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Barbaro Hoax
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Spelling variations include: Barbaro, Barbara, Barabari, Barbarino, Barbarella, Barbarelli, Barbarotti and many more.


=="Golden Books of Venetian Nobility"==
There are no such books, according to Google. I would like to see some ISBNs for a lot of the other references. The "Golden Books of Venetian Nobility" is also being used to source another, hoaxish article with no reliable sources, and therefore I have my doubts about this, as well. This article needs to be reverted a long ways back to its earliest beginnings and '''''verifiable''''' sources re-added. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 22:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:Interestingly enough, [[Vitus Sebastian Barbaro]] and [[Vitus Barbaro]] have both been deleted for failure to provide references. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 22:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, and I've just been [[WP:BOLD]] and reverted the article to a point before [[User:Tiki-two]] and his 65.54.xxx.xxx alter-egos started messing with it. If I've removed anyone's good edits, I apologize profusely, but I think this article needs to be reconsidered in its entirety before it can move forward. [[WP:V|Verifiable]] sources are needed for any further additions or emendations. [[User:Deor|Deor]] 00:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


Dear Wikipedia:
*Stop at once! You do not know what you are talking about. I suggest you go to [[Libro d'Oro]] as well as [[Libro d'Oro della Nobilta Italiana]] For those that don't speak Italian, that is The Golden Book, and The Golden Book of Italian Nobility, and there is also a Golden Book of Venetian Nobiility, and There is also a Golden Book of Venetian Nobility just for the Barbaro family because it is so big and old, abd there is even a newer addition for 2007 too. Stop what you are doing at once. You do not know what you are talking about. The whole article of Barbaro family is coming from the golden book of Nobility often called the Encyclopedia of nobility for that family with all references listed. And I have even personally fact checked what is written in the book to validate it's authenticity, Corvix is wrong and unjustidied.


I am a representative of the Barbaro family for American and European relations who has now become aware that there is a hoax surrounding Vitus Sebastian Barbaro on Wikipedia. I have taken the liberty to blank this page, and I am also here to help with validity.
* Vitus Barbaro was deleted because relevant infoewas included into the Barbaro family. There was no need for a seperate article.


Neither Mr. Barbaro nor the Barbaro family has ever been associated with a group called "The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent" or something known as the "Pugilist Club". We suggest that these topics be removed quickly.
*The whole article is sourced as it appears in the Golden Book. vandalism by Corvix must be reverted. He is deleting without being informed.


We will also be contacting both Fenwick H.S. and Purdue University about this hoax. We do not know how it started, but we suspect that it may be coming from a Fenwick student since Mr. Barbaro has recently updated his alumnus record, or it could even be coming from a disgrunted individual in the family. Mr. Barbaro sometimes gets pranksters like this due to the family's association with Transylvania as well.
::Prove it. BTW, '''''I''''' didn't delete anything in this page. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 02:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, now I have, since I reverted the hoaxer's revandalism of this page. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 02:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


I will also be going to the Fenwick site and blanking that talk page too. Finally, I will look over both the Barbaro family topic and Fenwick High School topic to help Wikipedia confirm validity.
The same user that is meddling with the Barbaro Family page is also relatedly creating a page on something he's calling the Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent. I have found numerous inconsistencies with that article which he attempted to explain away citing unnamed sources, or sources only he claims to have access to. He has edited my personal comments on the discussion page of that article in what appears to me to be an attempt to cover his mistakes. In the discussion page of that article he has referenced pugilism, Amelia Earhart, the Wright Brothers, and a letter by Daniel Russell to a Bro. Chase, a letter which is also cited in his article on the alleged Skull and Crescent Order as being one of their prized artifacts. The citing of this letter was the final straw for me. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but when I found that letter quite amazingly and coincidentally while researching Theta Nu Epsilon on ebay, it became clear that the article on the Sacred Order of the Skull and Crescent was founded mainly, if not wholly, on this individual's fantasies. That letter can still be found on ebay by putting 200101453405, the item number into the ebay search. When I casually conronted the author of the Sacred Order of the Skull and Crescent wikipedia article with this, he initially presented a fantastic notion that perhaps the SOSC members were engaging in the ruse of selling their sacred artifacts to themselves in order to make them look worthless. When I gave the ebay item number, then he quite suddenly and conveniently recalled that oh yes, he just remembered that in his unavailable source it says they reprinted copies of this letter for their members and that this must be one of those ultra rare reprints. The buyer (obviously the author of the Skull and Crescent article) left positive feedback for it. Any dullard can tell an original hand written letter from a copy, if it were a copy negative feedback would have been left. Then upon looking into the publicly available links to items this same person purchased on the online auction site, I found many other fraternity related items as well as Amelia Erhart, Wright Brothers, and pugilism posters! Now I find the author's wikipedia alias is Tiki-Two. Well, that name is almost exactly what the ebay user who purchased this masonic letter uses!


