner-in-crime) must laugh and say, "Ah, you said it!"

They will then (definitely) say, "But you said SIXTEEN".... Ah-hah! They SAID IT!.... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Please stay in touch, no matter what you may decide, because I will miss the humour if you don't. I, personally, am waiting for the next newsletter, which will be illuminating, and may give me an excuse to rant like a barmy lad after 10 pint heres of the hard stuff.

Don't forget this simple fact: We have all worked together on some articles that will still be here in 50 years, and when yer little lasses are all grown up and have kids of their own, they can say to their kids about The Beatles' articles, "Your Granddad Tony worked on them." It's better than saying what yer Granddad did in the war, but it's almost the same. All the best, la. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 19:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't go away, say what you say, say that you'll stay, just for today, in the time of my life. I need a fucking holiday, so I can see the sun. My brain hurts. DAMN YOU ECSTACY. What were we talking about.--Crestville 12:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You're in luck, it's one of three good songs on that album. I'm all better now, and ready to not contribute construcitvly to wikipedia again.--Crestville 12:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh

bugger! Mark 22:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Scouse

"The main local dish is Scouse which is sometimes erroneously described as the Liverpool version of Irish Stew. Ingredients for Scouse include lamb, potatoes, carrots, onions, water and love. Perhaps it has something to do with the water in Liverpool, but there’s nothing quite as heart-warming as a fresh pan of Scouse and some crusty cobs"

Did you know that? I didn't, but then, Crestville and I should be called Yorkshire puds... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 13:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to involve you in the cobblers over on Epstein, 'cos it's just the usual shite. Have you tried the "I can make you say sixteen" trick on yer bairns yet? andreasegde 10:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

R kid sent me this joke (although it's not PC, but English):

A reporter asked the overweight kid that has been in the news recently what his favourite musical instrument in school was. He replied, "The dinner bell!" andreasegde 17:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

This is one for Vera: Blind Date with Cilla - If others don't laugh at this, you must be six-feet-under. andreasegde 23:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

And another one for Vera. He'll understand this one, as I did after I had lived "down the smoke" for a couple-a-years.... Liverpudlian in London andreasegde 23:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

"Fraulein" Ashley Kohl

Mark, I've cited the source for the hair cuts in her article but they've not "come out". Will you see what I dun rong please? Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks to me that you got it right. Perhaps your computer cache hadn't updated when you looked? LessHeard vanU 10:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It's "Fräulein", or Fraulein. Believe me, I've had a few of 'em, so I should know... :) Hold on - maybe I've had her as well! Is she dead? (I've had a few of them as well :) andreasegde 20:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

My non-Austrian keyboard doesn't have amaut functions and I can't be bothered with ruining my eyesight trying to pick out the appropriate combination from the table provided... Well, they do say it ruins your eyesight! Mr MagU 21:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah-hah! I have ze upper hand at ze last! ÄÜÖ and § are all mein, iff you are knowing vat I em zinking... I am also of ze opinion zat Vera is to be having a very gut zank you for knowink Herr. Epstein's place of wohnen. andreasegde 23:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Zis Vera personen is a gut human bean! I am zinking his know-how is greatly to be appreciated, larrr... Baron von Richthofen 00:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The the - yes folks, it's here again

• Brian Epstein signed a contract with the Beatles. He signed it with their individual consent, and they signed it as individual members. Point? Plural, and not collective.
• Paul and John went to Paris, meaning that the Beatles who went to Paris were only two, and not the whole group.
• The Beatles, meaning the Beatles that toured America (not 1, 2, 3, of them, but 4 of them) were The Beatles, because it was singular, meaning a whole entity.
• This is a way of raising the debate to a new level, which includes both sides of the argument. andreasegde 20:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I also put this on the policy page:

As a smaller number of people who believe this to be the case, myself, Vera Chuck and Dave, Crestville, and one or two others (who have been around Wikpedia long enough to know what we are talking about) have decided that the policy should be changed. We have not voted on this, and realise that many editors will disagree, but we have come to a consensus that we believe is best for Wikipedia and articles that feature The Beatles (as a group, and not as individual members). andreasegde 02:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I thank you, Bongo, for your help on articles about The Beatles, and your help on individual articles about the Beatles' friends and family members (Lennon and McCartney) wot I have worked on. andreasegde 15:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for any offence caused

Just thought I'd take the opportunity to apologise for any offence my comment on Andreasedge's talk page may have caused - it was meant to be a joke, but I can see now it wasn't in the greatest of taste. I don't think of the debate as a 'trivial' matter, and I agree entirely with your efforts and views on the t/The argument (even if I'm hopeless at following it).

Hope you had a nice evening out with your wife for your anniversary. The word 'savoy' just makes me think of distorted saxophones - know what I mean? Once again, extremely sorry for any offence caused by my comment. See you around. Shrub of power 20:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. What was the film about zimbo?

