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This user talk page was created as part of the 1013 Project. It was used by one of the members of an introductory composition class at the University of Minnesota. The project was active from April 16 to May 9, 2007, and has now been archived at User:1013-josh/archive. This user may or may not still be active on Wikipedia.

1013 Project Notes Archived

Hi Joe, Thanks for learning Wikipedia with me and the class. I have moved your workshop notes and all the other content from your talk page to User:1013-Brow1901/archive. If you stick around Wikipedia after class is over, you can continue to use this account for new contributions, and you'll have a fresh start with a clean talk page. 1013-josh 00:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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-== My Project ==
+== 1013 Project Notes Archived ==
+Hi Joe, Thanks for learning Wikipedia with me and the class. I have moved your workshop notes and all the other content from your talk page to [[User:1013-Brow1901/archive]]. If you stick around Wikipedia after class is over, you can continue to use this account for new contributions, and you'll have a fresh start with a clean talk page. [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 00:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
-For my project I have chosen Lake Tainter in western wisconsin.  Lake Tainter is formed by the red ceadar river and is near Colfax WI.  I think that this lake deserves 1500 words because I have lived on that lake for 18 years of my life.  Also because there is a bit of controversy surrounding the lake because in the summer fertilizer from the farms runs off and into lake Tainter.  Then green algae have a feeding frenzy and the lake begins to smell like crap.  This would also be a perfect topic because it does meet the three criteria.
-articles that I would use as models:
-*[[Lake Superior]]
-*[[Lake Michigan]]
-*[[Lake Huron]]
-*[[Lake Erie]]
-*[[Lake Ontario]]
-just like these but without shipwreak information.
-links:
-*[[Hydroelectricity]]
-*[[Red Cedar River (Wisconsin)]]
-*[[Green algae]]
-*[[Fertilizer]]
-*[[Hay River (Wisconsin)]]
-:'''Thoughts from Josh.''' Joe, this sounds like a good project, but you may want to start looking for research material to be sure that you will have enough information to generate a 1500-word article. "This lake deserves 1500 words because I have lived on that lake for 18 years" is not enough to go on. The models that you have linked to will be good models for organization, but they don't provide a very good indicator of what an article about a small and relatively unknown lake might look like. You will be able to mention the fertilizer controversy, but don't spend much time duplicating information that would be better covered in other Wikipedia articles (as the fertilizer problem is one that affects many lakes, not just Lake Tainter). Have you found other articles about small Minnesotan or Wisconsin lakes? What do they look like? What kind of information do they include? If you can find multiple, independent sources for this, I think you'll be off to a good start. Please format your links as lists with bullets, just for practice. If you have any questions about your project proposal, write me a note here, and write "QUESTION FOR JOSH" in the edit summary box when you hit the "save page" button. I'll stop by later to answer.  [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 22:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
-== Workshop: [[Tainter Lake]] ==
-''[[User talk:1013-josh#Workshop Week: Friday, April 27, to Friday, May 4|Workshop Guidelines]]''
-hi joe - it looks like you've got a great start - your organization follows through the information about the lake in a very logical format. i just added a couple internal links for your article.  however - it looks like there might not be an internal link to cedar falls, wisconsin - when i clicked on that link it did not go through. also i thought that the fishing information that you included in the geography section might be better located in the fishing area - and just leave the geography section to the lake specifically and the lakes that run into it and that type of thing. other wise your article looks good! have you been able to locate any pictures? i can look and see if i can find any as well! [[User:1013-shannon|1013-shannon]] 20:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
-Hi, I've nominated an article you worked on, [[Tainter Lake]], for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. You can see the "hook" for the article at [[Template talk:Did you know#Articles created on April 27]] where you can improve it if you see fit. [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 22:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
-I think this article has the potential to contribute greatly to Wikipedia. Articles about local watersheds, lakes, and other geographic features are some of my favorites, and here you are really helping to write the history of a place that not a lot of people know about or think about as important. You're a geographer! And yet, this also presents some challenges, because your subject is not well known, and your responsibility as a writer is to show us what's interesting about this lake, why it's notable, why it deserves a 1500-2000 word entry on Wikipedia. That's a tall order, because in some ways it's just like thousands of other lakes in the area. Your article will be greatly helped by the addition of more sources -- have you found any newspaper articles? -- and by citing your sources with footnotes, in addition to the references section at the bottom. For example, you say the lake is "infamous" for its algal bloom, but you never provide a citation for that. Many lakes have algal blooms, and "infamous" seems like a strong term to use here without a citation. I like your section on the geography of the lake and your emphasis on its connection to the watershed of the surrounding rivers. By tying the algal blooms to the fertilizer runoff, you really help to connect the lake to the larger cultural, economic, and ecological systems of which it is a part. The more you can do in this vein, the better your article will be. You could also use many more internal links ("wikilinks") to help connect your article to the articles of surrounding geographic features. I was a little confused by your discussion of fishing in the geography section, as well as the fishing section below. You're off to a good start here, Joe, but i think your next step should be finding some more sources that will help you write this lake into history. [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 10:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
