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Jap

perhaps there should be an etymology and history section, in the same manner as the page on the word nigger ?

I don't think Jap is an abbreviation which some people consider to be offensive, it is primarily a racist slur which has its origins in an abbreviation. Nowadays it is used almost exclusively as a racist slur.

The page on the word nigger starts by saying it is a racist slur, then moves onto an etymology section.

I may edit this page in the future, to make it the same format as the nigger page, please contact me if you think they should not share the same format or if you have any other suggestions regarding the jap pageSennen goroshi 03:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

It should have a usage section, but the etymology is obvious- it's short for "Japanese". The nigger article starts by defining the word as a "pejorative term used to refer to dark-skinned people, mostly those of African ancestry", then goes on to say the connotations have been negative for centuries. That is different with "jap", which is, as you say, primarily an ethnic slur today, but has not always been used as one. In World War II it was still largely an abreviation used in English-speaking newspapers, and before that, it wasn't disparaging at all. I also think "jap" is not considered nearly as offensive as "nigger", but more on the lines of spic or honky. The page could use some expanding, and the nigger article is probably the most apt model to follow.--Cúchullain ^t/c 06:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I see your point. I also think that nigger was once an acceptable term in some countries, the term nigger brown was used without causing offence at one time. I guess it depends where you come from, jap is pretty offensive to me (living in Japan) and in Japan nigger isnt really used to offend people at all.

It might be nice if there were some verifiable sources regarding how offensive certain racial slurs are, I know there is one for obscene words but this doesnt concentrate on racial slurs.Sennen goroshi 14:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice to have some additional sources, but I don't personally have any to provide. I don't know if there's a way to rank ethnic slurs by level of offensiveness, but "nigger" is widely considered one of the most offensive words in the English language, worse than other ethnic slurs and even curse words (in most contexts). But as the king of English ethnic slurs, its article is the best model to follow to expand on other articles on slurs.--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I am more than willing to be educated on the meaning of the word race, I thought it came down to if there were visible differences for a group of people (perhaps Im over-simplyfying that) but then again, Im also not 100% if there are differences between say Japanese and Korean people. first of all, is my understanding of the word race, correct? secondly, are there any differences between Japanese and Korean/Chinese? Perhaps if Japanese are not a race, then ethnic slur would be better? I won't bother changing that page again, until I make sure I'm using the correct term, or even if a there is a term that applies in this case.Sennen goroshi 03:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a matter of semantics - I'm going by the dictionary definition of race, which says that it's a social construct based on a number of characteristics and background. Ethnicity, by contrast, is a group of people who identify with each other culturally, etc. Race is much broader and more abstract, while ethnicity is narrower and much easier to define. The Japanese are not a "race" (they would be grouped with other East Asian peoples by those who orginally defined the racial categories), but they are an ethnic group. Hence, "ethnic slur" is the correct way to describe "jap". I'm not the person to ask if there are differences between the Japanese and Koreans, I don't think there'd be much genetic difference, but they do have different languages and customs, and the "Chinese" are neither a race nor a single ethnic group, but rather a nation made out of many different ethnic groups, much like other large countries like the US.--Cúchullain ^t/c 07:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Sorry! I had am emotional reaction. That is the only time I have reverted a page in 27,000+ edits on Wikipedia, other than removing unquestioned vandalism or self-reverting because of a mistake. I was just very hurt that you removed the names, since other names are on there with fewer edits. I read the rules carefully on the page before I added the names. There was no mention of an edit limit. But I have realized for a long time that things are arbitrary here. It is your decision to allow other editors to be listed with fewer edits and not mine. So be it. It is your page. Regards, --Mattisse 16:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, since I see everyone else is adding back names that break your rule, I will do the same tomorrow. I am sure you want to avoid such an appearance of undue prejudice on your part against me and will support me on this. Regards, --Mattisse 17:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not my decision, it's everyone's, I just happen to have worked on the page the most. I repeat, the 1,000 edits "rule" is emphatically not mine, it was around before my time. It's just an arbitrary standard to make sure the list doesn't become far too long and full of only minor contributors. As for "undue prejudice", I really don't care about appearances here, I just remove names when I see them if they have under 1000 edits, or were banned, or have returned, etc., and every once in a while me or someone else goes through and weeds names out more thoroughly. I don't go out of my way to enforce "code" here, I could be editing articles.

