Talk:List of Pirates of the Caribbean characters

Splitting

This article is too long; It have 7 section and information about 58 single characters and pairs. This makes it difficult to find read. Therefore, it would make sense to separate the first 4 sections (these about the pirate crews) into independent articles.

Why? For Wikipedia to have more clutter around? It's more useful to leave it as it is. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 01:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Barbossa's first mate

Bo'sun acts as first officer and Kholer simply is a prominant pirate, neither is stated to have their positions by anyone, therefore instinct must be trusted. Kholer isn't the first officer.

According to his nickname, Bo'sun is just the boatswain and therefore, Koehler must be the first mate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.144.103.38 (talk) 14:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

The Black Pearl's first mate is Barbossa. He named himself captain after the mutiny and just never bothered to "promote" the Bo'sun to be his first mate, but he is undoubtedly Barbossa's second-in-command nonetheless. Koehler is never shown as having any kind of authority. It is the Bo'sun who bosses everyone around (inlcuding Koehler) and who is always at Barbossa's side. - Kooshmeister

Dog with keys

Since this dog has been annoying as it were in the movies, shouldn't he been included somewhere?--User:Drakehellman

Does the dog have a name? The article Pirates of the Caribbean characters states that his name is Poochie, but some sources clames that according to commentary and/or special features on the DVD, he is called Chopper. Do somebody know anything about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.144.67.39 (talk) 09:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

Hmm, nope, but that is something that would be good to find out if it has an actual name, but also not it's best to have some sort of source behind it before adding in anything, as in, at least state where you get the name from. As for that article, I say, ignore it, as it is propsed for deletion anyway, but as for the DVD aprt, I'm not sure, as I haven't seen the DVD version of the movies. Which one is it anyway? The first or second movie? Captain Drake Van Hellsing 09:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I also haven't seen the DVD version, but according to the information I have, it´s Dead Man's Chest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.144.67.39 (talk) 10:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

I watched the commentary and neither name was mentioned. The only place I heard the name Poochie was the movie itself, by Pintel, but that just seems like more of a one-off nickname. I'll keep looking, but if anyone finds out what feature names it (if any at all) can you let us know? Thanks. Dac 11:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Flying Dutchmen crew

There seems to be a lot of adding and removing editing going on with the Flying Dutchmen crew (ie Ratlin, Wheelback).

From sources I've found, the full crew totals 18:

Bootstrap, Clanker, Koleniko, Jimmylegs, Hadras, Maccus, Ogilvey, Palifico, Wyvern, Two Head, Greenbeard, Penrod, Old Haddy, Ratlin, Wheelback, Angler, Quittance, Crash

Sources include IMDB.com and articles/developer interviews at CGsociety.org.

Granted, there's not much info about Ratlin, Wheelback, Angler, Quittance, and Crash, but they should probably at least still be mentioned.

Yeah, one of the guys under IP addresses pointed that one at me, but if we have no verifiable information on these guys, eg their appearance, I don't see much point in keeping them in (I went over those articles at CGsociety.org and found naught on the appearance of the characters.. It's good that we have their names and all, but simply the names isn't enough. People are just gonna wonder who these names belong to. Your thoughts? Dac 07:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Gotcha, I'm fine with leaving them out for now. I'm sure more details for the rest will come about eventually. One that's not on the list yet that is shown in quite a few scenes is the one carrying the sawfish sword. That one had barnacle tendrils around one eye which leads him to possibly be 'Crash' according to CGsociety.org. On CGsociety.org, there's a picture of him coming out of the water (all the way on the left) with a few of the others. Too bad there aren't any names listed under the photo. That would be much better for confirmation.

My friends i'm sorry to say that greenbeard is also the bosun he is referred to as such in the novilization of Dead Man's Chest, i'm not sure who you have listed as the Bosun, but Greenbeard is, not him. Technobabble1 17:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

• Bootstrap Bill specifically calls Jimmylegs the bosun in the film. The film takes precedence over the novel in terms of canocity, so the info presented there is incorrect. Greenbeard is not the bosun - 81.159.16.26 18:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I'm new here. Please CapDac do not delete Ratlin, Old Haddy and Angler, I removed the link because the photo got deleted, I'm begging you, PLEASE DON'T! --Ogilvey1 06:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen them so I know they're real. Please don't jump to conclusions, I hate being characterised like that. I'm leaving them as is. Dac 06:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Good, because if you had, I would have deleted Hadras and Maccus because of no citation!--Ogilvey1 08:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't recall seeing any crewman on the Flying Dutchman with a barracuda for an arm, or simply, Angler. Can anyone elaborate? --KnowledgeLord 05:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

How come all of the crewmembers except three are completely gone now? I was going to add pictures for them, but now they've all been taken down! Catcher Block 21:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

-Thanks for putting it back up, whom-ever-did-it! I've been adding some pictures of the different characters. If anyone can add better or clearer ones (it's hard to take pictures of Jone's crew because of the many of the scenes are at night), feel free to do so! Catcher Block 06:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

John?