The Barbaro family regrets that this has happened on Wikipedia, and they wish you much continued success in the future and commend you on your dedication.
I do not know what his motives are, but it seems he (perhaps in conjunction with associates) are building a hoax on wikipedia, possibly as members of a fraternity. It is possible that he is building a collection of items that he intends to present and cite in articles as important artifacts of secret societies. As a relative outsider to wikipedia, I don't know what course to take, and really don't have the time to find out. I mainly enjoy reading wikipedia articles, not engaging in what to me is vain online argumentation. I fully expect this individual to delite this post, but hopefully it will get through to someone at wikipedia who knows what to do. Wikipedia should not be used to further some publicity stunt or fraternity hoax.

There is no record anywhere else online of a Vitus Sebastian Barbaro that I can find. There is no record anywhere else online of The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent either.

This won't be the only place I send the above information.
Hyper_individualist@yahoo.com July 5, 19:51 PST

Eveyone just stop! I am Tiki-two, and I am a Barbaro historian and have been buildingup a body of knowledge pertaining to the Barbaro family. Before everyone destroys all vaiid knowledge, please stop removing stuff untill people fully understand. That means both Corvix and Wikipedia. Everyone just chill. let me explaine. {{unsigned|4.142.114.3}}
*So now both 4.142.114.3 and 65.54.98.111[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Pugalist_Club&diff=142793923&oldid=142789912] have claimed to be [[User:Tiki-two]]. Exactly how many identities do you have, Tiki, and why don't you log on and sign your edits. Time for [[WP:ANI]] and a checkuser, methinks. [[User:Deor|Deor]] 03:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

:I would not be surprised if a great many of the IP addresses that have been editing this article are controlled by Tiki-two. But in the absence of any evidence to show this, I will [[WP:AGF]] and assume otherwise. [[User:Terraxos|Terraxos]] 03:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Why does everyone panic so easily- and it is so hard to explain with all of these edit conflicts. first, off I made it very clear that I am a Barbaro historian. And it is very clear that the source you questioned about Golden Book is just a misunderstanding Golen Book is the same thing as Libro d'Oro. Please stop destroying that article. How can you refute what even has a page on Wikipedia?

If you feel you need to flag the page untill matters are resolved than do so but don't destro it. this is a misunderstanding- there is nothing bogus going on here. I will ccontue to explain after this post

== Semi-protected ==

Semi-protected to prevent further revert warring. Tiki-two (and related anons), the ball's in your court to produce reliable sources, but given the state of things at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pugalist Club]] the additional information looks like a blatant hoax. [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan]] - <b><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT></b> 03:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Is not Libro d'Oro a reliable source- would you also like me to find out the ISBN numbers for all the sources on the Barbaro page- you tell me, what will make all of you guys happy. You said Golden book was bogus, then I clarified that it is the same thing as Libro d'Oro. what will make you happy to fell cinfident that the Barbaro artcle is legit- you tell me.

You go and wipe out the whole thing because of some so called bogus source, I prove that the source is not bogus and you still question it. That make sense to you. you don't even give the the chance to explane that "Tiki-one" and "Tiki-two" are society names relevant to the group like "magog" for bones. This collectoron ebay knows that One for Jr. high Priest and two was for senior high priest. big woop. you can go on ebay right now andfine people with id's as bones and magog ans all sort of S&B stuff.

This guy is into the group like I am, and I'm into it solely because the head is a Barbaro. What is so strange about that?

The guy above said the ball is in my court to provide justification. I can give you every ISBN number to the soutces on that page. but you have to give me th echance to post. I have it in my research records right now, and can do it right now if you give me the chance. This is all a misunderstanding that went wrong.

Listen, every corcern that has been listed above- I can answer and explain, but every time I start there is an edit conflict, or someone else that jumps in, now we have the guy who is supicious from the SOSC article in there too, and some other person from PC jumped in and it's all over the place. And i lost my cool initially becuase of all of this, and maybee it is simply this crappy edit conflict sysrtem that Wikipedia has that is getting everyone testi. I don't even know where to start, but first to say that there is nothing bogus going on with anything that I have done, and lets begin by restoring the great body of knowlege of Barbaro family first, becuse to me, that is more important than any stupid college society anyway. Let me big there first.