Congrats

Congratulations to you both! BTW, the cat is amongst the pigeons on the policy page... (ouch!) andreasegde 12:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I'm laughing (but very happy) about "they can take me with him OK?." Do you want to jump off a cliff with me? (Don't answer that one, Dear Vera, as your lovely wife and kids might violently disagree :). Anyway, I think we might have won this, "The Beatles" fri*gin' shite 'testicles/bollards' (only people from the fri*gin' North understand the fri*gin' difference between the two). (oh, I'm laughing more now...) Give my best regards to your lovely family. andreasegde 01:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not about winning--it's about what's best for the encyclopedia. Or is it just all a game to you? --Lukobe 00:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

But is it so clear cut what is best for an encyclopeda. Surely, since their name is "The Beatles" and "The" is part of the name - as distingished from, for example the "Manic Street Preachers" or the band "Oasis" - it shoiuld be a capital. I don't spell my name john Holmes. Because that's not my name. It's John Holmes' name.--Crestville 21:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It's obviously not clear-cut, otherwise there wouldn't have been this long-standing debate/argument. Your opinion is that the article in their name should be capitalized regardless of where it is, and mine is the opposite. I think the people on my side have put forward better arguments than those on your side. (For example, "John" isn't an article--so your example is irrelevant.) --Lukobe 05:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Him wot have that bird's name

What's going on there? He's packed up his troubles and dissappeared. Wouldn't even talk to me last night. I hope he's not planning to quit. That's what quitters do.--Crestville 10:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's an emotional chap - he'll be back. The whole thing is very frustrating. BTW, have you ever seen the film "Let It Be"? Being just a young fellow, I've never had the chance to see it, but I just by chance found it on youtube [1]--Crestville 15:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

To be fair, if I was going to vanish into thin air, I would want people to go to my unsual place and find only memories and a photograph of some penguins. Just watching Goerge playing "I Me Mine" - I though it was a bit sad because only Ringo and the film crew were watching, but then they show John and Yoko dancing to it which is lovely.--Crestville 16:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I always liked the iconography of a mysterious well-wisher leaving a single red rose. Bless you and your sweet children (though they appear to be little liars which may cause trouble down the line). Don't feel any return will involve your tail between your legs. Take a break, and if you ever fancy coming back - not necessarily on The Beatles project - you'll be welcomed with open arms.--Dennis O'Bell 11:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I got Let It Be off bit torrent just these last few weeks. Didn't get all the way through, thought it was excruciating :( --kingboyk 22:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm not dead

I'm coming over to London with a Vöestalpine class in June (the 9th to the 12th) and it would be great to meet for an hour. Me, a member of The Angry Northern Gits... andreasegde 20:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see your Barnstars back. Keep well, you accident-prone fireman hero type-chap. andreasegde 20:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You just gave me my first laugh for ages (Uhh-err Missus, I'm having a touch of the hot flushes don't you know, but it's to be expected at my age, Mrs. Brown... I'd best be off and buy some nice bacon for me husband before he gets home from the night shift at the "Garden Gnomes for every occasion" packing plant. :) Keep well. andreasegde 21:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

If your lovely wife looks like this photo you put on my page [2], then you are the absolute opposite of the saying, "Lucky in life - unlucky in love", because you have a wonderful family, but you can't resist the urge to wait around for a steel girder to fall on your yer bonce... :)) mr andreasEgde 20:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I am dead, but rise of a night to feast on the living and contribute to an internet encyclopedia database

Aye, I think we should all step back from The Beatles for the time being. Go back as and when we feel like it so its gradual. If we all go back now, all at once, there'll just be a massive smashing of heads again. I've realised my Dad's wedding ring makes a really cool thumb ring. I may try and break up their marrage to get hold of it. Nyah!--Crestville 22:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC) P.s. Of course I'm bloody right, I always am. 'Cept that time I thought to capital of India was Bangladesh. I was wrong about that.

Did you (Vera) just read Crestville's page? If you didn't, then this is spooky! andreasegde 17:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Heh

Just had to say...I love your username! Cheers, Kukini ^{hablame aqui} 17:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Very kind. Your's is gear an' all like! Vera, Chuck & Dave 17:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The George

Strictly as an aside, I read the article and this sentence jumped out at me: "In undress uniform or on occasions when the medal ribbon alone is worn, a silver rosette is worn on the ribbon to indicate each bar." as I pictured all of you Georgies running around without any clothes, wearing just the ribbon, but hopefully with its rosette in place. Hey, you earned it, you wear it however the hell you want. Tvoz |talk 15:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Brian Epstein

Hey, this is really good stuff - look at Brian's page, because it's the Battle of the Year, and more intellectually stimulating than the The. I think I have found a twat/sockpuppet who is a gobshite, and a Trojan Horse. Uhh.. I'm starting to enjoy it. andreasegde 00:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Andre has been banned (for 24 hours) regarding the above. I know me and him have had a falling out but I think he needs some mates with some calming words asap. LessHeard vanU 21:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I think he might be becoming un-wikistable (that's right, I made up a term). Read the discussion under the history section of the Epstien talk page. It's funny, but he makes really wierd accusations. Still, like the R.E.M song says: "Everybody Get Blocked Off Wikipedia For Doing Something Wot Seems Really Funny At The Time, And Later, But Not When You're Actually Blocked".