You obviously don't agree with the rule, per your original additions and your edit summaries. Why don't we discuss on the talk page over there what to do now and in the future?--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I object to your selective inforcement

If there is a rule, then enforce it for everyone. For some reason you removed my entries while allowing others to be added before and after mine that had less that 1000 edits. --Mattisse 21:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Look, Mattisse, there's nothing "selective" about my enforcement on this, and I am not the lone enforcer. It has nothing to do with you, I just happened to notice after you added them that they had less than 1000, I just missed the others (and haven't had time to check on all the ones you pointed out). I'll get to the others when I have time, but right now I'm going to get back to editing articles. But come on, if you have a real problem with the rule, why don't you bring it up over there? If not, I assure you I'll deal with it when I can, but it won't be right now.--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't care one way or another about the 1,000 edit rule as now I see the list is sterile and not meaningful. I object to your selective enforcement because I was given a revert warning for removing the less than 1,000. Then the person added his less than 1,000 and I could do nothing. Thus you encourage bullying by your selective enforcement. It is that sort of ugliness that I do not want to participate in. I will simply get that page off my watchlist. I certainly do not want to engage in a talk page discussion with people of that mentality. I have never gotten a revert warning before. --Mattisse 22:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Like I said, I'll get to it when I get to it, but I'm not taking any more time away from editing articles right now. I really am sorry you've been so upset by this, the only reason I edit the page is as a memorial to those who were once an important part of the community but are not any longer. I edit it the way I do because of consensus gathered from the talk page, the AfD, from the others who have maintained the page (some of whom sadly are no longer editing themselves). I didn't have anything to do with giving you the warning, but you were apparently editing out of resentment, and for my part I did try to apologize and explain myself to you. I wish you would reconsider unwatching the page, there is much work to be done, and fewer and fewer people interested in doing it.--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not surprised fewer and fewer people are interested in the page. You certainly turned me off to it. I would suggest that if you want people to be interested in the page, treat their contributions with value. Anyone who adds to that page does so for a reason. Don't treat them as you treated me and don't support bullying on the page as you do now. The page is off my watchlist and this converstion is at an end. --Mattisse 03:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't treat you any way at all, except to revert your first addition, and then attempt to explain why. Nor did I "support bullying" by not jumping up and editing as fast as you would have liked, I have other things to do, on and off Wikipedia. I suggest you not take things quite so personally, particularly if you're not going to discuss it on the dedicated talk page But your right, this conversation is over.--Cúchullain ^t/c 03:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

re: UNF

Thanks, Cúchullain; I'm quite partial to it. :) María (críticame) 12:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania in Atlanta

We've edited the same articles before, and I saw you post on Maria's talk page, so I figured I should drop this note here too. Me and a few other people, we're trying to get next year's Wikimania to Atlanta, and we're asking people if they can help, whether it be in online capacities or actually to help with preparation, setup and staffing next summer in Atlanta. Whatever you can do is appreciated. If you can do something, go to "Southeast team" about halfway down the page, click the link, and sign your name to "outside Atlanta." Here's the generic template I've been dropping on people's pages, which may or may not apply to you personally (it was originally geared toward Georgia contributors). Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 23:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I noticed your involvement on U.S. South-related articles, categories and WikiProjects, and I wanted to let you know about a bid we're formulating to get next year's Wikimania held in Atlanta! If you would like to help, be sure to sign your name to the "In Atlanta" section of the Southeast team portion of the bid if you're in town, or to the "Outside Atlanta" section if you still want to help but don't live in the city or the suburbs. If you would like to contribute more, please write on my talk page, the talk page of the bid, or join us at the #wikimania-atlanta IRC chat on freenode.org. Have a great day!

P.S. While this is a template for maximum efficiency, I would appreciate a note on my talk page so I know you got the message, and what you think. This is time-sensitive, so your urgent cooperation is appreciated. :)

Should we delete this list

Some people are selective they would like to see only lists of their own domination, what do u think does this list warrant deletion or should we let it stay?[1]--יודל 13:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

TilaTequla HELP!

So i tried to update the ref tags with more info like you requested on the discussion page and somehow it got all messed up in the ref list at the bottom of the page.... uhh what the hell happened??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyRob926 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you just forgot a </ref>. No big deal, I've done that about a million times. However, it looks like the spam filter is blocking the Myspace blog now, preventing me from fixing it. I'll see what I can do.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey thanks a lot! the spam filter is weird though, sometimes it lets myspace links go by other times it blocks them, its kind of random CrazyRob926 22:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Jacksonville, Florida

Jacksonville, Florida has received some heavy editing recently. Would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll take a look.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

SGGK

Sir Gawain is now up for GA status. Wrad 03:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

But....

You ain't the boss here. ANd i have just as much right to edit here as you do. Since when do you get the high and mighty desire to decide what's right and wrong around here? I'm a huge James Gunn fan. So I'm not out to harm the guy. But I'm a bigger wikipedia fan. Hence, I looked into your little edit war. It seems this is all about some quote. Well... according to wiki, a direct quote is preferred over your intrepretations of the quote. Your intrepretation is not NPOV. But a quote is NPOV. So stop trying to decide what's right or wrong. A sourced quote is superior to your opinion about it. If you don't like it, then find a quote that counters it. Otherwise, it's stays. K?