I can provide you with every ISBN number for every source listed on the Barbaro page. I can do that immediately as well. If you like the golden book referenced in be spelled out in italian rather than english, it's no problem too, but english is acceptable- and more understandable to the Wikipedia audience. but I can Not provide any ISBN nubers to the sources if you keep reoving it. Please leave it.

OK, I brought the page back up as before. now, please leave so I can look at the sources on that page and check my records. I will have all ISBN's posted shortly- thank you for your concern Tiki-two

==Wikipedia formatting and style==
Please note several edits ending - 00:50, 5 July 2007 - by IP# 65.54.154.153. I attempted to put this article into a more acceptable Wiki format, but was promptly reverted by (from the info above) the original editor. Be aware that Wikipedia working standards for any article require that all material should be original unless shown as a direct quote and should not be under copyright. The format of the article is not dependent on any source or any sequence borrowed from a source, but should comply with Wikipedia standards. As content is under dispute and the article protected, I will not revert. But I will assert that the current article content and format due not meet minimum Wikipedia style and standards. Once content issues are resolved, I would urge a major cleanup.
[[User:65.54.155.36|65.54.155.36]] 05:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

*Dear editor,

*Please restore the Barbaro family article to it's former status. What has begun as a misunderstanding about Golden Book also being the same thing as Libro D'Oro has resulted in much damage on Wikipdedia. The previous page for Barbaro family had sources that are completely verifiable by ISBN numbers. This isn't right, and this damage was primarily caused by volunteers of Wikipedia that focus on secret college societies, and have it in there mind that there is some hoax going on here. A great shame, indeed. So much knowledge has been lost on this Barbaro page. Also one of Fenwick High School's in Oak Park's most illustious Alumni have also been removed from that page's "Noted Alumni" list. He does not deserve that. I commend Wikipedia in their desire to stop bogus knowledge, but sometimes it goes too far with more damage than good.


Corvus has destroyed this page. Look at all of these inaccuracies because of what he has done:

*The family is called "The Eternal Family" not eternal that has been destroyed.

*The family has two major divisions, one considered royal and one not, and one branch now extinct. Where is any of that referenced now.

*Where is the silk branch

*Where are the famous nicknames

*Where are the important contributions to history.

*Where is the Order of the Dragon

*Where is Villa Barbaro- arguably there most important and influential piece of architecture in Western civilization.etc.etc.etc.

I am just so disgusted with all of this. This article was butchered by someone that does not know the first thing about anything that he destroyed. The article as it was before he got there was PERFECT and ACCURATE as inspired from the encyclopedia of nobility with all sources listed and all ISBN numbers attainable. Just absolutely disgusting what has happened, and Vitus Barbaro that is a very private man, does not deserve to be discredited. Corvus could of contacted Fenwick very easily by sending an email to his High School's Alumni director that would have verified everything as true and accurate. Everything that Corvus has done in relation to this and other related articles was uncalled for, unchecked, and based on his ignorance that he did not understand that Golden Book is the same thing as Libro d'Oro. and you can white wash all of this over, but this nonsense began from panic, poor communication, his conspiracy mindset, and Wikipedia's poor edit conflict format when trying to post explanations. I can not express how disgusted I am with all of this. It is just outrageous. Your team out there believe that the answer to all knowledge is a google search away- if being a true historian was only so simple.

[[Marchesi of San Giorgio]] in Wikiepedia that uses the source "unpublished research papers" is perfectly acceptable, but The Golden Book that Wikipedia even has an article on is completely suspect. Just outrageous!