-Good morning!  I like how the article is coming along!  It seems like you have gathered a lot of good evidence for your topic.  Keep putting the structure of the article together.  I added a footnotes section and a see also section and included how and what to put in each of them.  Throw those in there and I think you are on the way to a great article!  Keep up the good work! [[User:1013-alex|1013-alex]] 16:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
-Good evening!  I read through the article in depth tonight and, along with some revisions I already did, came up with a few ideas too!  First, "the lake" is used a lot in this article.  I know this is very tricky not too, but if there is a will, there is a way.  Maybe used Tainter Lake a little more or find other ways to relate to it.  One thing I notice when I was separating the big paragraph is that fishing is kind of randomly brought in with the Geography section, and then added with its own title later in the article.  Both of these talks on fishing are really good, but maybe not as much in the geography section.  The sentence about the resorts is good, but leave the rest to the section on fishing.  Another thought was that the History section is a little crazy.  There are a lot of good ideas in the section, but maybe try to put them into a more logical reading format by including a few more connecting sentences between thoughts.  This will help improve flow.  I also like the idea of the section to come on algae.  I think that is a great tie in to the lake, especially because you talk about how algae plays an important role in a lot of the features of the lake.  It looks very good so far.  Keep up the good work and best of luck on the final draft! [[User:1013-alex|1013-alex]] 04:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
-Hi Joe! I just went through your article and tried to improve the sentence flow alittle bit through adding some commas and changing minor word orders. I also tried to help you out with your references section... I think all you should have to add now is the date that you accessed the websites that you are listing there... I marked those places with DATE!. I also moved the sentence on ice fishing to the fishing section. I can see why you might want to include the other fishing information in the geography section because of the talk about the fish hatcheries located in areas of the lake... but you might want to re-organize that area so that it doesnt seem so random there. Other wise your article seems to be comming along well... have you found any more information regarding the algae or history? looks good so far! [[User:1013-shannon|1013-shannon]] 05:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
-== Participation: Joe ==
-Gave suggestions to Alex and Shannon on the structure and flow of their papers.  That was on friday sorry I forgot to sign it then[[User:Brow1901|Brow1901]]
-== Homework ==
-Done right on time.[[User:Brow1901|Brow1901]] 15:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
-Here it is [[Apocalypse Now]] it is under adaptations [[User:Brow1901|Brow1901]] 18:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
-:Good work. Remember to add a comment to the [[edit summary]] box to make it easier for other users to follow your changes. You may want to add the film page to your [[Help:Watching pages|watchlist]] so you can see what becomes of your changes. [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 20:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
-Also I agree to waive all my copyrights and that other stuff you said[[User:Brow1901|Brow1901]] 18:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
-:Okay, great! Let me know at any time if you change your mind and would like to switch to an off-line research assignment. [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 20:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
-Hey Joe, remember to sign your homework. It looks like you're off to a good start over at your project draft page, but you didn't "turn in your homework" by signing here. Have you been able to dig up any other sources? Did you check Lexis-Nexis for newspaper articles about the lake? (See research links below). [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 19:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
-Sorry I forget that I have a special homework section.  I was having some trouble with the lexis nexis but I think I understand how to cite it now.  Thank you.  [[User:Brow1901|Brow1901]] 20:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
-:Okay, let me know if any questions arise. Have fun! [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 20:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
-I have my rough draft almost done, I need to research a little more. [[User:Brow1901|Brow1901]] 15:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
-:Okay, you're moved over to the mainspace now. [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 22:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
-== Notes from Josh & the Class ==
-Hey, I just posted some [[User:1013-josh/homework#Wednesday, April 18|helpful research links]]; don't miss them! [[User:1013-josh|1013-josh]] 21:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
-== Notes from Wikipedians ==
-''Wikipedians, if you're commenting specifically about the [[Tainter Lake]] article, feel free to chime in in the "Workshop" section above.''
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