Where is it stated J. Brown's first name is "John"? He's named Mr. Brown in the credits, and his sign reads "J. Brown" - 213.120.158.227 17:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Good point, I've removed it Dac 12:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

• Ah, found it; The PotC Visual Guide gives his full name - 81.151.184.115 09:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Whoever keeps on adding in that his name is "John", please refrain from doing so, there are no sitations(sp?) to prove that his name is that and it will be reverted everytime someone tries to add it in without a sitation(sp?) to back up the edit. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 10:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide clearly says that his first name is John. And here is your citation: [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.144.118.63 (talk) 10:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

The add it to the page already Captain Drake Van Hellsing 20:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Cotton

I've noticed someone keeps stating that Cotton is referred to as "Cottony" by Gibbs. That's not correct; he says, "Cotton here says you've missed a bit", not "Cottony says you've missed a bit". Also, when is his parrot referred to as Cotton? I've only heard it called "Cotton's parrot" - 81.159.16.26 18:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

He is referring to the parrot as Cotton because, after all, Cotton can't speak, so the bird is essentially his mouth. --KnowledgeLord 05:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

All the new characters

I actually went and had a look at the extra info in their links, yet, there were no pictures at all, and was wondering if anyone actually has pictures of them or not. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 00:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Links aren't always necessarily pictures, just links to sites that have some form of clarification on them. Dac 00:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, was just checking really, that's all, it's cool Captain Drake Van Hellsing 05:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Jack's "extra" cremen

Whoever had added these crewmen in, please provide a link to them, as in, like Davy Jones' crew, or they will have to be removed. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 21:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I’ve add the links.

The links verify that the characters exist, so as such we can let them remain in. But a few things need to be cleared up. Firstly, since Jack recruited crewmen from Tortuga in both films, I think that each crewman should be listed as appearing in either the first film or the second film or both. Second, any claims of was "probably was eaten by the cannibals" will be removed. That is outright speculation and that is not what these pages are for. Other than that, thank you for your assistance. Dac 12:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Heh, no worries man Captain Drake Van Hellsing 09:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

A Question About Ratlin

Hello,

I added that Ratlin is the second to attack Will, but someone removed it. Now, I found this odd, since this is a much clearer shot of Ratlin than when you see him clinging to the ropes and such when you see the Dutchman submerging.

Sorry if I'm being a bother, but I'm a total Davy Jones/Dutchman/Crew fangirl, so I pay as much attention to them as I can. ^.^

Best, EldoraLuthiena 01:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed it because I checked the scene, and although the statement was true, the shot only lasted half a second before Ratlin was joined by others. It was one of those things that can only be picked up if one is looking for it, REALLY hard. There is enough time to see him, quite easily, in those other scenes. So for now I'm taking it out. Dac 02:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, okey-doke. I think I might have found a picture of him somewhere, but I'll have to check. I was wondering, is it all right if I add in who was part of the Isla Cruces shore party? I've got a list of them written down, and I've triple-checked it.

EldoraLuthiena 02:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The "shore party" as you call them is far too broad a list. There were a large number who set foot on land, most of whom are the crew that are seen elsewhere anyway, so there's little point to it. Dac 02:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The Princess

Where is the merchant vessel destroyed by the Pearl at the start of TCotBP identified as Princess? It's never named in the film, nor does the name appear in the Visual Guide - 90.240.7.94 14:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Anamaria

Why does the Anamaria-article refer to this article if there is nothing about her in there

I'm going to restore the Anamaria article via revert. Her being in only one film doesn't make her "non-notable." If someone can add something for her here, I won't argue it, but until then the old article was prefectly usable. - Rebby 20:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Captain Tuege?

I think that's how you spell it, Jack's father who appears in At World's End. Isn't he a pirate lord? I don't see him on the list anywhere. --MajinVegeta 13:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

That One Eel-headed Guy

Does anyone know what the name of that one Davy Jones Crewmember who had a giant moray eel for a head that appeared in 'At World's End'? I can't seem to find any information on him.