So much damage has occured with [[The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent]] as well, after everyone got into a panic over that site. I tried to explain to the fellow that wanted to post pictures from EBAY onto the SOSC page, that he should first give me a chance to look into it before doing so, becuase he labled all the ebay info right away for people to be able to do that. I removed that info of his statement for protection from people wanting to post, so I could check both sources first, my Debris source and the Ebay site. I had to check the Debris source because it is not like I have the letter sitting in front of my face 24/7. When I checked ebay, it was the letter, but in comparison to the letter in the Debris it was without question different. The Debris letter shows lined paper, two signatures, yellow paper not white, and what is clearly a more stronger darker printed image at the top. Without any doubt that letter was a 1992 copy which was also verified when I read portions about the exhibition again, like I have every detail about the exhibition memorized and it is so strange for me to go back and refresh my knowledge. When knowledge was verified, I replaced everything the gentleman wrote and then some and cited the article with the new ebay info, the proper way to go about it. I also removed some things the man said that may have pointed to forceablely to who the head was, I wanted to also look into that before naming him- shoot me for being cautious and responsible. Moreover, no where on the ebay's listing does it ever say it was a genuine antique letter vs. a replica- and it sold for $9.99. I think true antique collectors know real things from copies and bid accordingly. Any true antique would have gone for higher. Then everyone got into a stink about Tiki-two and Tiki-one, but , Tiki, which is a mystical god (like that would be unappropriate for this group that focuses on mysticism) was used like Bones using Magog-know one asked that. One was for junior high priest and two was for senior high priest- and that ebay guy that was using it didn't even do it right when I checked. He is labled as Tiki-1 not Tiki-one. Moreover, that 1992 letter and that guy out there intersted in SOSC stuff is great proof of this group's importance and interest by many people. How many people are there on ebay right now that have Bones inspired ID's and collecting similar Bone's memorabilia- but I guess that is a conspiracy. You just think SOSC is some unheard of thing, but not to people in the midwest or Purdue and not to Purdue's current honor society that still uses Skull and Crescent as their name (go ahead and google that point), and not to TNE Alpha that still honors the SOSC group of Purdue at Wesleyan in their records even though the two groups don't even like each other (go ahead and check TNE page and the official website for chpater list #29- Purdue split -off of Skull and Cresent). So what we also end up with in all of this panic has also destroyed the article of the Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent which was existing perfectly fine with a constructive and healthy talk page based on an article that was perfectly sourced. Then people say what does The Golden Book have to do with secret societies- well if you checked, you would see that Vitus has his school's: Fenwick, Purdue etc, his clubs like SOSC all listed in it - a very relevant source I would say. It even says he was Senior class vice-pres in High School, Chairman of the Newpaper (Wick). Go ahead and go into Fenwick's webpage and find The alumni director Debbie Thompson and email her say, "I understand that there was a 1991 student of Fenwick that is now listed in the encylopedia of nobility as being an alumni- At Fenwick he was called Vito Albergo, but since he has been invested with his noble and royal names of Barbaro and Grand Prince. It says here that this Barbaro fellow was senior class vice -pres and is believe he went on to Purdue as well- can this be verified" You will get a big fat yes! Because eveything on both Fenwick, Barbaro family, and The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent was 100% accurrate with all sources give.

If Wikipedia has any honor it will return what was valid and true and took a lot of hardwork to create, research, fact check, and source.

* Sir, this is just pathetic. Why can't you just admit to having been caught in some sort of hoax? You are going to such great lengths here to try and make excuses while it is clear to all wikipedia veterans that you are simply a hoaxer. The letter you are referencing discredits you, which is why you bastardized the item number to a pair of lady's shoes. Come on Tiki-1 of Ebay, Tiki-Two of wikipedia. We see you. You have been utterly exposed.--[[User:76.83.249.234|76.83.249.234]] 08:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I have changed nothing- I am the one that put the source on the site for people to check for themselves. What the hell are you talking about- and what control do I have over Ebay to change anything. You are the one that is trying to gloss over that you did not fact check that the Golden Book is the same thing as [[Libro d'Oro]]

You can try all you want ,Corvus, by hiding out by not posting your ID, because you know you made a mistake, you began to edit before checking things because all of you secret society guys think eveything is s hoax. And I guess all that info on Barbaro was a hoax too, right- just like Palazzo Barbaro Curtis that was once written and now is gone; Umm, why don't you google that and tell me if the info that is now removed doesn't pop up as valid, as well as eveything else I told you to do. Please, you will go out of your way to cover up an gloss over the most obvious thing that started this all- and nothing more- you did not fact check Golden Book. And say what ever you want- it is listed right up there at the top of this page for all to see, unless you try to edit it out, and I quote, "There are no such books- according to google" which made you go off on an editing spree with anthing that had that source it. That is the truth!

Revision as of 11:25, 6 July 2007


Dear Wikipedia:

I am a representative of the Barbaro family for American and European relations who has now become aware that there is a hoax surrounding Vitus Sebastian Barbaro on Wikipedia. I have taken the liberty to blank this page, and I am also here to help with validity.

Neither Mr. Barbaro nor the Barbaro family has ever been associated with a group called "The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent" or something known as the "Pugilist Club". We suggest that these topics be removed quickly.

We will also be contacting both Fenwick H.S. and Purdue University about this hoax. We do not know how it started, but we suspect that it may be coming from a Fenwick student since Mr. Barbaro has recently updated his alumnus record, or it could even be coming from a disgrunted individual in the family. Mr. Barbaro sometimes gets pranksters like this due to the family's association with Transylvania as well.

I will also be going to the Fenwick site and blanking that talk page too. Finally, I will look over both the Barbaro family topic and Fenwick High School topic to help Wikipedia confirm validity.

The Barbaro family regrets that this has happened on Wikipedia, and they wish you much continued success in the future and commend you on your dedication.

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