For more information on being blocked, please see any given square inch of my talk page archive.--Crestville 21:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Who's Steve?--Crestville 11:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The the

I have just realised that there is an excellent way of solving the "The" problem, and it's very easy. Put the name of the band at the start of a sentence, and it is totally correct. I will give you an example:

• After the success of the Beatles, Lennon bought Mimi a bungalow in Poole, Dorset, where she lived until her death in 1992.
• The Beatles' success later enabled Lennon to buy Mimi a bungalow in Poole, Dorset, where she lived until her death in 1992.

There you go - job done, and nobody can complain :)) andreasegde 20:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Attack

What can I say? It was 4am and I'd been drinking. Gin makes me fighty. I then spent and hour trying to get out of some lasses apartment block because I didn't have a key and EVERY fucking door was locked. Good times.--Crestville 12:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Way ahead of you buddy.--Crestville 13:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Crestville drinks Gin? Bloomin' eck - 'Mother's Ruin' and guaranteed to make you go blind without masturbating. I once drank (first and last time) a half bottle of Gordon's at a rehearsal and then rode home on my bycyle. I never felt so pissed in all my life, whilst still being able to think in a strangely haphazard way. P.S. Why does the stuff taste of flowers?(Hic...) andreasegde 18:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

One has read that the holder of The George Medal rolls ciggys. Yours truly is astounded by this fact, as yours truly also rolls the Virginian stuff in small pieces of French-produced paper. It saves one a lot of financial 'resources', but also takes one longer to make than it does one to light, hold, inhale, exhale, and then relight. These missives could greatly contribute to the articles about various homeless people who (whilst rolling their own cancer-inducing products) ask one for "20p for a cuppa tea". That wasn't in code, and I wish you the best, me old mucca... The Sean de Garde 19:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

As the main article is called The Beatles, why should one be forced to write the Beatles with a link to The Beatles? This means extra work, and is a waste of time. I would suggest (as Kingboyk has also suggested) that the main article should be renamed "Beatles" (although I am obviously being flippant here...) That nutter who won't shut his gob 03:31, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hit the nail on (-) head. That phrase (a small but well built Milkman) has always bothered me... :) andreasegde 15:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

A statement

As I am not a member of The Beatles project, I see no reason to abide by its policy rules, as it does not represent Wikipedia as a whole, but insists on enforcing its own self-determined policy on contributors. I truly believe that this is dictatorial, and does not have anything to do with the true purpose of Wikipedia. The Beatles' project is a break-away group, and should be reminded of what Wikipedia really is. andreasegde 18:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

The 'Enigma' machine

They're gonna go bananas about that spouting off, but I don't give a monkey's uncle. After putting in lots of elbow grease and then getting one in the knackers for writing that The Dad is not the Dad (and not the uncle Fred) makes me head go all funny, like... We have to pull up our shirtsleeves and get stuck in. This is one bash that I'm not gonna let go of, even if the scuffers/boys in blue don't want it to be so. Mimi is up for FA, and Brian for GA (both with absolutely no small cups of 'tee', if you get my meaning) and if they get it (Brian will, without a doubt, and Mimi is getting close) then I will be as happy as Larry. Justice for The 96! A tall, determined hetrosexual with a girl's name 18:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to rejoin WikiProject The Beatles

Dear esteemed editor and former member of WikiProject The Beatles,

Debate over "policy" recently overheated, to the detriment of the WikiProject and Wikipedia. As part of the fallout, you resigned from the Project.

I now believe, thanks in part to your input, that the WikiProject doesn't need "policy", so I have tagged the page as historical and blanked it. I would like to invite you to:

• Rejoin the project
• Edit and trim the project page and template mercilessly, to reflect a new focus of working to produce featured content on The Beatles (or "the Beatles", it's your choice)
• Help bring the next newsletter up to date and get it released.

It's your Project, please consider taking it back and shaping it into the Project you want it to be.

If it turns out that people aren't interested in rejoining and refocussing the Project I'm perfectly happy with that, and will resign myself and suggest tagging the Project as inactive. My role has always been primarily organisational, and if I don't have the support of good editors like yourself it's totally pointless carrying on. Lar and I started the Project because we felt one were needed, it is not and has never been a vanity exercise and we both have other things we could be doing.

PS: Mine's a London Pride. --kingboyk 12:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

There you go

Having a very nice, intelligent and concerned Admin/admin who knows how to do the right thing is a wonderful thing. (Mine (BTW) is a pint of "John Smith's Smooth" - get yer hands out of yer pockets). Yes, I know I'm a daft northerner wot likes hand-pulled pints by a bird with big biceps, but I will drink a pint to you, and salute you. We not only pulled a pint, we pulled it off. Have one on me... The thing about 'The thing' is over, at last. I'm so happy I could buy a round. Cheers, La. andreasegde 01:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)