Also, when did Broondjongen appear in the movie? I can't recall seeing him at all. --StantheGarbageMan 7:50, 28 May 2007

He was at a Cannon for 2 Seconds

The eel guy is listed on wikipedia minor pirate characters under "Eel". JamesNorrington 19:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Black Pearl crew

Most of the Black Pearl's crew appears to have disappeared from the article... - Kwenn 08:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Probably because half of them never say or do anything worth mentioning. Although I myself did not remove them, I can see why they would be. I'm also thinking a lot of the Flying Dutchman crew ought to be trimmed down a bit to just the ones listed in the credits and/or who did anything notable in the film(s). - Kooshmeister

Pirate Lords

The list of Pirate Lords *must* included here. If not, then the page will be deleted and the information on there destroyed. As they were minor characters to the plot, they must be put up here. --KnowledgeLord 01:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

At least wait and see what happens first. lol I have the page saved on my computer anyway, so if it does get deleted, I'll put it up here, so don't fret. Therequiembellishere 04:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Captain Teague

if anybody can get a pic of him with the shrunken head it would be awsome

It would appear that Captain Teague is immortal. Jack makes a reference to that, "What? You've seen it all, done it all. You've survived. That's the trick, isn't? To survive?"

Small kid with the Harbormaster?

Just wondering, that kid that was with the Harbormaster, would he be an apprentice by any chance? Or just a kid? Captain Drake Van Hellsing 23:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I think he's just a kid the harbormaster hired to be an assistant or something. Back then, grown-ups would frequently hire children on for menial tasks, unlike today. - Kooshmeister

Yeah, true. Cause I was thinking that we should include him in somehow too, as he was part of it. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 03:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't the boy African? I have a feeling he was a slave. Therequiembellishere 03:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if he was or not. But as for slave, it didn't look like it, it just seemed he was helping out really. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 03:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, not all slaves were the stereotypical "shipping boy, 70 hours a week in the sun on a plantation" a lot just helped out in return for food, shelter and freedom. Uncle Tom's Cabin isn't the most truthful of books. Therequiembellishere 04:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack's Father

I cant seem to find any information on Jack Sparrow's father on wikipedia, and i believe he is a minor character, could anyone who knows anything add him in?

Um, Teague is Sparrow's father. Therequiembellishere 20:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Crash

For Crash's image box, it doesn't even show the picture, it just says, "Crash aboard the dutchman" or something. ?? BlackPearl14 03:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Crash's image has been deleted - might be due to copyright reasons. Davtra 07:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Manray

According to Manray's section, it says he is the sailor who decided to serve Davy Jones in the second film. Is this true? If it is, shouldn't there be a source? Evilgidgit 15:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure this is correct. Bootstrap had been serving under Davy Jones for much longer and was less mutated. If the claim is correct, it is a plot hole in the film. Jerkov 14:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I never even saw Manray in World's End. Does anyone know where he appeared? JamesNorrington 19:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

I added a few pics of the crewmembers of the dutchman (Quittance, Oglivey, Palifico, and Greenbeard), just to clear up the slight confusion. I'll try to find Ratlin. Does anyone know what parts he appears in during the second film? I need a picture of his face, or atleast a better pic than when he's hanging from the ropes. User:Cornflake111 4:54, June 4 2007 (UTC)

Try the Kraken Hammer scenes.

User:Whm2] 6:13, June 6 2007

Pirate Lords

I may just be blind, but what happened to the Pirate Lord section? BumblePooh16 19:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• I don't think there was a Pirate Lords section in this article. The Pirate Lords are listed on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brethren_Court - Davtra 12:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

External links to photos

There are many external links to photographs in: The Flying Dutchman (under Davy Jones) section. I would say one photograph per character is enough. That section needs little a clean up. All agree? - Davtra 12:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Jimmylegs pic

It needs to be replaced with a better one. I can't really make anything out in the current pic. Jerkov 14:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Liar's Dice

We've said that the winner of a dice match has years shaved off his sentence, but the film doesn't make clear whether the crewmen were playing for more time or less. I can see how the mutating crewmen might've wanted less time on the Dutchman, but the whole point of signing on was to "stave off the judgment," and avoid death. Does anyone have a source for which way the game was being played? Darkfrog24 17:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Dutchman Sailor's Deaths? =

Now, weren't the sailors also immortal? I mean, Hadras lost his head and still survived in DMC, and Angler was sliced open by will but later healed, so where is the source that says the sailors died, even by falling in the whirlpool (It seems that since they are "part of the ship" they would probably get back on it eventually).--24.22.212.250 02:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Most likely since the malestrom leads to the bottom of the ocean, which is technically Davy Jones' Locker, they will just be in there until ferryed to the other world. BumblePooh16 19:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Clanker pic

I cannot make out anything of the Clanker photo. It needs to be replaced. JamesNorrington 19:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Four Lame Pirates

Should we add the Four Four Pirates who joined jacks crew in the 2nd Film the Very old man, Irish man, Crippled man and Skinny man thats what They Were Credited as and there seen a lot